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04 Jun 2020 05:02:51
So because I'm stubborn I'm going to do this again! Lol the definition of insanity!

Barrie, Ceci, Spezza, Mikheyev and Clifford walk.

Tor signs Hamonic D 3 years @ 3.5 million per year
Tor signs Mikheyev 2 years @ 1.5 million per year

Tor gets
Seguin C/RW = 9.95


Dallas gets
Nylander RW = 6.95
Johnsson LW = 3.4
Hollowell D = 800k

Tor gets
Domi C/LW = 3.15 Domi signs 1 year Arbitrary 3.95 RFA
Leskinen D = 925k

Montreal gets
Dermott D = 860k
Kerfoot LW/C/RW = 3.5

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Marner = 24.75
Mikheyev/Tavares/Seguin = 22.45
Barabanov/Domi/Kapanen = 7.94
Robertson/Engvall/Korshkov = 2.97
Total = 58.11

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Hamonic = 8.5
Muzzin/Liljegren = 6.48
Sandin/Holl = 2.89
Total = 17.87

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg = 5
Campbell Bg = 1.65
Total = 6.65

Grand total = F 58.11 + D 17.87 + G 6.65 + 1.2 Kessel tax = 83.83 - 81.5 = 2.33 over the cap. Now I know it's not under but I'm getting close

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1.) 04 Jun 2020 08:33:57
Do I think Dallas would make that trade. Yes. Would I do it if I was the Leafs? No. It further concentrates the cap into the top four for one thing. Not surprising you are 2.33 over cap, which is pretty close to the difference between Nylander and seguins salary.

Greedy Nylander redeemed himself with his play last year. I'd rather keep him for now than trade him for an aging Seguin that has been called out two years in a row for declining performance.


2.) 04 Jun 2020 15:30:38
not really that close. still only a 20 man roster. so need to add a couple more minor contracts. cause they won't only have 20 players on the team all year especially if the new season starts right back up not long after the Stanley cup. so your still probly close to 5 million over the cap.


3.) 04 Jun 2020 16:12:49
why do we undervalue domi in every post? why would he take a 1 year deal for 3.5. He will likely be in the 5 range no?

Got to agree with the comments above - nylander really established himself this past year and seguin is aging.

(First ever post here- don't rip me to hard! )


4.) 04 Jun 2020 16:45:27
Yo losersince67 Domi had one good season 2 years ago where he scored 28g and 72 points in 81 games then he follows that up with 17 G and 44 points in 71 this season and he’s worth 5 mil plus on a long term contract? He’s an RFA with Arbitration rights that’s it.
Regardless the whole 20 man roster thing we have the contracts already on the books like Brooks and Petan so adding more new contracts not needed, I’m not saying that this won’t increase the overall cap but not to 5 mil.


5.) 04 Jun 2020 17:04:28
Domi might actually ask for 5 your not wrong there. He seems to be extremely arrogant and believes he is worth than I believe he is. 3.5 on a 1 year deal is about what he's probably worth in my mind as well.

Still wouldn't trade our cheaper, younger 30/ 70 forward for an older player though.


6.) 04 Jun 2020 17:58:50
@leafslife I did some comparisons of Nylander and Seguin
Nylander is 24 while Seguin is 28
Nylander best season was 61pts he did this twice with potential for better results in the future.
Seguin best season was 84 pts and scored 80 another season with a bunch of 70 pts seasons to his credit

Both seem to stay in the line up fairly well I would give the edge to Seguin.

Seguins contract has the potential to turn into a boat anchor but we are in prime years.
@ leaflife the funny thing is I’m marking these arguments over a player I do like but not my favourite target on this site. That will always be saved for Wilson and Kassian lol!
Speaking of which I think I might put up a Wilson/ Kassian trade to ensure I keep that trend alive and well.


