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18 Sep 2017 00:30:18
Edmonton
- Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
- 2nd
Minnesota
- Mathew Dumba
Toronto
- Tyler Bozak

TOR - 2nd
MIN - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
EDM - Mathew Dumba, Tyler Bozak

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19 Sep 2017 00:14:51
The Wild wouldn't trade Dumba straight up for RNH. Since the Leafs are giving away Bozak why not add JVR and Uncle Leo, wait, let's add Reilly so the Oilers will win the cup.
Silly proposal.

20 Sep 2017 11:46:57
How does this trade help Toronto?

17 Sep 2017 01:17:12
To Avs. Nielsen bracco 1st 2018 jvr
To leafs duchene 2nd 2018

Duchene matthews Nylander
Marleau kadri marner
Hyman bozak brown
Martin Moore komorov

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17 Sep 2017 11:36:55
Than make this a three way trade.

To Avs:

Neilson+ Bracco + JVR+ 1st round

To Toronto

Duchene + 2nd round pick

To Nashville

Duchene

To Toronto

Roman Josi + 2nd round pick 2018

Hyman Matthews Nylander
Marleau Kadri Brown
Kapenen Bozak Marner
Martin Moore Komorov

JosI Reilly
Gardiner Zaitsev
Hainey Carrick
Dermott

Toronto gains a #1 Defenseman, + 2 2nd round picks. Opens two more space under the 50 man roster. Defense is set for two years before Gardiner's extension and there is three more positions of advancement available for their prospects next year in 2018 and 2019.

Salary Cap this year is $79 MM with $10.5 MM in LTIR. Next year there is an ability to re-sign Komorov or replace him, Grundstrom or Soshkinov or scorers such as Leivo, or Johansson.

17 Sep 2017 16:09:24
Josi > Duchene.

17 Sep 2017 23:36:32
Leafs own a top 5 offence, I don't think trading for Duchene makes a lot of sense.

16 Sep 2017 21:13:08
JVR+1st 2018+ Bracco for Roman Josi.

This was found on PredLines

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18 Sep 2017 02:45:30
I like this.

18 Sep 2017 15:20:31
Josi is a stud on a 4mill contract for 3 more years. You got to give up more as the leafs. Think maybe kapanen also lol. Harmonic got more in return.

18 Sep 2017 18:54:32
Not even close for one of the best defenders in the world on a cap friendly contract.

16 Sep 2017 14:42:32
James van Riemsdyk to the Columbus Blue Jackets in exchange for Jack Johnson and a 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick.

- Two UFA's traded for each other, for positional needs.
- Columbus could use another left winger, especially if Sonny Milano doesn't pan out on the left side. Foligno, van Riemsdyk and Panarin on the left would be ridiculous.
- Columbus also has internal depth to take over for the loss of Johnson, as Harrington, Nutivarra and Gabriel Carlsson are all young enough to play the bottom pair and have sheltered minutes. The top four in CBJ would stay the same, with Seth Jones, Zach Werenski, David Savard and Ryan Murray.
- Toronto definetly could use another defenseman to round out their top four, and Johnson could be a stabilizing partner for the still growing Morgan Rielly. It would also be better if Ron Hainsey played in a third pairing role than in a first pairing role, that way he could play big minutes on the PK.
- Toronto also can easily replace JVR, as currently, with him in the lineup, they have 5 NHL ready left wingers (JVR, Marleau, Hyman, Komarov, Martin) . One would shift to the right side if this move wasn't done. With this move, there is an opening on the right wing for Kasperi Kapanen, who played well in a fourth line stint last year.

Toronto Lineup:
Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Tyler Bozak - Mitch Marner
Leo Komarov - Nazem Kadri - Connor Brown
Matt Martin - Dominic Moore - Kasperi Kapanen
*Josh Leivo

Jack Johnson - Morgan Rielly
Jake Gardiner - Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Carrick - Ron Hainsey
*Travis Dermott, Roman Polak

Columbus Lineup:
Artemi Panarin - Alex Wennberg - Josh Anderson (if he signs)
Nick Foligno - Brandon Dubinsky - Cam Atkinson
James van Riemsdyk - Boone Jenner - Oliver Bjorkstrand
Sonny Milano - Lukas Sedlak - Matt Calvert
*Jordan Schroeder

Seth Jones - Zach Werenski
Gabriel Carlsson - David Savard
Markus Nuttivarra - Ryan Murray
*Scott Harrington

- Only reason I added the second is because I believe Jack Johnson is worth a first, and JVR is worth a first and second. So yeah.

