27 Aug 2016 02:15:52
Tor gardner kappenen/ McDermott and a 2nd

Win trouba

Tor gets a young right shot dman that would fit right in with what they are doing

Win gets a left shot dman they need that can run a powerplay good first pass great skater fills a need. Win is deep in prospects but could use wingers or good d prospect both players listed are still developing not nhl ready so they develop with the Jets style. The pick is cause I'm a big fan of trouba so you have to put a good offer forward.

1.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 04:11:49
Trouba has proven nothing so far. That purposal is ridiculous for an unproven player. For all we know Dermott or as u called him McDermott could end up being better then Trouba.

2.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 05:25:53
Why do people always stick their foot in their mouths?!. yeah that's me calling you out Puck it.do you even watch hockey?. first off I think it's a decent proposal. let's start off by saying Trouba was picked by the Jets just 4 spots behind Rielly in the 2012 draft. if you look at both of their first 3 years in the league it's pretty close. only difference is Trouba has played a few less games had a few less points but if you notice he's been a plus player all 3 years in Winnipeg!. that may mean little to some however it means he defends well for a guy usually playing on the second or third pairing behind Big Buff and Stuart and Enstrom and Myers even all the while for a team whose missed the playoffs 2 of his 3 years in the league. maybe he's not a stud per say but can he be a real good first pairing guy with Rielly!?. sure he can. if given the chance I think he could be really good. point is he's a right shot . 6 foot 3 has good vision and defends well and can probably score at a higher rate playing first pairing minutes and more powerplay time. we sometimes forget that right shot defenceman with good size and defending ability at this young age are much harder to find than left shot guys like Gardiner. just saying;). at the end of the day if this is all that the Leafs had to give up for Trouba I would make the deal in a heartbeat!.?just my 2 cents;)

3.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 07:23:09
McDermott?

4.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 08:01:22
Hard to take you serious when you spelt every players name wrong

5.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 08:18:47
Seriously, way too much for Trouba! He is regressed since his rookie year.
Gardiner and a 2nd would or atleast should get you Trouba IMO

6.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 10:24:34
Jets don't want a package for Trouba but a proven young 2/3 young left shot D-man. Don't say that's what Gardner is. He's a -16, 26 year old that still make mistakes a 20 year old d-man makes. At over $4 mil per year he just isn't worth Trouba. Seriously who would the leafs rather have?

7.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 11:26:40
Besides the fact that I have a problem with the original post, I can't believe that Jimmy Ham Sandy would say the things he did and have such a strong appeal on the smallest facts and only beliefs. Look, don't get me wrong, Trouba is a hell of a defender and he will have a long career in the NHL continuing with his success. However, I cannot believe that the original post with the players listed was serious. As of right now, Gardiner and Trouba have similar skill sets - yes most likely Trouba will excel and yes Trouba will most likely become much better than Gardiner is as of right now. However, Trouba is ABSOLUTLEY NOT
worth gardner, kapanen, dermot and a 2nd.
The leafs are becoming more and more stacked offensively and it's needed for a rebuild. Letting go quality defenceman such as Gardiner for potential future defencemen is a huge mistake. I absolutley guarantee that when the leafs draft in the top 5 next year, they will draft a defender that will be eventually be much more skilled than Trouba is as of right now and/or ever will be. Kapanen and Dermot have a strong chance of making the leaf team in the future (besides our 2nd which is not logical to let go during a rebuild) and we shoudn't waste prospects such as them.
Besides what I mentioned, Shanahan + Lou will not let any prospect go before they acknowledge 1) the player has a skill set that is already possesed by another player on the team OR 2) is not beneficial to the rebuild for the future team.
If the leafs are interested in Trouba, JVR would be a top of list as trade bait, not any prospects (as JVR has huge trade value - with contract and his potential).

8.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 11:44:22
to place value on a D man based on points is Fantasy league. Winnipeg has about 29 trade proposals to consider

9.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 15:11:27
First off ridiculous post; unbelievable overpayment. I wish I could put up a Hero Chart comparison between the two players but Gardiner is the better player (at the moment of course) and Trouba is atrocious at shot suppression.

If people are going to analyze players they should use facts/statistics to make a point. Draft order means NOTHING.

Keep Gardner and leave Trouba to the Jets to be poached off their roster next year. Jets and Leafs aren't good trading partners anyways.

10.) 27 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 16:31:07
It's certainly an overpayment for Trouba. That's 2 former 1st round picks, a former 2nd and a 2nd round pick. Not to mention Gardiner is inked to a decent contract already, which is the issue with Trouba.

Trouba would probably be a great fit to pair with Rielly, but feel the package could be more like this:

To TOR: D - J. Trouba

To WNG: D - J. Gardiner + F - K. Kapanen + 2017 3rd round pick

11.) 28 Aug 2016
27 Aug 2016 23:18:46
If you gentleman read the original post I believe it was Gardiner a second and one of either Dermott or Kapanen and not both. so that's one. second I only mentioned draft order for the hell of it and not exactly to say that it makes a difference of any kind so chillaxin on that one. lol. so now that the proposal is clearer let's all understand to get a quality young right shot dman it usually takes a bit of a overpayment. look no further than the hall larsson trade. I don't think Trouba is the end all be all but I think the proposal was sound. just my opinion.