7.) 04 Jun 2020 18:55:26
Seguin has better seasons no doubt but he also played more. Nylander this year showed what he can do. I think both players in their Prime's Seguin is a better player based on what Nylander has shown us this far but that's not the case. It's. more about age and if Nylander can improve to me. Seguin won't be improving though. If anything he will regress.


8.) 05 Jun 2020 13:53:15
Seguin is not in his prime anymore. Lol. He's on the back side of his career now. Most forwards peak between 22-25. So at 28 years of age, statistically speaking, he doesn't have a lot of gas left in the tank.


 

 

03 Jun 2020 03:22:49
So taking another whack at this trade so here I go!

Barrie, Ceci and Clifford walk.

Tor signs Brodie D 4 years @ 4.5 million per year

Tor gets
Seguin C/RW

Dallas gets
Nylander RW
Johnsson LW
Hollowell D

Tor gets
Domi C/LW

Montreal gets
Dermott D
Brooks C

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Marner
Kerfoot/Tavares/Seguin
Mikheyev/Domi/Kapanen
Barbanov/Engvall/Korshkov

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Brodie
Muzzin/Liljegren
Sandin/Holl

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

So these moves probably fits the Dubas Era this team will be fast not the toughest crew I ever put together but I think they could fly!

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1.) 03 Jun 2020 14:34:27
does cap space not exist in your world. previous trade did not work with cap space now your adding Domi…. you have to be close to 10mil over the cap by now.


2.) 03 Jun 2020 16:20:13
So I’m going to have to say I did not check the cap on the trade so please break it down. Here’s a quick look From my side!

Ceci = Brodie

Nylander+Johnsson + Hollowell = Seguin

Clifford + Barrie + Dermott + Brooks = Domi not quite but close.
You have to pay Dermot close to domi anyway there’s the Kessel tax 1.2 and we’ve been above the cap the whole time through LTIR. Please show me where your math puts me over by 10 million am I over sure you have to factor in Muzzin and Holl raises but 10 million over lay off the glue sticks!


3.) 03 Jun 2020 22:50:28
91 million total. youd need roughly 18 million in ltir to get under cap properly

The good news is its duable. the bad news is this offseason LTIR players will become harder to come up with as a bunch are coming off teams books.

Solid proposal. however with seguin being a party boy will he be in tip top shape when its go time. i'm scared to see how some come back after this layoff. matthews and nylander scare me also. itll be 80s training camp all over again. off season workouts will be laxed due to C-19 so camp becomes weight loss program instead of go time from the get go. guess we will all see though.


4.) 03 Jun 2020 23:35:07
You're not doing it right LHD. You have to look at who is on the team next year. Lol. Leafs have $77M in 17 players. Something like that. So you need to balance around that number. There are guys getting raises (Muzzin, Dermott, Engvall, etc) and guys just got signed (Barabanov, Lehtonen) that are not represented in this year's cap vs next year.

Deadline is over for this year. So has to go off next year's cap.


5.) 03 Jun 2020 23:36:28
It's because of how bad our cap situation is heading into next year that the Leafs are almost going to have to dump salary. Which means trading two thirds of the third line for nothing but picks and prospects in return. And chances are, we won't be getting fair value.


6.) 04 Jun 2020 02:25:50
@ Hockey lover what you said was rubbish! Lol!


7.) 04 Jun 2020 09:20:59
I talk a lot of sh*t. But don't tell anyone. It's our little secret. Fake it til you make it. If I am enough sh*t eventually Shakespeare will fall out. Or something like thag.


8.) 04 Jun 2020 15:23:14
go play around on cap friendly to figure out who is really sniffing glue sticks. your at 8.5 million over the cap with a 21 man roster. bring up or sign 2 minor contracts that gets ya o almost 10 million. do your research before mouthing off and insulting people.