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16 Sep 2017 19:02:09
Jack Johnson may have been the talk of the town in his rookie season, but since then in my opinion he is a dud. no thanks.

16 Sep 2017 03:22:03
JVR for a 1st. Then trade Nylander and a 1st for Doughty. Promote Kapanen to replace Nylander.

We trade Nylander to create the cap space so we can sign Doughty, Matthews, Marner. By the time Kapanen is due for a raise, we will have other contracts coming off the books or players we can trade to make the room to sign him.

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16 Sep 2017 06:04:36
Leafs gm

That's nuts next 4 years your going to have Matthew nylander kadri as your top 3 centre. BoZak will move late in season nylander finally gets Babcock promotion.

Gauthier looks like cheap number 4 centre soon. . Then you have Adam brooks making marllies this season so we see what he has . No one is stacked like leafs at centre.

16 Sep 2017 12:45:42
Marleau Matthews Kapanen
Brown Bozak Marner
Komorov Kadri Hyman
Martin Moore Rychel

Reilly Doughty
Gardiner Zaitsev
Hainsey Polak.

16 Sep 2017 16:31:53
Seriously? If it was that easy to get doughty wouldn't the leafs already gotten him? Ridicoulas.

16 Sep 2017 17:15:19
Glad you're not actually the Leafs GM lol.

17 Sep 2017 07:52:52
DavidMackin you haven't got a clue eh. Nylander isn't playing centre this year and he may not even next year.

I think when and if Nylander moves to centre is when Bracco proves he's ready, because he will like be given a chance to play with Matthews. Even that scenario seems distant at this point though, Bracco would need to really impress this your with the Marlies.

14 Sep 2017 10:54:58
To devils 4th 2018 lievo soshnikov
To leafs quenneville 2nd 2018

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13 Sep 2017 12:09:20
Toronto trade Bozak valiev

Playoff pushing team 1st round pick 2018

That's toward trade deadline

For all you guys out there who say resign Bozak your crazy.

We have best centre depth in league

Matthews
Nylander
Kadri
Moore
Fehr

Coming soon

Gauthier
Brooks

Bozak thanks 4 everything but u need to go soon and let's only get a first back even we throw in extra cookie

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13 Sep 2017 15:36:04
Gauthier, fehr, Moore, nylander are all on expiring contracts, nylander won't play center this year. Unless absolutely needed. fehr didn't play an nhl game since 2016 (I think) and Gauthier came off of an absolutely horrible leg injury. How is that the best depth in the league. 4 of the players named are 4th line guys. At best Brooks is a really solid 3 in my opinion.

13 Sep 2017 16:59:11
If Nylander is a centre you might want to let Babcock know about that since he has publicly said that he will not be playing centre this year.

14 Sep 2017 10:53:50
Definately don't have the best Center depth in the league.

14 Sep 2017 10:55:04
I like how you call me out Davidmakin and your trades are always terrible ideas.

Nylander will not play centre possibly ever, not this season for certain but I wouldn't be surprised to see Nylander stay on the wing for his career and take face offs on his strong side. It's not a bad option to have when the primary centre gets tossed (which is often) .
I don't think Leafs should sign Bozak because he won't sign for under 4 mil. I agree with that part, but the Leafs will have to address the void left by his departure, especially if it's at the deadline.

You're also putting a lot of faith in Gauthier and Brooks.
Both of which are not guarantees, Gauthier will at max be a forth line penalty killing specialist.
Brooks is such a wild card it's not even funny, we are yet to see his pro game and you're getting really excited about his numbers in an overage junior player. Granted his numbers were great in his draft year as well. That being said he hasn't played a single game at pro ranks yet, I hope he's great but to rely on this guy being an impact NHLer at this point is jus plain crazy.

On a brighter note, has anyone noticed the Leafs newest signing Pospisil. Size and skill, he looks to be ok if he can play consistently.

15 Sep 2017 14:01:46
David

NYLANDER doesn't play center and his defence isn't good enough, Oilers have a better center depth

Mcdavid
Leon
RNH
Letestu

And you have said that "no one have a better d core than the leafs" but The canes blow them out of the water with their d prospects.

15 Sep 2017 19:12:22
Best Centre depth? That's a joke right? Nylander is not a Centre and plays wing for 1. Bozak is on an expiring contract and likely not retained.

I was actually thinking the Leafs C depth is what is weak.

