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12 May 2017 19:41:35
To LEAFS: Manson and Bieksa
To DUCKS: Soshnikov, Rychel and 2nd
Solves Ducks cap issues and expansion issues. Deal contingent on Bieksa waiving his NMC or we buy him out prior to expansion draft if he wants to re-sign in Anaheim
1.) 12 May 2017 22:18:37
So if Bieksa gets traded does the NMC vanish, because if not this trade jus mean a we likely lose Carrick or Manson.
Cuz the Leafs will protect Rielly and Gardiner and will have to protect Bieksa.
So, no, not a good trade. Essentially you're trading away Sosh, Rychel and a 2nd for Bieksa and the risk of losing Carrick or the most recently acquired, Manson.
Didn't think that one through enough Austin.
2.) 12 May 2017 22:29:55
Ducks say no but good idea. Manson has been good in the playoffs.
3.) 12 May 2017 23:41:36
No I mentioned that bikes a would have to waive his nmc. Leafs protect rielly, Gardiner and Manson.
4.) 12 May 2017 23:46:10
No I did mention that the trade would be contingent on bikes a waiving his nmc. Leafs protect rielly, gards and Manson. Possibly lose Carrick but we're losing someone anyway. Carrick maybe goes but saves leivo or someone else.
5.) 12 May 2017 23:53:29
Manson has been good, I want him patrolling our right side for just that reason. Ducks have to do something. If they choose Manson over Vatenen I'd probably look to Minnesota instead.
6.) 13 May 2017 03:54:19
You're basically trading Sosh, Rychel, a 2nd and Carrick than. For Toronto to trade for a D before the expansion draft makes absolutely no sense. UNLESS they're including Carrick in the trade, I don't think they're prepared to give up Carrick for free.
7.) 13 May 2017 16:12:38
I disagree. I'm not that high on Carrick. And they don't lose him for free. They gain the player Vegas would otherwise have taken (if they value Carrick more)
8.) 13 May 2017 17:32:16
Deals to mitigate the expansion draft problems for the Leafs.
1) Vegas Deal for a Player:
Lou needs to make a deal prior to the expn draft with Vegas. They agree to take a player (s) for a small exchange of picks. This deal will be binding and leave the Leafs free to pluck from other teams.
2) A Deal to sign a UFA:
The Leafs and Vegas and a Leafs UFA, could agree to sign; Leafs waive negotiation rights before the season ends to make the deal happen) . The agreement would count as the pick; leaving the Leafs free to pluck from the other teams. (I'm not entirely sure this is legal)
3) Trade Gardiner:
The Leafs could trade away a top 3 Dman. (Note: if Rosen and Holm are signed we are saturated on the LHD) .
As an example: They package Gardiner (his value is currently high) and another player for Trouba. Still leaves them at 3 Dmen to protect. It addresses the problematic LHD issues for Winnipeg, and the void at the #4 spot for the Leafs.
4) Go 8 Skaters:
a) trade for an extra RHD; trade away several young non-exempt forwards for one exempt quality RHD prospect or a first round pick.
b) Then sign or trade for a young quality RHD and protect him as the 4th D. (If the other team requires a qualifying DMan use Marincin or Marchenko as part of the bargaining - Wow! They finally have value) .
You would protect JVR, Kadri, Brown, and one of Rychel, Leipsic, Leivo, and Smith.
This leaves Bozak, Leo, Martin, and the remainders open for the draft - it assumes they are not desirable to an expansion team, and that because of their age, they are expendable. Losing one of them will not crush the Leafs.
5) CULL, CULL, CULL:
Trade quantity for quality and leave nothing left to pick. This culling will happen in due course anyway. Best to do it now, while it aids in avoiding the expn. draft cost; and it is possible for teams like the Leafs.
6) VEGAS FARM TEAM:
a) Help stock their farm team will all levels of players. They will be starting from scratch. We have excess at all levels. Similar to Lou's 5 for 1 with the Islanders; We would get draft picks in return. (Better for the Leafs before the draft; as one of the players can count as the draftee) .