 

 

02 Jun 2020 02:46:45
Barrie, Ceci and Clifford walk.

Tor signs Hamonic D 3 years @ 3.5 million per year
Tor signs Gudas D 3 years @ 3 million per year
Tor signs Spezza C 2 years @ 750k per year

Tor gets
Seguin C/RW

Dallas gets
Nylander RW
Dermott D
Johnsson LW
Bracco RW

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Marner
Kerfoot/Tavares/Seguin
Mikheyev/Spezza/Kapanen
Barbanov/Engvall/Korshkov

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Gudas
Muzzin/Hamonic
Sandin/Liljegren

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

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1.) 02 Jun 2020 05:52:56
Off the top. of my head, the Sadie's work out close enough that it's viable. A other option for 3C would be Brooks. He is looking like he is ready for NHL action soon. Another option is to keep Kerfoot there and use Robertson on LW somewhere.

I really like both guys you sign for defense too. Both guys are good defensive defensemen and would compliment the style of our offensive guys well.

You don't have Lehtonen in the lineup though. He would be in place of Liljegren I wager?


2.) 02 Jun 2020 06:04:47
Rather keep our guys than take on Seguin.

I really like the targets in hamonic and Gudas but I believe they can both command a bit more on a slightly longer term than is offered here.

I do like the idea of adding a smaller UFA as opposed to another 11+ player in Petro though.


3.) 02 Jun 2020 13:37:26
Yeah no thanks to Seguin
Like Gudas Hamonic signings as opposed to pietrangelo.


4.) 02 Jun 2020 14:33:43
So Potentially Mathews 50 goals, Seguin 40 goals Tavares 35 goals and you mix In Marner setting everyone up like Adam Oates banking 100 assists that’s a pretty potent group

I also like Brodie as another target and I do agree that the Defensive signings probably could squeak out an extra year but I would think that’s close to real value both are heading into the later stages of their careers.


5.) 02 Jun 2020 15:05:13
I'm more against the Seguin trade because I don't think he is so much better than Nylander that you add in Dermott, Johnson and Bracco.


6.) 02 Jun 2020 16:33:45
K so Seguin = Nylander + Johnsson + Hollowell and Bracco?

Seguin without the pressure of being counted on every night will allow him to flourish in TO. Those are my thoughts.


7.) 02 Jun 2020 18:03:40
The pressure is always high in Toronto no matter if you’re on the top line or the bottom line.


8.) 02 Jun 2020 20:09:35
Interesting idea for Seguin. but what about Holl and his 2mil? Is Lehtonen not making the team? with Sandin sent down and adding Holl and Lehtonen we only have 21 roster players. and are over the cap by almost 5mil. this trade would not work.


9.) 02 Jun 2020 20:16:29
@leafs1994 you are correct but I think Tavares, Marner and Mathews will be ahead of him in the pecking order when it comes to TO media.


10.) 02 Jun 2020 21:38:21
I really just believe it's bad policy to trade away 30/ 70 top line forwards for older more expensive players. Seguin would 100% flourish as a leaf. No doubt in my mind.

I really like the idea behind bringing in Seguin as I have always been a fan of his it's just that I wouldn't trade Nylander for him.


 

 

28 May 2020 00:13:54
Tor gets
Kassian RW


Oilers get
Johnsson LW
Brooks C
Hollowell D

Tor gets
Jenner LW

Columbus gets
Kapanen RW


Tor gets
Kane LW

Tampa gets
Nylander RW
Petan RW


Tor signs Byfuglein 1 year @ 1.5 mil Per year
Tor signs Spezza 2 years @ 750k per year
Tor signs Hamonic 3 years @ 3.5 million per year

Toronto's forward lines
Kane/Mathews/Marner
Hymn/Tavares/Kassian
Jenner/Spezza/Kerfoot
Mikheyev/Engvall/Barabonov
Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Hamonic
Muzzin/Holl
Sandin/Byfuglein

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

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1.) 28 May 2020 03:10:29
Nylander>Kane
Kapanen>Jenner

As much as I would like to add Kassian to the leafs I just don’t think the oilers are going to part with him. What you offered seems to be fair, don’t get me wrong, but I just don’t see them trading him right after giving him an extension.


