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19 Apr 2024 23:29:36
tor: liljigren, robertson, kampf
Chi: 2024 1st (TB) (or 2025 1st (tor), 2024 3rd (ott) reese johnson
this move brings in a couple youngish peices for chicago, leafs pick up a couple draft picks and frees up some cap space for free agency.
resign edmunson 2yx2m
resign domi 3yx4m
resign gregor 1yx850k
free agent signings
montour: 4yx6m or dumba 3yx3m
pesce: 4yx5.5m
we complete revamp the dcore
reilly - pesce
mccabe - benoit
edmunson - montour/ dumba
timmins
next we need a 2/ 3C
monahan, could possibly be signed
or trade
steeves, holmberg, and 2024 1st (the worse or the 2 from the previous trade) for bjugstad and 2025 2nd (Tor)
this trade can bring is assets for a better trade deadline next season.
domi matthews marner
knies tavares nylander
mcmann bjugstad jarkrok
gregor dewar reaves
R johnson.
1.) 20 Apr 2024 03:36:39
Pesce is reportedly looking for $6.5 - $7M with term
I think I would pass on Pesce in favor of offering Matt Roy $5M x 4 years to play as Reilly’s partner.
Similarly Montour is reportedly looking for $6+ with term.
I would prefer to see Sean Walker as Leafs 2nd pairing RHD at $5M x 4 years
Dumba is a disaster defensively and doesn’t fit Leafs needs.
Reilly - Matt Roy
McCabe - Walker
Benoit - Liljegren
Timmins
I’m unsure about resigning Gregor.
He started the year off well but after 30 games or so seemed to disappear and was passed on the depth chart by McMann and Holmberg then at the trade deadline by Dewar.
I would love to see the Leafs sign one of Monahan or Henrique to be Leafs 3rd line center (depending on dollars and term) .
Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Henrique/ Monahan - Nylander
Holmberg - Dewar/ Minten/ Quillan -?
Reaves
Though Bertuzzi came on strong over the second half of the season I would prefer to see that$5.5M spent on the defense.
Kampf and Jarnkrok are expendable.
Leafs need a proper 4th line RW something Reaves is not!
2.) 20 Apr 2024 04:30:39
@WB you think Roy and Walker accept 5m as a last payday before they're mid 30s? I don't.
3.) 20 Apr 2024 12:41:28
My target of Montour and pesce is based on their defensive pk power, with Montour having added offensive style.
Pesce has an amazing take away vs give away, meaning he's goodbat passing and getting the pucks to our forwards. He kills penalties (2m/ g), and plays around 20m/ game. His points totals say no more than 6m
Montour is used sparingly as penalty killer currently at 30s/ game, with much higher offensive skill. He hits hard and blocks shots. He had only 1 season over 37 points.
Should target 1 or the other this off season.
4.) 21 Apr 2024 00:02:14
LeafLife
I think both Roy and Walker will receive $5 - $5.5 on their next contracts.
I see term being a bigger problem.
Neither one is a true, top pairing defenseman.
5.) 22 Apr 2024 05:18:10
@WB I meant to say, with that term. I believe they both take 5m as well, but want 7 years.
06 Apr 2024 17:11:02
tor: lillgren
phi: ristolainen
im not a fan of how lily has been developing. sur he has some on day but, trade him now and youll get 3 more years of ristoleinen who is a hard ditting big body RHD. hes nothing fancy, but hasn't been playing well since his ice tim ehas been cut by almost 8m a night since 3 years ago. he could look well with reilly, then we can look at say montour. I think you can get him at the right price, hes only hasd the 1 exceptional season last year, 73 points, previous high was 37 pooints.
reilly ristoleinen
mccabe - montour
edmunson - lyubushkin
benoit - timmins.
1.) 06 Apr 2024 20:10:20
I have zero interest in Risto.
2.) 07 Apr 2024 04:46:57
No thank you!
Ristolainen is definitely not the answer at $5.1 M per year.
I would rather see that money spent on Matt Roy or Sean Walker.
