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17 Aug 2018 18:13:26
I think the only quality centers in the league right now that may get traded are Kessler and Rask, and Kessler is hurt, so if Leafs want to upgrade their center Rask is the guy they go after
He is a third line Center, but next year Carolina is likely going to bring up Necas and move Aho to center, They already have Staal so I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of Rask to clear some cap space so they aren't paying him 4 mill to be their fourth line Center
Since they are interred in Kapanen and leafs are shopping Leivo and Pickard I propose this, we trade for Pesce and Rask now, then Panarin on September 13th (that was the deadline he gave to Columbus)
To Carolina:
Kapanen (with extension), 2019 1st, Zaitsev (to replace Pesce), Pickard, Leivo, conditional 4th if Pickard is claimed off waivers, retain $500 thousand of Zaitsev's contract
To Leafs:
Pesce, Rask, 2019 2nd

Then:
To Columbus:
Gardiner, Bracco, Borgman, 2020 2nd, Eamon McAdam (from the Martin trade)
To Leafs:
Panarin, 2019 6th
Or we could give Gardiner a 2 year extension and send them only him and McAdam for Panarin and the 6th, I'm fine with both
With Rask in the cold, we can bump Kadri up to 2c and move Matthews to the wing to play with Tavares and Marner, I know Matthews is a center, but just imagine that first line, it would be better then a Bergeron, Pastrnak and Marchnad line, and we could 100% do it with a guy like Panarin
Lines
Matthews/Tavares/Marner
Panarin/Kadri/Nylander
Marleau/Rask/Hyman
Johnsson/Lindholm/Brown
*Ennis, Jooris
That offence is f**king stacked
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Ozhiganov
Hainsey/Carrick
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks
Mcbackup to waivers, hopefully he isn't claimed off
Of Ozhiganov struggles, and Carrick does well, we swap the two, Holl could even come in and we could probably bring up Liljgren half way through the year if he is doing well to play with Hainsey
However if Holl, Ozhiganov, and Carrick all somehow can't cut it, we can trade for a pending FA at the dealine like Schmidt or even Myers (if the Trouba thing works itself out) to play with Dermott
Yes the defence isn't the best, but when you have a guy like Freddy in net, and that stacked offence, who needs it
Next year we bring up Liljgren, trade Marleau, bring up Grundström and possibly Moore and replace Hainsey with someone from FA (like Schmidt)
Look, each team has its strengths and weaknesses, the leafs have strength in their offence and goaltending, and a weakness in their defence, however your aren't defined by your weaknesses, you are defined by your strengths, and with the offence they have and the goaltending they have, you don't need to be the best defensive team in the league, you just have to be decent, which they are

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18 Aug 2018 01:15:52
I like the trade with Carolina for Pesce and Rask.
My question is if the Leafs send back Zaitsev then they are still short at least 1 if not 2 quality RHD.
Since Leafs are giving up Kapanen (a former 1st round pick who has developed well) and their 2019 1st I would prefer to try to include one of Carrick, Rosen or Borgman.
Maybe to make the deal a little more attractive to the Canes Leafs could give them the choice of Sparks or Picard to upgrade their goal tending.

18 Aug 2018 12:41:58
Ok, that seems fair, we send them Rosén as well.

18 Aug 2018 16:56:51
The Leafs do not need Rask and are the best 1,2,3 Centres in the league already. Do not move Matthew's to the Wing, he's a centre. Rask is garbage compared to what the Leafs have.

18 Aug 2018 17:42:05
@Toronto buds
Umm, Rask is not garbage, he is a good player just getting into his prime, he is very underrated and could be a better version of Bozak, that is not rubbish, it just isn’t Auston Matthews.

17 Aug 2018 16:40:33
Leafs final moves

F Rick Nash 34 age.

4.5 million 1 yr


F William Nylander
6 million 5 yrs


D Cody Franson
1 million 1yr


CGY F Josh Leivo
G calvin Pickard
D Andreas Borgman
F Jeremy Bracco
TOR 2 ND RD PICK 2020

LEAFS F Sam Bennett

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17 Aug 2018 18:24:12
I like the signings, the trade won't fly though.

18 Aug 2018 01:20:32
I don't see where Nash fits in the lineup with Leafs depth at wing.
His presence seems redundant!
Cody Franson is past his "best before date".
I would prefer to give one of Leafs younger RHD (Carrick, Holl, Ozhiganov) the opportunity to claim the 3rd pairing RHD position.
The trade with Calgary for Bennett would never fly.