2.) 28 May 2020 04:33:01
Petan is a good player. But he really is a true tweener. He is a star in the AHL but a no name in the NHL. At this point, I just don't see the dream happening for him. If he can be of use to another team, then I don't see any reason for Leafs not to trade him.

The Lindholm for Petan trade is one that didn't work out so well for Dubas, though I don't hold it against him for trying. Lindholm was brought in from Europe and didn't do too bad in our bottom six. He was a UFA and was 26 years old. So trading him for a you get Petan who was under control for many years and might still have had upside seemed like a good trade at the time

As it turns out, Petan still can't crack the NHL and Lindholm, while not exact blowing the league apart, is a steady bottom six player on Boston. If he is good enough for Boston's bottom six he would have been good enough for ours.

It was a low level NHL trade for sure, but it was still a trade at the NHL level. And a other loss for Dubas gambling on smaller skilled guys instead of going with proven steady players that show up for work every day and do their job. Petan amhad already been given a good look by other NHL teams and passed over. Does Dubas really think so highly of his development team that they were going to squeeze something out of him when the Jets failed?


3.) 28 May 2020 04:49:07
Probably rather just keep what we have other than Kassian which I don't see being traded for that.


4.) 28 May 2020 05:38:43
LHD u set itself up. It’s way to much your obsession with Kassian and Jenner. Also TB does not have a Kane maybe u meant San Jose. Not sure why u add players like Petan in your proposals as they have pretty much no value. Anyways I like to Have Evander Kane on the Leafs.


5.) 28 May 2020 11:03:20
@ Glimmer I copied an old post and never changed out the Tampa. Side note I’ve been on here long enough to continually trade for Kassian and I get the pleasure to watch all of you tell me he’s garbage and tell me he’s not worth it to oh they’ll never trade him or you trade is insufficient.
This is the main reason I don’t dive into the convo very often on this site. Most of you don’t have a clue.


6.) 28 May 2020 17:59:56
You got us all there LHD. As soon as kassian started lighting it up this year you were the first person to come to mind. Credit where it's deserved. He has looked much better than the "knuckle dragger" many (including myself) labelled him as.


7.) 28 May 2020 23:45:39
Playing beside McDavid and Draisaitl in their career year would make even me look good. I'm not going to knock Kassian. He deserves credit. He's having a helluva good season. When I see teams like Washington and Edmonton playing guys like Wilson and Kassian on their top lines and the result that it has, it makes me wish Leafs would get their own knuckle dragger. The hairier the knuckles the better.


8.) 29 May 2020 07:38:21
lol kassian
Yeah ok lhd
29 years old
He has 34 points in 59 points playing with the best player in the world?
Geez man really?


 

 

26 May 2020 02:43:54
Tor gets
Kassian RW

Oilers get
Johnsson LW
Bracco RW

Tor gets
Jenner LW

Columbus gets
Kapanen RW
Gauthier C

Tor gets
Stamkos LW

Tampa gets
Nylander RW
Dermott D
Robertson LW

Tor signs Byfuglein 1 year @ 1.5 mil Per year
Tor signs Spezza 2 years @ 950k per year
Tor signs Hamonic 3 years @ 3.5 million per year

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Marner
Stamkos/Tavares/Kassian
Jenner/Spezza/Kerfoot
Mikheyev/Engvall/Barabonov
Extras: Korshkov and Brooks

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Hamonic
Muzzin/Holl
Sandin/Byfuglein
Extras: Liljegren and Rosen

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

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1.) 26 May 2020 10:37:09
So first trade I don’t think Edmonton is willing to move Kassian him a tkachuk have really ignited the battle of Alberta and Kassian has brought value to himself for it the second trade I don’t mind I think Jenner is a great shutdown center Idk about the value tho as for Stamkos I wouldn’t want him for the same reason I don’t want petro he’s exiting his prime years and you’re giving up a lot of our future to get him.