3.) 08 Apr 2024 14:47:11
Hard pass on Ristolainen. Much better options will be available for similar money. Edmunson and Lybushkin would be slowest pair in the league and regularly exposed by the opposition.
02 Mar 2024 19:52:10
I still like the thought of dumba coming to the leafs:
leafs bjustad, dumba (50% reainted @ arz, 25% columbus)
arz: 1st, robertson, kampf, hirvonen
columbus: leafs 2024 4th for retnetion.
leafs: roslovic 50%
clb: timmins, voit, petruzelli
knies matthews marner
bertuzzi domi nylander
jarnkrok tavares roslovic
holmberg bjugstad reaves
gregor, mcmann
reilly lyubushkin
brodie liljigren
mccabe dumba
benoit
samsonov
woll
*jones is where things get intersting, if boston ends up trading ullmark, i wouldnt be opposed to trading jones for a 3rd to boston for the home stretch.
as for gio, we have about 6/ 7 weeks left till the end of the regular season, he could be on the ltir until then. and then work him in slowly.
1.) 02 Mar 2024 23:10:26
Roslovic doesn't move the needle for me. Id rather go after jokiharju than dumba.
2.) 03 Mar 2024 00:24:37
Dumba is a team worst -14 and stylistically not a good fit with Morgan Reilly.
Roslovic is barely hanging on to a slot on one of the worst NHL teams in the league and brings nothing to the team that the Leafs need.
3.) 03 Mar 2024 15:18:51
If going to throw out stats, lets be accurate.
Dumba is not a team worst +/ - at -14.
Schmaltz and Keller are -21
Dermott is also a -14
Cooley and Hayton a -12
Kerfoot a -11
Kerfoot was a +8 in Toronto last year and a +19 with the Leafs the year prior.
Dumba's worst season in Minny was -8 last season. He also had two seasons of +15, a season at +13 and the season before last, he was a +9.
So what has +/ - told us on it's own. Pretty much nothing. It does show us that it matters what team you play on. Hard to have a bad +/ - if you have an extremely high positive goals for to goals against ratio. The Leafs don't have many regulars that are - players. Rielly is a -3, worst on the Leafs. Is Rielly our worst defenceman?
You forgot to mention that Dumba has the 2nd highest defensive zone starts of all Yotes D-men behind the other -14, Dermott. I am not trying to say Dumba has had a great season and I wouldn't want the Leafs to give up a lot for him since he is a pending UFA, but context matters over throwing out just one stat.
4.) 03 Mar 2024 17:52:45
Rlf that's for putting my sentiment into works. A good player on a rubbish team is going to look like. Arubbish player.
Dumba isn't the offensive flashy dman he was when Minny was good. He transformed his game for better responsibility. You just points on teams that have alot of trouble putting the puck in the net. Mommy's structure after 2018 changed drastically and it wasn't good for him game. Now Arizona isn't really putting him in a position to be successful. That he looks even worse. He plays alot of tough minutes for a team that just snapped a 14 game losing streak. I'd imagine he'd be a solid + player on a team that scores. And the points would come naturally if he's playing 5 of his 20 minutes with Matthews and Marner.
24 Feb 2024 23:28:55
leafs: bjugstad, dumba 50% 2024 2nd
leafs kampf, robertson, niemela 2024 4th
I think dumba is the perfect player the leafs shoudl target to play with reilly. all your hatred for him playing on a rubbish team with no offensive power. he hits, blocks shots, and will probably love the change of pace for joining a team with so much fire power. bjugstad is a huge body center with aprox 50% on faceoffs and an affodable
salt lake city gets 2 young prospect. 1 to play now, and a dman for the future. they also get kampf for 2 more years.
1.) 24 Feb 2024 23:44:12
My hate isn't for dumba it's for how much you are wanting to give up for dumba. Id give like A 4th for him maybe a bit more with retention.
2.) 25 Feb 2024 00:10:52
Honestly not a terrible trade. Getting a 2nd back with that as well. Seems pretty fair not sure who would add here. Dumba is a tough one. Sometimes he looks great and other times he looks like he is running around. But he is a physical presence and can move the puck and blocks shots. Might be worth the shot and Bjugstad would be a good add as well. Nice prop Hrenklin.
