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17 Nov 2018 18:33:38
Tor: nylander zaitsev hainsey marincin
Car: pesce slavin fleury 7th


Tor: gauthier gardiner ennis
Edm: nuge 7th

Leafs lines

Nuge matthews kap
Hyman tavares marner
johnsson kadri brown
Marleau lindholm leivo

Reilly slavin
Dermott pesce
Borgman ozhi

Andersen sparks

I am not sure the money works but I imagine it is close. and people are probably concerned about carolinas D set up and why they wouldn't do this. Well all we stripped was the right side so their right side now looks like

Faulk zaitsev hainsey

Which isn't spectacular but they also got the player they badly want.


1.) 17 Nov 2018 21:47:37
Randy! Where you been hiding? The gym is pretty slow until New Year. Need you to post more stuff to give me something to do while I should be working.

Love your trades. I always do. There’s not enough good things to say about all those players you suggest. Slavin and Pesce are fantastic. Signed long term to very reasonable contracts. Fleaury is a monster and will be cheap to re-sign. Not sure Carolina wants to blow up their defense. But if they took this trade, Leafs oils instantly have one of the best, if not the best, defense in the league.

Edmonton is looking for puck moving offensive defenseman. Gardiner fits that need very well. RNH signed $6M a year. I don’t know if we could afford him after making the Carolina deal. Too much number crunching for me to try make right now. I think RNH can play center too can he not? If that’s the case it really gives us flexibility and depth on the forward group. I think RNH would have breakout season playing for us too. We could do worse than pursue RNH, that’s for sure.

Love both these trades. Looking at your lineups, you realize just how much better they really do make the team. Easily the best forward group, and after the trades here, would have the best defense crew too.

Keep ‘em coming Randy. We need more guys like you on the site to help keep discussion flowing.

2.) 17 Nov 2018 23:49:16
After Reviewing Randy's proposals including Hopkins and if

Matthews is signed at $11.5 MM
Marner at $8.5 MM
Kapanen at a bridge at $3 MM for 2 years
Johnssn at a bridge at $1.5 MM for 2 years.

Marleau must be traded

Lindholm at 1.8 MM and Leivo and Moore are signed at 1 MM for Leivo and 700 MM

Than Sandin and Lilygren should really be the 3rd Defense, with
Rosen and Holl as the extra two.

Engvall or Grundstrom becomes the spare forward, totaling $2.6 MM for the 3.

The Team costs no more than $81 MM with the use of the LTIR by using Lilygren and Sandin, the team's salart will be 80.5 MM.

3.) 18 Nov 2018 01:16:40
In the Carolina deal I would change Fluery to Gauthier.

In the Edmonton deal Gauthier and Ennis are throw ins and don't need to be in the deal. That makes the deal Nuge for Gardiner. I don't think Chiarelli will make that deal a 2nd time even if you masquerade it as a 3 for 1.

4.) 17 Nov 2018 23:25:59
I like these trades on the leafs end. Very amazing. the problem is the whole Hainsey effect. that may be only stumbling block on this deal. other than that if all teams say yes then the leafs look great for years

Is it really this easy and if so Dubas please read.

5.) 18 Nov 2018 03:27:41
Thanks for the love guys, i wanted to put somerhing together that may work we could work a pick into the carolina trade to make taking hainsey a little more doable.

6.) 18 Nov 2018 05:13:52
If you bridge Matthews for 2 years at $ 8 MM and Marner at $ 6MM . Than you can keep Marleau for the last season as a 3rd LW.

7.) 18 Nov 2018 07:42:59
Dump marleau then? i'd rather have them long term marleau is not worth what he's being paid you could probably convince him to take a trade with the promise of a position with the organization after he retires if he wants.



16 Oct 2018 19:07:41
This one is for you lesfsgm so I make the cut next time atleast as an honourable mention.


Marleau matthews kap
Hyman tavares marner
Lindholm kadri brown
Johnsson goat leivo

Reilly pesce
Dermott holl
Rosen/borgman ozhi/benning
Ozhi benning.


Edm: Benning 2019 1st not lottery protected. 2019 3rd or mid level prospect.
TOR: gardiner zaitsev.

Car: Pesce and a 7th
TOR: Tor 1st Edm 1st hainsey and a prospect if needed like timasohov

Hainsey is just a cap dump so we don't have to carry him.

Tor: marincin
Anybody: whatever we can get a 6th a 7 th. A bag of pucks.

When nylander comes back waive ennis and lines are

Top 3 are the same let nylander center the fourth line for a bit. Make him prove he deserves the kind of money that can carry a line since that's what he is asking for.

