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31 Aug 2018 17:29:26
Leafs: Gardiner zaitsev 19 1st 20 1st mac

St Louis: parayko 19 2nd 20 7th

We can add a prospect if needed.

Line up
Marleau Matthews marner
Hyman Tavares nylander
Johnson Madrid kappi

Ennis/Leivo lindholm/jooris brown

Reilly parayko
Dermot Carrick
Borgman/rosen/sbisa hainsey
Freddie sparks

Randy

1.) 31 Aug 2018 20:53:22
St. Louis won't want Zaitsev.
They are good with RHD even without Parayko
They need LHD so Gardiner is a lock in this deal

Due to Gardiner being an upcoming UFA Toronto has to make up for that
St. Louis is very tight to cap so an inexpensive F and prospect and pick gets this deal done

Gardiner, Leivo, Bracco and 3rd rounder for Parayko.


2.) 31 Aug 2018 21:19:57
If STL takes that, grab it and run!


3.) 01 Sep 2018 01:08:39
@Randy

That’s a big offer you are making here. St. Louis would have to seriously consider it. It’s an entire second line of defence and two 1st round picks for Parayko. I don’t like the thought of giving up the two firsts, but the thought of disrupting the roster much further is unsettling as well. I think if St. Louis would entertain this offer, it’s a pretty reasonable one. I would suggest bringing Liljegren up to play beside Dermottt. He’s got to be better than Carrick.


4.) 01 Sep 2018 23:16:14
Leafs gm I am giving up 2 first but remember I'm also getting 2 picks back one being a second and one be g a late round pick because you never know if you pull a lottery ticket.


 

 

10 Jul 2018 20:04:52
3 way trade ottawa toronto dallas

Dallas gets karlson

Ottawa gets brown dallas 2019 1st 2020 1st and radulov. Toronto 4th round pick 2019

Leafs get spezza (cap dump) honka dallas 5th round pick ottawa 6th round pick

Leafs trade gardiner and mac to edmonton for first round pick 2019 unless edmonton doesn't make the playoffs then becomes 2020 and 2019 3rd round pick. Mac could also be sold seperate for anything.

Zaitsev for a pick.

Toronto lines
Marleau matthews nylander
Hyman tavares marner
Johnsson kadri kapanen
Leivo spezza lindholm (¥r whoever he is)

Ennis and joris press box or fistacuffs with leivo for 4th line.

Reilly honka
Dermott carrick
Hainsey holl

Freddie
Sparks

Honka may not be ready for top line duties if not holl gets bumped down and you vring up one of rosen or borgman and put hainsey back with reilly

Randy

1.) 10 Jul 2018 21:20:14
I’m going to bypass the trade, which looks to me like Dallas is the big loser in, and focus instead on the defense.

I would keep Gardiner in this scenario and keep Hainsey 1RHD for now. Honka is definitely not ready for 1RHD. He’s a good prospect, though a little undersized for my liking, and at 22 years of age, is starting to look like he may never be more than depth defenseman.

That whole right side of the defense here looks suspect. None of those guys have played a full season. I couldn’t possibly imagine Leafs fielding a defense like that. Hainsey has more NHL games played than all those guys put together, and would have to remain on top pairing with Reilly until another option became available.


 

 

24 Jun 2018 18:53:26
So let's say the leafs sign tavares and do minor trades to get sparks in the lineup. 4th line centre is a ?

Mac and martin to anybody for a pick hopefully a 4th

Lines

Hyman matthews nylander
Marleau tavares marner
Johnsson kadri kapanen
Leivo ? Brown

Reily hainsey
Gardiner zaitsev
Dermott carrick
Ozhig

Andersen
Sparks.

The defense still looks terrible you could try shifting holl or lily up but you still don't have a great top rd we could try moving reilly over to the right using our depth at left D by bringing up borgman and rosen but do we really think gardiner or dermott can handle top pairing competition?

The forward group though looks like the deepest in the league. 4 c options bozak komorov moore nash lindholm. Anyone of these guys would make our 4th unit still quite dangerous leivo just has to get good defensively.

Randy

1.) 24 Jun 2018 22:24:47
If the Leafs have Matthews, Tavares and Kadri down the middle they don't need a 4th like center haha

Oh man would that be something. It's a long shot but here's to hoping.


2.) 25 Jun 2018 03:23:06
I don’t think our defense is as terrible as you think. At 230 goals against, we finished 12th lowest in the league, and was good enough to finish with the seventh best record in the league. Gardiner and Reilly each had 52 points, and combined, our top four defensemen were a +25. If you add Dermott, that number jumps to +41. Reilly was the only defenseman in the team to finish on the wrong side of +/ - with a -4.

Sure it’s fun to kick Gardiner when he’s down and blame him for all Leafs troubles and struggles, but SmileyReilly is right when he says Gardiner is a near elite offensive defenseman. Our biggest need is a replacement for Hainsey on top RHD, and even that isn’t an emergency.