18 Aug 2018 12:39:31
Nash has scored over 20 goals every year. He’s as steady as Mike Gartner. At minimal, we can put him on Kadri’s line where he’s an upgrade over Johnsson. If Hyman get hurt or Babcock wants to play around with the lines because of slump or underperformance, we stick him beside Matthews or Tavares. We can definitely afford him. If a perennial 20+ goal scorer makes himself available on short term low cost deal, it’s a something Leafs have to consider.

18 Aug 2018 15:24:08
@hugh Allen

I'm all for the cody franson idea. He isn't past his best before date. He just hasn't been on a team that fits his ability. Buffalo was absolutely porous on defense, and he lost out to depth in Chicago. He brings tools thebleafs don't utilize and can see a great bounce back on the second OP unit with his point shot, he had a really good corsi stat. He might be a bit slower now, but he would be a great stop holder on a 1 or 2 year 900k-1m to give time for the youngins to over develop on the marlies.

17 Aug 2018 13:45:13
Colorado Trades
Barrie

Toronto Trades
Carrick
Leivo
1st Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020

Thoughts ?

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17 Aug 2018 15:56:44
I would think Colorado would want a better main piece than Carrick. This your typical offer, 4 chunks of garbage for your good player. A career AHL'er, two late picks and a bottom pairing defenseman isn't enough to cover the downgrade from Barrie to Carrick.

18 Aug 2018 01:24:39
Barrie is just more of Gardner.
Lots of offence, no defense.
Similar to the suggestions to acquire Justin Falk another all offense no defense defenseman.
Leafs need to acquire a good defensive, RHD to play with Reilly.

18 Aug 2018 12:35:42
Aside from the fact that Salic would never even consider this trade, we also need to acknowledge that Hainsey is well past his prime. As a pending UFA, he will probably not be returned no to Leafs after this season, which means that our primary focus right now should be on acquiring a 1RHD, preferably through trade, rather than signing UFA, where the cost will be a lot higher.

We only need a plug for a couple years until Liljegren is ready. Come deadline time, there will probably be a lot more players available from teams that are not going to make the playoff and looking to re-tool. We may be able to find someone then that won’t be cost prohibitive.

17 Aug 2018 03:57:26
Having some fun so here it goes.

Toronto - Anaheim

Maple Leafs trade Nazem Kadri to the Ducks for Hampus Lindholm

Toronto - Carolina

Maple Leafs trade Jake Gardiner, Kasperi Kapenen and a 2019 1st Rd pick to the Hurricanes for Brett Pesce and Victor Rask

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17 Aug 2018 06:09:32
I like it. We are downgrading our 3C, but upgrading our defense.

Given the choice, I would much rather have Lindholm over Fowler (Lindholm is bigger, hits more, has better +/ -, and is cheaper) . Lindholm is slight downgrade offensively than Gardiner, but much better defensively. And besides, playing for the Leafs, who are an offensive dynamo compared to Anaheim, one would expect Lindholm’s points total to make a jump. I think Anaheim would make this trade with little to no tweaking. The contracts match rather well, so finances wouldn’t be an issue. Anaheim need offense, and their primary point producers are getting old and not exactly producing the way they used to. Kadri would be a welcome inclusion.

The Carolina trade I have a harder time seeing happening. Although you didn’t mention it, I assume Gardiner agrees to extension first. Gardiner is arguably the best player involved, but under no circumstances do I see Carolina accepting Gardiner in a return trade. His extension would likely come in around $6M, which is another $2M over Pesce salary. Add in Fleury’s extension and Carolina will have over $30M invested in their defense, with Bean almost ready as well. Having lost Skinner for nothing, trading Rask while bringing in Kapanen isn’t anywhere near replacing offense lost. They will be wanting forwards. Maybe someone a little more proven (Brown, Hyman, and even, dare I say, Kadri? ) .

17 Aug 2018 11:57:52
Lindholm would be a fantastic addition to the Leafs. I would hate to see Kadri go though, he brings many tangible assets for the Maple Leafs and arguably one of the best third line centers in the NHL.

17 Aug 2018 16:06:25
The Leafs would have to add to Kadri to get Lindholm. Kadri on his own isn't enough for a top pairing defenseman.