So to clarify leafs playoff line up

Marleau matthews kap
Hyman tavares marner
Leivo kadri brown
Johnson nylander lindholm

Reilly pesce
Dermott holl
Borman benning


Its a bit of a different proposal but we don't subtract from our potent offense we lose all the defense we want to lose. And add some pieces

we lose
2019 first

We gain benning
2019 3rd (or prospect)
2019 7th
And the reason for doing it all Pesce

Carolina may not agree because they are in a playoff spot but that not lottery protected is a huge incentive.



1.) 16 Oct 2018 19:26:41
Oh we also gain wHtever we get for maricin and lose marincin.

2.) 16 Oct 2018 19:47:10
I think your giving up way to much just to get Pesce, Edmonton will NOT give up their first, and even if they did that would be all that is needed to get Pesce.

3.) 16 Oct 2018 20:07:01
Sorry Randy. I knew I would forget at least somebody. You get to be the enforcer? Lol

Do we really want to lose Zaitsev? I don’t think he’s all that bad really.

The big question in all this is Edmonton’s first. If it’s a lottery pick, could be very valuable. They may not want to trade that pick off. of course, we are giving them an entire second line defense, so could happen.

I think Carolina would be glad to take that trade.

I like your lineups. Pesce is a great player. Not sure how I feel about Benning. He’s got to be better than Hainsey though.

I always like your trades. Well thought out and makes sense. If Leafs could maybe pull off a couple moves like this then it could work. Weleave forward group intact and revamp the defense. Exactly what everyone says needs to happen.

4.) 16 Oct 2018 20:48:01
I'd make a small switch on the lineup. Tavares has been great playing with marner. But kadri has been suffering. What if the lines looked more like

Marleau Matthew's kapanen
Hyman Tavares nylander
Lindholm kadri marner
Leivo gauthier brown

This hopefully wakes up Madrid funk, tavares loses a super high end winger and gets a good winger. It seems a bit more balanced to have 3 lines that look kikenthey can score at will.

5.) 16 Oct 2018 23:07:21
we are giving up a fair bit for pesce but we are Lso getting them to take hainsey.

@leafs gm
I thinkI hate zaitsev more than gardiner. He reminds me of a non offensive gardiner look at that pass he gave to matthews leading to kchucks goal. I think another team would look at those 2 though and think they can do something with them.

@hrenklin if you want to tweak the lines i posted I get it making Nylander prove himself isn't a popular idea. But i would keep the top 2 lines then and revamp the bottom 6 to
Johnsson kadri nylander
Leivo lindholm brown.

But my concern is nylander's defensive game playing on our "shut down" centres wing.

6.) 17 Oct 2018 11:17:42
You crack me up Randy. That comment about how much you hate Zaitsev made me laugh and I spit potato chips on my phone. Now it’s all greasy. Kinda like Nylander’s pretty boy hair.

I hated No Skill Todd Gill with a passion. And I didn’t think I would ever hate another defenseman like him again until Gardiner came along. So I know how you feel about Zaitsev. Lol. He does hit and block shots though, and covers for Giveaway when he’s up ice thinking he’s a forward. He’s also inexpensive. If we trade him, next year Rielly will be the only player on the team making more than $1M. We would have at least three guys on ELC, plus a couple plugs. We actually kinda need Zaitsev until Liljegren and Sandin develop.



31 Aug 2018 17:29:26
Leafs: Gardiner zaitsev 19 1st 20 1st mac

St Louis: parayko 19 2nd 20 7th

We can add a prospect if needed.

Line up
Marleau Matthews marner
Hyman Tavares nylander
Johnson Madrid kappi

Ennis/Leivo lindholm/jooris brown

Reilly parayko
Dermot Carrick
Borgman/rosen/sbisa hainsey
Freddie sparks


1.) 31 Aug 2018 20:53:22
St. Louis won't want Zaitsev.
They are good with RHD even without Parayko
They need LHD so Gardiner is a lock in this deal

Due to Gardiner being an upcoming UFA Toronto has to make up for that
St. Louis is very tight to cap so an inexpensive F and prospect and pick gets this deal done

Gardiner, Leivo, Bracco and 3rd rounder for Parayko.

2.) 31 Aug 2018 21:19:57
If STL takes that, grab it and run!

3.) 01 Sep 2018 01:08:39

That’s a big offer you are making here. St. Louis would have to seriously consider it. It’s an entire second line of defence and two 1st round picks for Parayko. I don’t like the thought of giving up the two firsts, but the thought of disrupting the roster much further is unsettling as well. I think if St. Louis would entertain this offer, it’s a pretty reasonable one. I would suggest bringing Liljegren up to play beside Dermottt. He’s got to be better than Carrick.