3.) 25 Feb 2024 01:10:11
dumba to me is kinda like a diet jacob trouba, hes a low cost, player to pick up and see how well he meshes. and I think his style would compliment our forward group while adding a potential weapon, hes better defensively than klingberg, and has offensive potential if he plays on a team that can actually score goals, arizona and minny have been god aweful offensively for the past few years.
4.) 25 Feb 2024 04:07:55
Dumba leads the Coyotes with an abysmal - 13 and has reportedly been the weakest defender on the Coyotes this season.
Not exactly the kind of player to play on Leafs 1st pairing with Morgan Reilly.
Reilly needs a strong, defensive, RHD to play with.
5.) 25 Feb 2024 13:28:14
Looks reasonable. All depends on Bjugstad market value.
20 Feb 2024 15:01:59
Tor: bjugstad, Dumba (50%) 2nd
Arz: Robertson, liljigren, Kampf, 1024 3rd.
1.) 20 Feb 2024 16:24:27
I cant imagine a world where Yotes say yes.
2.) 20 Feb 2024 16:35:01
Rather have Lily than Dumba.
3.) 20 Feb 2024 22:16:41
Leafs wouldn't be smart to make that trade.
4.) 21 Feb 2024 00:41:47
Terrible trade for the Leafs.
Dumba has been nothing short of a disaster this season leading the Coyotes with a gaudy -13.
I would much rather keep Liljegren than have Dumba on Leafs blue line.
Bujgstad is a good target.
I advocated for Dubas to trade for him at last years trade deadline and this past June when Treliving was throwing around Leafs $20M in cap space to Klingberg, Reaves and Kampf.
5.) 21 Feb 2024 03:21:04
@WB what is with you and +-? Johnny Hockey was a +60 a couple years ago and looks like a cap dump right now. Why do you café so much?
6.) 21 Feb 2024 12:59:51
Yes, Dumba is a -13. Back to +/ - again as a way to evaluate? Have you not thought about this at all waterbuffalo?
Dermott is a -14, Keller a -19 and Schmaltz a -17. The best +/ - on the whole team is a +4 with JJ Moser.
5 on 5 Dumba is a -8 even though his zone starts are 60% in the D-zone.
Benoit has the worst +/ - on the Leafs D-core but I can't imagine anyone saying he is the worst defender. Brodie has the best +/ - by a huge margin. He is actually 11th League wide for defencemen in +/ -. Does that make him the 11th best defenceman in the League?
Liljegren, McCabe and Gio are all tied for 62nd in the entire League. Timmins is 76th then Rielly at 122nd.
So the Leafs have the 11th and 3 tied for 62nd best +/ - amongst defencemen in the entire League. Why so much talk to upgrade the D?
New Leaf pairings according to +/ -
Brodie Liljegren
Gio McCabe
Rielly Timmins
No need to upgrade, just plan the parade.
7.) 22 Feb 2024 17:03:44
Matt Dumba is not that good of a player in my professional opinion.
8.) 22 Feb 2024 17:53:07
Waynemarner. He's not great. He's also not horrible like some make him out to be. He's a solid #4. He could be better but some of his decisions are based on being too aggressive and that holds him back from being better imo.
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29 Nov 2023 01:31:40
Anyone else starting to feel like this season is going to end up as a wash and they just trade out their UFAs to bring in assets.
1.) 29 Nov 2023 13:12:10
Hrenklin. We are basically having this discussion below. So, yea, I think a few of this could see this happening.
01 Oct 2023 20:53:55
philippe myers was placed on waivers. might be a decent pick up for a big bodied RHD.
1.) 01 Oct 2023 22:34:02
Always liked the idea of Myers as bottom pair D. jeans gave passed on him before . might be time with timmins injury . if only he used that big frame of his more than ge does.
2.) 02 Oct 2023 00:17:17
Not a big fan of Myers. I'd rather keep what we have.
3.) 02 Oct 2023 01:58:55
I've always liked P. Myers. Seemed to have all the tools etc, but just fell off the cliff. Confidence issue? The $1.4M contract is a problem.