While the Carolina trade is closer, I would think the Canes would want more as they are taking a downgrade on both players, which I think would be more than just the first.

18 Aug 2018 01:32:31
As nice as it would be to see the Leafs acquire a defenseman of the caliber of Lindholm their real need is a RHD more than another LHD.
What about simplifying the whole scenario and offer Kadri to the Canes for Pesce.
Their salaries match and both teams are trading from a position of strength.
Or Kadri, Kapanen and a pick for Pesce and Rask?

18 Aug 2018 12:31:20
@Hughallen

I think Nylandermagic was trading for Lindholm in order to replace Gardiner. By all indications, Dermott is going to be our 2LHD one day, but it’s a little too early to seriously suggest he is ready for that position right now. Should Dermott suffer a sophomore slump this year, it could set back his development for another season or two. In which case, there is good reason to bring in a player such as Lindholm, rather than re-sign old Giveaway Gardiner himself and be stuck with his porous excuse for what he calls playing defense.

16 Aug 2018 16:46:25
This is just crazy, but it’s still fun

Leafs trade Brown, Nielsen, 2nd
Anaheim trades Lindholm

Leafs trade Reilly
Avs trade Makar, Jost

Leafs trade Gardiner, picks/ prospects
Columbus trades Panarin

Leafs trade Kadri, Dermott, 1st (2020)
Dallas trades Heiskenan, Gurianov

Leafs trade Leivo, Carrick, Sparks, 1st (2019)
Islanders trade Eberle

Leafs lineups next year.

Hyman/ Matthews/ Eberle
Marleau/ Tavares/ Marner
Panarin/ Nylander/ Gurianov
Johnsson/ Jost/ Kapanen
*Ennis, Jooris

Lindholm/ Makar
Heiskenan/ Liljegren
Hainsey/ Zaitsev
*Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Rasanen)

Andersen
McBackup
Sparks
Picard.

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16 Aug 2018 19:48:51
If only this would happen.

16 Aug 2018 20:29:29
Your trade with Kadri is ludicrous. Kadri alone is worth 2 prospects like that or no deal. Kadri is a C on an amazing deal with back to back 30 goal seasons.

16 Aug 2018 21:29:56
The Brown/ Nielsen/ 2nd thing is basically a meme at this point. There's an article from back in. June, I want to say? From MapleLeafsNation. com that reads "17 trades the Leafs should make" or along those lines, look it up. Pretty chuckle-worthy.

17 Aug 2018 00:24:46
@Torontobuds

Kadri alone is not worth Heiskenan. Heiskenan is the highest rated defensive prospect in the world not named Dahlin. Kadri is a 28 year old 2nd-3rd line center. Kadri’s contract is cheap, but Heiskenan will be on ELC for the same length as Kadri’s contract runs for and heiskenan can be controlled for the next decade, while Kadri is UFA in three years.

There is no way Dallas trades future Norris candidate Heiskenan unless the offer is tilted in their favor. I doubt they would even consider this proposal, especially since I stuck Gurianov in there as well.

It’s fun to dream about what could be though. If only it was that easy.

18 Aug 2018 01:36:49
Brown (a 3rd line player), Nielsen (an AHLer who will likely never make the NHL) and a 2nd for Lindholm a #1 defenseman (top 5 in the Western Conference)?
Any GM who makes that trade would lose his job.
This site is all in fun but it should at least make sense!

18 Aug 2018 03:17:46
Heiskenan looks good but he's still an unproven player though. That's taking a huge risk giving all that up for a player u have no idea will live up to the hype in the best league in the world. I'm not saying he won't be I'm just saying.
You can't denie Kadri is a good 1st line and REALLY good 2nd line C. That alone isn't cheap and then u add a future top 4 d man and a 1st.

18 Aug 2018 12:23:04
@hughallen

The Lindholm trade wasn’t mine. Mackin brought it to my attention first, and subsequently I read about it on other sites. As I indicated in my response to David, I agree the offer isn’t enough, but as this rumor seemed to have some legs to it, I simply incorporated it into this post.

@Puckit

The way I value this trade is Heiskenan >>> Dermott + 1st, so we add Kadri and ask for Gurianov back in order to balance the trade out a little.

Heiskenan is set to make his NHL debut this year. All indications point to him stepping into the league right away and becoming a dominant defenseman. It will be fun to watch bot Heiskenan and Dahlin this year and see who exactly is the better player. Not since Crosby/ Ovechkin came into the league together has two players been compared like this.