12 Sep 2017 21:54:47
Toronto- Bozak

Pittsburgh-1st round pick


Toronto- Leivo 2018 1st and 2019 2nd

Vancouver- Tanev.

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12 Sep 2017 23:57:04
Just don't see the Leafs trading from an area of weakness. Centre is a position we have perilously little depth.

Too much for Tanev.

13 Sep 2017 04:18:21
Chrisdafish

I don't like his trade but your saying centre is not our strength it's our best strength late this season

Matthews
Nylander
Kadri
Moore


Coming soon

Gauthier
Brooks.

13 Sep 2017 13:05:01
@keon14 i posted before that I think bozak will be back. He's a leader who's become a norm in toronto media and can help a guy like marner maybe make the transition to center or even nylaner. Thinking front loaded 4 years 13-15 mill. As for tanev I don't think you need to give up that much. Although you will have to switch to a D prospect. If vancouver trades tanev they will want to fill his spot from the system and have a guy they can watch grow in a year or two. Think Neilson. Good trade tho. Maybe get rid of the second. Vancouver will be desperate. Although I don't think the leafs do either, good ideas tho.

@davidmakin just because you name off prospects doesn't mean we have depth. 3 out of 6 have never played center in the nhl (besides nylanders 10faceoffs last season and Freddie 5 games or so) I also believe they are weak down the middle. Brooks is unproven in the nhl could be another Freddy the goat. As for Gauthier he's a call up plug in 4th line player that they might use on the pk during the season. He really has no value other than being a call up when desperate.

16 Sep 2017 04:17:58
Nylander will play wing this year, and most likely will play wing his entire career. While he is easily capable of playing top line wing, his lack of size, leadership, and poor defensive play means he will never be a number one center. Personally, I think we should trade Nylander and bring in RNH to be our number two center. Nylander is easily the most expendable of our top four forwards and will fetch a high return. And with the picks and prospects we get from trading JVR and Bozak and with what's already in the system, a package for RNH would be possible.

16 Sep 2017 19:19:23
RNH is an injury waiting to happen. really poor idea.

12 Sep 2017 13:51:11
To canes - jvr, Bracco, Nielsen.

To leafs - Faulk and Nicolas Roy,

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12 Sep 2017 14:30:55
U got more bad trades up your sleeve that dbone.

12 Sep 2017 17:44:42
This is not bad for leafs lol david doesn't want to trade anyone, he just wants to stay a bubble team.

12 Sep 2017 18:50:45
I do not always agree with David but I certainly do here, this trade helps us this year but screws us up the behind for the future. We have Liljegren coming in like 2 years just be patient.

12 Sep 2017 18:51:57
Clearly better then anything davidmackin ever came up with.

13 Sep 2017 04:35:43
Dear oldltooth hockey player

This is about building a pay structure that you can sustain.
I get leaf fans want flashy blue liners like Doherty or Faulk or whoever. The leafs are setting up their payroll so they can b great a very long time dmen are on the way

Liljegren
Dermott
Neilsen
Rosen
Borgman
JD Greenway

So as your waiting you look like they are at Russian kid next summer and short term fixes but Morgan Reilly is making most you create nightmare by bringing in expensive dman

The leafs defence this year has more depth than it did last year and next year it will have more can u just chill out and enjoy the ride. your moving JVR Bozak and komarov for a bunch of picks or young prospects. Look where we were at start of 2015-16 season look where we are now r u blind.

13 Sep 2017 04:46:38
Burdens

The leafs are not a bubble team right now they Stanley cup contender and party is just starting. All leafs have is young prospects ta you don't move them yet.

Valiev starting to look iffy that's only one u can trade right now.

13 Sep 2017 13:13:25
Just one thing. The leafs are not contenders. They are a playoff team that hasn't won a series (bubble team) Although I do agree that one stud dman will make them a possible contender but that remains to be seen. Our defence will be stacked soon if our prospects pan out.

14 Sep 2017 03:11:47
Faulk is probably the most economical D in the entire NHL. For what he brings to a team he is worth much more than what he is paid. 4.8 mil and he immiadtely becomes the top D for the Leafs and plays on their 1st power play unit, meanwhile picking up a good young centre with size.

For a player who won't be with the Leafs next season (JVR), Bracco who's got a lot of upside and can play with Matthews, and Nielsen who has lots of upside too, on a team with a bevy of LHD.

I would do this trade, today, yesterday and tomorrow. Faulk is a stud and Leafs would be lucky to have him, and Roy would fill in for Bozak next year I really think.