2.) 26 May 2020 16:11:59
1st trade is an underpayment. Kassian is probably one of the best grinders in the league while Johnsson is coming off an injury and Bracco still needs to prove himself at the NHL level.

Second trade is an overpayment. Kapanen is younger and much more skilled then Jenner end of story. Kapanen had 36 points in one less game this year compared to Jenner's 24, and you cannot say Jenner is the better two way player because Kapanen can also play on the penalty kill. Kapanen also has the cheaper contract so that move isn't really a money saver anyway.

Also the leafs are not trading one of their best forwards and arguably their best prospect (depending on how you view Sandin as a prospect or not) along with a young defenceman for an aging Stamkos who has yet to play since the injury he sustained before the season came to a halt. Also, this is just one of the many injuries he has sustained in the past.

The signings I'm fine with as long as the leafs can afford them. Also you could probably get Spezza for league minimum.


3.) 26 May 2020 19:22:24
Leafs aren't moving nr, he's a capable elc that can slot into the top 9, possibly the top 6 as an 18 year old.


4.) 26 May 2020 22:33:36
You really think k Robertson will make the team next year Volcom?

Even if not next year, I don't imagine it will be too long until we see him in the NHL. If there was any one player that I thought would be able to fast track development right now, it's him.


5.) 27 May 2020 06:30:14
I don't think he's eligible to play in the ahl next season and with 55 goals in 46 games I don't think he's heading back to the o, just doesn't have anything to prove there. I think he could definitely slot into the top 9 but I could see trading kapanen and slotting him into the top 6 at some point later next season, I'd definitely take a 9 game look before sending him back to the o that's for sure.


6.) 27 May 2020 23:56:08
I agree with that too. He's not eligible for AHL and going back to OHL will hinder his development and he can't go overseas. A sheltered role on the big team might be best for him.


 

 

 

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04 Jun 2020 17:58:50
@leafslife I did some comparisons of Nylander and Seguin
Nylander is 24 while Seguin is 28
Nylander best season was 61pts he did this twice with potential for better results in the future.
Seguin best season was 84 pts and scored 80 another season with a bunch of 70 pts seasons to his credit

Both seem to stay in the line up fairly well I would give the edge to Seguin.

Seguins contract has the potential to turn into a boat anchor but we are in prime years.
@ leaflife the funny thing is I’m marking these arguments over a player I do like but not my favourite target on this site. That will always be saved for Wilson and Kassian lol!
Speaking of which I think I might put up a Wilson/ Kassian trade to ensure I keep that trend alive and well.

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04 Jun 2020 16:45:27
Yo losersince67 Domi had one good season 2 years ago where he scored 28g and 72 points in 81 games then he follows that up with 17 G and 44 points in 71 this season and he’s worth 5 mil plus on a long term contract? He’s an RFA with Arbitration rights that’s it.
Regardless the whole 20 man roster thing we have the contracts already on the books like Brooks and Petan so adding more new contracts not needed, I’m not saying that this won’t increase the overall cap but not to 5 mil.

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04 Jun 2020 02:25:50
@ Hockey lover what you said was rubbish! Lol!

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03 Jun 2020 16:20:13
So I’m going to have to say I did not check the cap on the trade so please break it down. Here’s a quick look From my side!

Ceci = Brodie

Nylander+Johnsson + Hollowell = Seguin

Clifford + Barrie + Dermott + Brooks = Domi not quite but close.
You have to pay Dermot close to domi anyway there’s the Kessel tax 1.2 and we’ve been above the cap the whole time through LTIR. Please show me where your math puts me over by 10 million am I over sure you have to factor in Muzzin and Holl raises but 10 million over lay off the glue sticks!

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02 Jun 2020 20:16:29
@leafs1994 you are correct but I think Tavares, Marner and Mathews will be ahead of him in the pecking order when it comes to TO media.

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