(b) Maybe a 3 way trade netting the Leafs a RHDman and some picks, and doubling the number of farm hands going to Vegas. The trade would include the draftees for the Leafs and the other team. A big complicated trade, but do-able for all 3 teams involved as we are dealing with minor league contracts and ELC's.
7) No! He's a Forward:
For the next draft list everyone as forwards except the top 3 and Dmen you don't care about.
Okay that one's a little wacky, but would be funny.
12 May 2017 19:28:56
Anaheim doesn't want to take on salary in the inevitable trading of at LEAST one of their d-men. They want cheap roster players/prospects or picks.
To LEAFS: Josh Manson
To DUCKS: Brown
OR
To LEAFS: Josh Manson
To Ducks: Leipsic or Rychel plus a 2nd rounder
I really want Manson on our right side next year. They could also factor in Bieksa somehow. We could solve their cap issues AND their expansion issues. We could buy out Bieksa ($1,333,333 for two years) if he wants to go back to Anaheim as a UFA or if he's open to staying it solves our bottom pairing RD need
1.) 12 May 2017 22:23:21
Everyone is so gung ho to trade for Manson, but that means losing Carrick. Is the trade off really worth it? Whom ever you trade for Manson, add Carrick to that because if exposed he's leaving for Vegas.
2.) 12 May 2017 23:51:36
Hey Dbone, You definetly have a point but don't forget that we are losing someone. If it's Carrick that means it's not Leivo or Martin. I'd take Manson over Carrick. If the Leafs upgrade their D by leveraging the expansion draft we will be leaving Carrick unprotected regardless.
3.) 13 May 2017 01:05:58
Reports said Vegas liked marincin but maybe that was because Carrick was going to be protected.
4.) 13 May 2017 03:59:55
They'll take Carrick in Vegas, also I'd prefer to lose Leivo over Carrick. Martin would be hard to lose but I see Toronto protecting
Bozak
JvR
Kadri
Brown
Komarov
Boyle
Martin
Rielly
Gards
Carrick
I know most people will say they protect Leivo, but Martin watches over the kids and he has developed friendships with the young guys. Losing him, although not much on the ice, he is a personality this team needs.
5.) 13 May 2017 15:21:38
Any upgrade we see will be after the expansion draft I think, Toronto is in the best shape of any team for the expansion. why would they be willing to ruin that jus to make a rushed deal. Lots of time in the off season to upgrade.
6.) 13 May 2017 16:22:07
Expansion draft provides the best opportunity to upgrade he d. Can let it slip by without utilizing it. I see the Leafs protecting:
Kadri
Bozak
JvR
Komarov
Leipsic
Leivo
Brown
Reilly
Gards
Carrick (or added dman prior to exp)
Look to trade JvR at the entry draft for another 1st round pick.
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13 May 2017 17:55:08
I like it. Just one more year left for Niemi.
13 May 2017 16:22:07
Expansion draft provides the best opportunity to upgrade he d. Can let it slip by without utilizing it. I see the Leafs protecting:
Kadri
Bozak
JvR
Komarov
Leipsic
Leivo
Brown
Reilly
Gards
Carrick (or added dman prior to exp)
Look to trade JvR at the entry draft for another 1st round pick.
13 May 2017 16:14:31
You're right I forgot about that. I guess the leafs have to weigh the value of an overpaid backup to dead cap space that can be used towards LTIR.
13 May 2017 16:12:38
I disagree. I'm not that high on Carrick. And they don't lose him for free. They gain the player Vegas would otherwise have taken (if they value Carrick more)
13 May 2017 02:35:50
Lupul might get bought out soon.
12 May 2017 18:52:09
Agree. Alzner doesn't seem to fit as he's third on the LD depth chart. Can someone explain to me what it would cost to get Josh Manson? I keep hearing JVR+ but that doesn't make sense to me. Anaheim wouldn't want to take back salary in the deal as they are a budget team not a cap team. I figure they would want cheap prospects or picks.