16 Aug 2018 14:27:33
Columbus Trades
Panarin

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

As a one Season rental I believe getting a 3rd line 2 way winger in Brown, a good prospect in Rasanen, plus a 1st and 2nd Round Pick in 2019 and 2020 plus a possible extra 1st Round Pick in 2020 is plenty enough to get Panarin, I will probably get backlash again on here but really it's honestly fair and helps both Teams in the big picture.

Thoughts ?

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16 Aug 2018 15:43:25
Lol. Can we stop with Panarin already.

We don't even need him.

16 Aug 2018 19:49:20
Wayyy too much for Panarin.

15 Aug 2018 21:10:57
With Ellis and Subban signed for at least 4 years, the Preds' Top 4D is set for a while. Josi is UFA in 2 years and they're LD prospect pool is light. Do you think Fabbro could be available in a year or two due to their Top-4 RD being solidified, potentially hurting his development?

Preds:
Dante Fabbro

Leafs:
Sandin
Brown
2020 3rd Round Pick

Fabbro can turn Pro whenever but I'm sure he is waiting until the most beneficial situation arises (ie an immediate Top 4 role). I think Fabbro has the making of a stud and is NHL-Ready in my opinion.

Of note is his rights could potentially expire August 15, 2020 if he finishes his degree and doesn't go pro before that. Would you rather be more patient and wait to nab him for free? Could be another Vesey situation for Poile.

Leafs potential Top 4 D in 2-3 years:

Rielly - Fabbro
Dermott - Liljegren

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15 Aug 2018 22:02:13
The logjam on Nashville's would only come into effect after Fabbro's ELC expires, so it would more than anything depend on Fabbro's thought process I would think. The Preds would have to be nuts to turn down that package for him, but at the same time I'd see it as an overpayment, unless of course Jedi Master Dubas really wanted him. I trust everything that man does at this point.

15 Aug 2018 22:45:30
I like it. And if Preds would even consider it, Leafs should pull the trigger on a deal like this. We have Reilly and Dermott for years to cover our LHD, which means Sandin would only ever be at best 3LHD, so if Leafs can move him now in order to shore up RHD, it is worth pursuing. That makes Zaitsev expendable in a couple years.

15 Aug 2018 23:39:03
Says the guy who posts trades involving half the leafs team to other teams for players that were just signed a year ago to a long term deal. And if Gardiner and 2 prospects can fetch Panarin in your posts, to say this proposal is not even close would be ridiculous, as Panarin, 1yr of control or not would be worth more than just puljujarvi (who hasn’t quite bloomed as expected yet) and Bouchard (who is a strong prospect) (most leaf 33)

Gilmour93- if they would be willing to make a trade for Faulk, who Carolina says they aren’t trading. Why would they not consider Gardiner. As he is the only one of the 2 to have a 50 point season under their belt, and when he is on the ice, the leafs are actually noticeably better. Granted when he makes a mistake it’s noticed, but that is due to his offensive style play. Over their careers they have almost identical point totals but Gardiner did it in one less season, and for some years, a much worse team.


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16 Aug 2018 00:55:50
Too much for Fabbro. He has not played in the NHL. He does not have much more value than Sandin at this point.

15 Aug 2018 20:35:10
With sekera out for season what are thoughts on this as I truly have a gut feeling that Panarin will stay put until summer and carolina will go to season with all its D and Parayko is staying put, etc. Not saying that this is the trade that needs to happen but definitely a spot that could use a defense man like Gardiner.

Leafs
Gardiner, Brown,3rd2019

Oilers
Bouchard, puljujarvi, 2nd 2019

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15 Aug 2018 21:17:08
That is terrible for the Oilers. They're giving up their top defensive prospect and a forward with much better potential for a UFA. It would be hard to come up with a worse proposal for Edmonton. Or are you counting on the Chia factor?

15 Aug 2018 21:17:11
Oilers are definitely high on Bouchard. Can't see them letting him go for a pending UFA and a depth forward. Let alone giving up Pulj and a 2nd rounder. I could see the Oilers going hard after Faulk with Pulj as the return. Without Sekera and the above trade, oilers D would be feasible;

Nurse - Faulk
Klefbom - Taylor Hall Downgrade
Russell - Benning

Not awful and Sekera goes to LTIR for cap relief.