20 Aug 2023 16:07:25
so ive ben thinking
which players would you consider trading knies for? i know hes a young prospect that doesnt look out of place on the leafs, but, we need to upgrade.
id consider knies for a few players if it came with multiple years of service
trouba: is exactly the type of player the leafs need. still has 3 years on his contrat and is NYR rangers captian so its a pipe dream.
but in a deal for like Elias lindholm (50% retained this year) at 6yr x 8m extension or 7x7 for knies and a 1st would be a considearion. or in a larger package for like bedard or something absolutely crazy.
who would you guys trade him for?
1.) 20 Aug 2023 16:38:26
I'd trade him for a lot of players. The main issue is finding a team that has a solid top6/ 4 peice, they don't want, and he has to be on a rebuilding team.
2.) 20 Aug 2023 16:55:23
Hrenklin. Good question. Definitely Lindholm would be one I would consider as long as Lindholm will extend as you said. Then it would be moving Willy for younger prospects and hopefully a D.
In a package to get Dobson, I would possibly.
He is not untouchable to me, but not far off because our prospect pool is so bad for guys with size that can play.
3.) 22 Aug 2023 18:07:26
Had to think about this one for a few days. tough thing about moving Knies is the cap issues we have. so can't just be moving knies out. would still need to move Willy out. I think I'd move move him and maybe a first for Konecny. we would not need Knies if top six is like this.
Bertuzzi. Matthews. Marner
Domi. Tavares. konecny
Then maybe Willy can be moved for a topD like Dobson and something to improve bottom 6.
4.) 23 Aug 2023 01:56:35
I agree with all here.
It's a very interesting suggestion, especially because of how his end of season/ playoffs went.
Very good topic @Hrenklin
As much as I like Knies, he could be one of many that start out fantastic, and turn to poo. It's worth a look at least.
5.) 23 Aug 2023 03:14:01
@LL I agree. likethevudea if Knies and the fact he played as well as he did just jumping onto the team and blending in so well. he's at hs highest potential in a way as everyone expects good things and he worked out well. night be time to strike when iron is hot. he plays the coaches style if hockey in a rebuilding teamwhere as my original idea of moving willy there does not fit theur rebuild. konecny wont come cheap. so maybe konecny at 50% for Knies to ertson and a 1st round pick. then move Willy ut for defensive D. I like Dobson but is he not more of an offensive Dman?
03 Dec 2022 15:51:13
Thoughts on claiming Myers from the waiver wire. 2.5m is pricy, but, we can probably make some things works once players get healthy.
1.) 03 Dec 2022 22:52:43
Leafs cannot make any waiver claim at the moment.
They have 50 contracts.
31 Jul 2021 00:21:18
So what are the leafs going to give up to get pk subban at the deadline 50% retained? I think that's the top trick up dubas's sleeve.
1.) 31 Jul 2021 06:29:41
What's the point in adding PK? Is it so he can play 3rd pair?
2.) 31 Jul 2021 11:43:40
Kyle wants everyone to see him do his stupid skating drills irl so everyone can laugh.
3.) 31 Jul 2021 12:18:14
@LG lmao.
25 Apr 2024 15:11:39
Why do people keep ignoring the Leafs need for RIGHT HANDED by constantly targetting laft handed dmen.
24 Apr 2024 01:42:42
How does that fix our most glaring need?
23 Apr 2024 20:56:07
Looks like all your trades are terrible. You're trading UFAs, mediocre prospect for massive upgrades. And thinking a player with 6 years of term no draft picks. And then you start with that Nylander trade. I personally don't want gudas.
21 Apr 2024 16:40:36
mackin, leafs dont have the salary cap to get more skill. if anything id try and trade marner, we could use that 11m to bring in 2 good defensemen and a solid 2/ 3C. bjugstad is only making a touch over 2m, hes 6'6" 49.7% on faceoffs, playing up the line up on a weak team that's moving, hes signed with arizona twice, and im not sure he wants to go play in utah. he could be 3c with marner on the right and mcmann on the left.
21 Apr 2024 15:16:54
nylander very likely to say no.
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