This trade would make Toronto hard to dismiss when talking contenders whilst padding a position that the Leafs don't really have a lot of young guys in coming up.

If the Canes would agree this is a great hockey deal, and JVR may even sign and stay in Carolina with his brother. That could be intriguing to the Canes.

14 Sep 2017 06:06:57
Have to agree with D bone! If you can get Justin Faulk from Carolina for that package, you should grab it and run before Carolina comes down from that drunken stupor! Problem is Hurricane would never agree to it. William Nylander might get it done. Faulk, if were to be a Leaf would easily be Toronto's best defenceman. If you hadn't noticed top two d-men don't grow on trees.

11 Sep 2017 21:31:03
Kerby Rychel, Rinat Valiev and Ben Smith

To Carolina for

Nicolas Roy and 6th Rd 2018 pick

I don't see anything out there available worth trading JVR for, their best chance to get a good return is at the trade deadline. Although by that time he will likely be more valuable in a playoff race rather then future assets.

Simply the Leafs have too many players capable of NHL roles, the Leafs will lose players if they don't move them.

Soshnikov and Kapanen are safe from waivers so likely won't be moved.

Leivo and Rychel on the other hand, I think one needs to go.

This trade puts Carolina at the max for contracts, but they gain Rychel who I think can play in their bottom 6 and Valiev who would likely get buried in the deep Canes D prospect pool but can fill a depth role and fill in for injuries and also seems to have some upside as well. Smith is simply a depth player, coaches seem to like him too.

Roy would be the most ideal solution to filling to void when Bozak leaves town, the only problem is that the Canes probably aren't willing to give him up too easily. Canes have a lot of prospects though, so it is possible they would trade one for some depth help in a year they look to improve.

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12 Sep 2017 11:06:16
Dbone

Chill out we watch and wait.

12 Sep 2017 13:07:30
What if the leafs signed bozak to a 3-4 year deal that was front loaded.

Resign bozak in the off season. He will take a discount for one simple reason. He wants to win and toronto is that team that will be winning now and for a long time. He's a faceoff guy and will soon be on our 4th line maybe 2 years or 3 into his new contract. I can see 3.5-4.5 mill for 3-4 years so he can be here for a couple cups/ cup runs. Front end loaded contract (Its a discount because he makes the same money but the cap goes up. )
Thinking
4.5mill year 1
4.5mill year 2
3mill year 3
2mill year 4

Averages 3.5 a yr also depends on how he performs (ps this is just a template of best case scenario)

This off season we will probably lose/ get rid of
-Leo
-Moore
-Fehr

5.5mill + JVRs 4.5 free to spend on guy Like marner and nylander

Plus lupul is finally off the books.

12 Sep 2017 20:30:41
I didn't even touch the main roster, I don't know how this trade is so bad according to David. He's the expert on here though, clearly.

Ps David doesn't watch the Leafs even play.

13 Sep 2017 00:00:49
Not sure if Bozak signs for that little. He's a bona fide 4-4.5 mil AAV centre. As a free agent he gets that easily and with term. If Lou somehow manages to do it then it's a no brainer; he's a perfect 3C.

13 Sep 2017 10:43:04
@Dbone

I like the trade, as Roy is a large body capable of some offense, and good at faceoffs. The Leafs could have taken the chance on Roy, but they elected for Jesper Lindgren.

He's certainly a 4th center at minimum, but to play 3rd line C or better on this team, he will have work on his skating and overall speed, so he might take a year or 2, which is fine.

Rychel is ready for the NHL, but, just not on this team. Not with so much competition from faster, younger players next season (Bracco, Kapanen, Grundstrom, Korshkov, Brooks, Johnsson, Timashov, maybe Moore and others) . Yes, Kapanen can play LW (Finland) . Bracco's roving style of play means you can put him just about anywhere.

Rychel would help the average Canes offense immediately. The others are decent depth pieces at low prices for the cost concious Canes.

So; to trade a prospect like Rychel, who will only get displaced soon, in exchange for a prospect like Roy, who has all the attributes of a 2nd line center if he puts it together; is a good gamble for the Leafs to take. Especially since we are giving up only minor pieces in addition to Rychel.

So a good deal by Dbone.

And it moves 3 contracts for one which offers better flexibility for making trades later.

13 Sep 2017 12:34:05
Agree with Labs analysis, good trade Dbone. Could battle Moore for the 4C job this year with potential to move up the line-up if Bozak gets moved. Well done.

 


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