4.) 01 Sep 2018 23:16:14
Leafs gm I am giving up 2 first but remember I'm also getting 2 picks back one being a second and one be g a late round pick because you never know if you pull a lottery ticket.



10 Jul 2018 20:04:52
3 way trade ottawa toronto dallas

Dallas gets karlson

Ottawa gets brown dallas 2019 1st 2020 1st and radulov. Toronto 4th round pick 2019

Leafs get spezza (cap dump) honka dallas 5th round pick ottawa 6th round pick

Leafs trade gardiner and mac to edmonton for first round pick 2019 unless edmonton doesn't make the playoffs then becomes 2020 and 2019 3rd round pick. Mac could also be sold seperate for anything.

Zaitsev for a pick.

Toronto lines
Marleau matthews nylander
Hyman tavares marner
Johnsson kadri kapanen
Leivo spezza lindholm (¥r whoever he is)

Ennis and joris press box or fistacuffs with leivo for 4th line.

Reilly honka
Dermott carrick
Hainsey holl


Honka may not be ready for top line duties if not holl gets bumped down and you vring up one of rosen or borgman and put hainsey back with reilly


1.) 10 Jul 2018 21:20:14
I’m going to bypass the trade, which looks to me like Dallas is the big loser in, and focus instead on the defense.

I would keep Gardiner in this scenario and keep Hainsey 1RHD for now. Honka is definitely not ready for 1RHD. He’s a good prospect, though a little undersized for my liking, and at 22 years of age, is starting to look like he may never be more than depth defenseman.

That whole right side of the defense here looks suspect. None of those guys have played a full season. I couldn’t possibly imagine Leafs fielding a defense like that. Hainsey has more NHL games played than all those guys put together, and would have to remain on top pairing with Reilly until another option became available.



24 Jun 2018 18:53:26
So let's say the leafs sign tavares and do minor trades to get sparks in the lineup. 4th line centre is a ?

Mac and martin to anybody for a pick hopefully a 4th


Hyman matthews nylander
Marleau tavares marner
Johnsson kadri kapanen
Leivo ? Brown

Reily hainsey
Gardiner zaitsev
Dermott carrick


The defense still looks terrible you could try shifting holl or lily up but you still don't have a great top rd we could try moving reilly over to the right using our depth at left D by bringing up borgman and rosen but do we really think gardiner or dermott can handle top pairing competition?

The forward group though looks like the deepest in the league. 4 c options bozak komorov moore nash lindholm. Anyone of these guys would make our 4th unit still quite dangerous leivo just has to get good defensively.


1.) 24 Jun 2018 22:24:47
If the Leafs have Matthews, Tavares and Kadri down the middle they don't need a 4th like center haha

Oh man would that be something. It's a long shot but here's to hoping.

2.) 25 Jun 2018 03:23:06
I don’t think our defense is as terrible as you think. At 230 goals against, we finished 12th lowest in the league, and was good enough to finish with the seventh best record in the league. Gardiner and Reilly each had 52 points, and combined, our top four defensemen were a +25. If you add Dermott, that number jumps to +41. Reilly was the only defenseman in the team to finish on the wrong side of +/ - with a -4.

Sure it’s fun to kick Gardiner when he’s down and blame him for all Leafs troubles and struggles, but SmileyReilly is right when he says Gardiner is a near elite offensive defenseman. Our biggest need is a replacement for Hainsey on top RHD, and even that isn’t an emergency.

If Leafs added Tavares, the extra offensive punch would be enough to offset any deficiencies on the back end. With three credible scoring lines, the opposing team would be forced to take a different approach to how they play the Leafs, and would need to play fall back defense more, and this would take some of the pressure of our own back end.

3.) 25 Jun 2018 03:25:54
I really don’t think McBackup or Martin will land you anywhere near a 4th. Martin especially has negative value. We couldn’t dump that contract if we gave him away.

4.) 25 Jun 2018 18:46:21
Our defence can score but they aren't great at defending.




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18 Nov 2018 07:44:29
I like it, that unprotected first is what gets me.




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18 Nov 2018 07:42:59
Dump marleau then? i'd rather have them long term marleau is not worth what he's being paid you could probably convince him to take a trade with the promise of a position with the organization after he retires if he wants.




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18 Nov 2018 03:27:41
Thanks for the love guys, i wanted to put somerhing together that may work we could work a pick into the carolina trade to make taking hainsey a little more doable.




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27 Oct 2018 08:50:18
Dukp zaitsev for a bag of pucks he's worse for giveaways than giveaway doesn't know what to do on a 2 on 1 the guy might aswell be some random peewee.




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19 Oct 2018 07:10:12
I think rathervthan car adding a pick lower the quality of our peospect i say timashoc instead of beacco.





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