If Leafs added Tavares, the extra offensive punch would be enough to offset any deficiencies on the back end. With three credible scoring lines, the opposing team would be forced to take a different approach to how they play the Leafs, and would need to play fall back defense more, and this would take some of the pressure of our own back end.


3.) 25 Jun 2018 03:25:54
I really don’t think McBackup or Martin will land you anywhere near a 4th. Martin especially has negative value. We couldn’t dump that contract if we gave him away.


4.) 25 Jun 2018 18:46:21
Our defence can score but they aren't great at defending.


 

 

17 Jun 2018 11:33:27
A few trade ideas

Nylander gardiner zaitsev

Larsson 10th over all 2019 first.




Leafs gardiner 2018 19 and 20 1st round picks

St louis parayko and a 2nd



Matthews

Arizonas next 6 first round picks

Randy

1.) 17 Jun 2018 14:45:05
All of these trades benefit the other team
You are trading Nylander and our rod 4D line for someone who will be worse then Nylander and a pick that we don’t even know will be good
Trading Matthews is stupid and off the table (unless it’s for Mcdavid or something)
Parayko is not that much better then Gardiner and you want to throw in 3 first round picks or a second round pick.


2.) 17 Jun 2018 16:06:26
Matthews is a if its not going to work in toronto kind of idea and gardiner is no where near parayko also likely a ufa that walks at the end of the year. And if parayko shores up the defence like he should that's a really good team losing only gardiner off your roster.

These trades were intended as a few different ideas not to all be done.
I think the value is actually pretty fair in every trade. The matthews trade I don't really like that much but if he's gone soon anyways. As in sign the minimum contract til he can go to the states.


3.) 18 Jun 2018 03:26:21
Nylander, Gardner and Zaitsev for Larsson and the 1st (10th overall) I would do even without the 2019, 1st.
Those are 3 of my least favorite Leafs.
Gardner and three 1sts I would not do as it removes the Leafs ability to keep building the team for the long haul and puts too much emphasis on trying to win now!
Only 1 team out of 31 can win the Cup each year. The rest go home empty handed.


4.) 18 Jun 2018 03:56:42
I see what you are getting at but parayko seems worth it to me.


 

 

06 Jun 2018 16:53:36
Leafs: Gardiner leivo 1st

Yotes: Domi 1st and 6th

Randy

1.) 06 Jun 2018 17:04:08
Leafs have plenty of wingers they don’t need Domi and Arizona would want more.


2.) 06 Jun 2018 17:54:48
Domi sucks and has cement hands, just like his old man.

LeafsFuture:

Domi would be brought in to play center.


3.) 06 Jun 2018 18:17:48
Domis left side and a natural centre. If Arizona would do this deal I would aswell. Gardiner is the superior player so they send the better draft pick leivo is likely to make that team so a 6th for him is a steal.


4.) 06 Jun 2018 18:46:37
I was also thinking more along the lines of get domi as a long shot and ugrade our pick as the priority in this deal. Leivo for a 6th is a good deal for them and gives us a chance of getting something out of leivo who doesn't have a future on the leafs unfortunately. Domi may be like a lot of home grown boys plays hus best hockey at the acc.


5.) 06 Jun 2018 21:27:37
Why would Arizona make this trade for Gardiner? He's a pending UFA and almost certainly wouldn't resign with them.


6.) 06 Jun 2018 23:57:28
Arizona isn't as far off as everyone makes them out to be they could afford to give him a good contract. People on this site have a very narrow mindset.


7.) 07 Jun 2018 01:49:55
Gardner for Domi may be a fairly even trade but when you combine it with Arizona moving from the 5th pick to the 25th pick, I can't imagine them doing it. Leivo is merely incidental.


8.) 07 Jun 2018 09:07:51
Gradiner + Leivo for Domi+ Demers, no picks required.


9.) 07 Jun 2018 13:16:21
Gardiner is the superior player? Whatever your smoking, I want a toke - you must be high .

Gardiner stinks

He plays the position of Defense in the NHL. he can’t stop people from getting past him as he is soft and doesn’t have a lot of hockey sense

Sure, he has some offense upside, but he is a defenseman . He isn’t good enough offensively to make up for his horrible (and I mean Horrible! ) defensive skill.


 

 

 

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17 Sep 2018 11:14:27
He doesn't have that much value hell want to toss them Matthews too?

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16 Sep 2018 04:18:54
You think nylander will be worth more than Matthews?

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13 Sep 2018 16:57:16
I disagree most leaf no nylander lines

Marleau Matthews marner
Hyman Tavares brown
Johnsson kadri kapanen
Leivo lindholm ennis/ grundstrom

Reilly parayko
Giveaway giveaway#2 (zaitsev)
Dermott hainsey
Carrick joris

Freddie sparks.

He'll toss in mac or Picard if they are worries about their back up situation.

This team is still very offense heavy without nylander.

They say Tavares makes players better around him see what he can do for 2 work horses on his line.

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13 Sep 2018 12:59:06
If there is beef swap boeser and marner.

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11 Sep 2018 17:08:16
That comment of Tavares makes people better I'd like to see Leivo get a shot on his wing. See if he can make him have some value for us.

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