15 Aug 2018 22:06:34
Ha oilers laugh and hang up the phone.

15 Aug 2018 23:23:55
I assume Gardiner signs extension first.

If Edmonton’s GM feels his job is in jeapordy, I can see him start to make desperation moves like this in order to make the playoffs. McDavid is wasting away over there, and for every season Oilers languish at bottom of league, is one more year closer to McDavid pulling a Tavares and leaving at his first opportunity to play for a contender.

I don’t think Bouchard is the player Edmonton would be willing to part with for Gardiner just yet, but we could probably get a decent package out of them stillinvoloving picks and other prospects not so high up on Edmonton’s depth chart.

18 Aug 2018 01:40:33
Maybe Gardner (if he signs an extension), Kapanen (one of the few players who can skate with McDavid) and a 2019 - 1st round pick for Bouchard and Puljujarvi.

15 Aug 2018 18:44:33
To Carolina:
Kapanen, 2019 1st, Zaitsev (to replace Pesce), Leivo, Pickard, conditional 2019 4th (if Pickard is claimed off waivers), possible $500,000 retained for Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Pesce, Rask, 2019 2nd if salary retained for Zaitsev, 3rd if none retained
To Winnepeg:
2021 1st, Neilson, Carrick
To Leafs:
Myers
Panarin trade still in effect, we keep our 2020 1st no matter what
2018-19 Lines
Matthews/Tavares/Marner
Panarin/Kadri/Nylander
Marleau/Rask/Hyman
Johnsson/Lindholm/Brown
*Ennis, Jooris
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Myers
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks
Hopefully Mcbackup not claimed off of waivers
Next year
Marleau to Sanjose for a 2020 3rd
Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Johnsson/Matthews/Nylander
Rask/Kadri/Grundström
Moore/Lindholm/Brown
*FA (if we somehow can we re-sign Panarin and Moore stays in minors for 1 more year and we juggle lines)
Reilly/Pesce
Dermott/Liljgren
FA(Schmidt is preference)/Ozhiganov(if he does well)
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

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15 Aug 2018 20:29:33
So Matthews and Taveras on same line. Is that what you would like to see?

15 Aug 2018 20:57:03
Yes imagine that first line, we would be able to do it with Panarin on the second line so our offence would be like so insane that nobody could touch us.

15 Aug 2018 21:21:47
No from Winnipeg. Two players we have no use for and a 1st isn't worth giving up Myers for. Especially with the Trouba situation still up in the air.

15 Aug 2018 23:26:25
But they are both Centers.

Yes you'll see them at times on the ice together. Power play mostly. But you have to break them up.

16 Aug 2018 03:08:26
Ok I understand that, but Nylander takes most of the face offs when he is playing with Matthews anyway, I honestly think Matthews would work much better as a winger, he kind of needs to work on his defeaive play anyway so center may not be the best place for him.

16 Aug 2018 11:18:35
Nylander takes offensive zone faceoffs on the right side only, in order to maintain structure and quickly establish a cycle. Babs chooses this because Nylander is a solid faceoff man and he's a rightie, not because Matthews needs someone to take faceoffs for him. Check out the numbers, Matthews was 54.5% on draws vs. 51.4% for Willy last year. Besides that, Matthews improved dramatically defensively last year. There's no reason to give up on playing him at centre, its ludicrous.

At the end of the day Babcock wants to roll four lines, not overload talent high in the lineup and open himself up to mismatches lower down the roster. Same applies to how Dubas wants to build a roster, as evident by the Marlies cup run last year.

18 Aug 2018 01:41:43
Why not just pick all the players you like off other teams and put them on the Leafs?

15 Aug 2018 18:30:38
Leafs trade Gardiner, Brown, Sparks, 1st
St. Louis trades Thompson, Bouwmeester, Parayko
*Gardiner signs extension first.

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15 Aug 2018 19:48:40
Thompson is in Buffalo. perhaps a Walman or Lindbohm seeing as Dunn might tip the scales too much in my opinion.

15 Aug 2018 19:56:45
One of those prospects along with Bou and Parayko i mean.

15 Aug 2018 20:26:46
I don't think that package would even be enough for Parayko, much less Parayko+.

16 Aug 2018 00:31:35
Definitely not my best trade proposal.

18 Aug 2018 01:42:18
Great humor!

 


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