12.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 14:19:27
Jimmy ham sandy your name alone doesn't deserve a response but here we go. Yes I watch hockey! I bet more then most of the people on here and clearly more then u. I don't care if Trouba is a plus player playing against the other teams 3rd and 4th liners. Big deal! Polak was a plus player too on the leafs. Oh and he's big and shoots right lol. The hype around trouba is a lot like luke Schenn when he first came into the nhl and we all know how he turned out. Point is u can't base a players worth on pure speculation and hype. You need facts as well. I do agree Trouba has upside but as of now he's not worth the price tag he wants or the package purposed above. I do agree GOOD right shot defenders are harder to come by but u don't give up a two 1st rounders in Kapenen and gardener a high 2nd in Dermott and another 2nd for a player just based on hype and no facts to back it up as of yet. So call me out all u want with your foolish and pointless facts! Your call out seems to be getting you called out.

13.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 17:26:12
Jimmy:

You shouldn't use the Hall trade as a reference. Chiarelli got flat out robbed. Yes Larson will be a good Dman, but that's it. He will not have the offence that most great dmen have, and will certainly never make up for a 70-80 pt star left winger who despite playing for some horrible lineups still pulled off decent production.

Chiarelli did not set a price level for RH Dmen. Most GM's are not that stupid, and will not pay that price.

The above represents an over payment and I seriously doubt Lou would make that trade.

PS: I hear the party is still going strong in NJ.

14.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 17:32:15
there is another factor on the price tag on the trade. If the jets are shopping trouba the price could be a bit lower but if the leafs were aggressively after trouba the original post is not far off.

15.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 18:51:17
Hey Puck it. if you read my post then you also read that the proposal was Gardiner and ONE OF EITHER Kapanen or Dermott and not both. plus a second rounder. it's still an overpayment I agree but it's not terrible. anywhos I may be wrong but if Trouba does get traded to whomever I will be very interested as to what the price will be. btw my friend please don't compare Like Schenn to Jacob Trouba. that's just ridiculous; )

16.) 28 Aug 2016
28 Aug 2016 20:30:18
Schenn and Trouba have some similarities. They are both big shoot right and had a lot of hype coming into the nhl but one of the guys never lived up too the hype. So all I'm saying is the same could happen with Trouba. My opinion I wouldn't give up all what was said in the above post. BTW Chirelli is a joke. He has a history of getting rid of star players (Kessel,Seguin and Hall) besides the Kessel trade he gave up Seguin and Hall for nothing.

17.) 29 Aug 2016
29 Aug 2016 04:27:11
I respect your opinion. Charielli isn't my fave gm but don't forget that he did build a Stanley Cup winner though. got to give him that.

18.) 30 Aug 2016
30 Aug 2016 00:01:33
You give him way too much credit.

Thomas, Chara, Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic, and Thornton were Bruins before Peter, and they won that cup for them. Without Thomas alone, they don't win. He stood on his head.

They haven't been the same since Thomas left for Lalaville.

And some people just get lucky. 2013; 5 minutes left. argh!.

P.S. He thought Seguin was incompatible with the team??? Although he did get a better deal than the Leafs got for Kessel.

Point is; he is a gambler; he doesn't build through the draft. He bought into a rapidly improving team in the summer of 2006, just like he did with Edmonton last summer. Someone else did all the drafting previously. And then he gambles, and shoots for the heavens and lands a Devil. Of course, he just shot Oiler fans in the heart.

Only he doesn't have the goalie he needs.

You know! .

Anderson!

19.) 30 Aug 2016
30 Aug 2016 08:16:46
Why is everything an argument with you dude. lol. he helped draft Lucic and he signed Chara as an unrestricted free agent himself. without Chara they're nothing so don't even start;). oh right and he fleeced us by giving us Kessel for Seguin and Dougie. another bad move I suppose your going to say?;).plus he added other players along the way. he built the team so stop it already!. lol

20.) 30 Aug 2016
30 Aug 2016 23:19:56
I argue? You didn't even read the first paragraph let alone anything else in it's context.

Peter didn't sign on until July 15, after the draft of Lucic. Chara was already with the team and decided to stay, that had little to do with newbie Peter.

I have no qualms about agreeing he fleeced Brain Dead Burke. And as I said above, he got a better return for Seguin than the Leafs got for Kessel.

He gave up tons of quality players, gambling (I mean c'mon Wheeler?)

Yes, you can say he built a winner; or you can take a look at how terribly bad the eastern conference was at the time and rate it accordingly.

He just plain lucked out. Thomas pretty much won it all by himself, and it should only be his name on the cup.

Trades Seguin?

He screams about needing defence and takes Puljujarvi? Oelulevi, Sergachev, and others all available, and he takes a forward? You think Pul is going to get 80 pts. Bloody lunacy.

Bring out the pitchforks! Run him out of town! Connors got to be looking to get out of that 10 year mess as soon as possible. Maybe he should just bolt to the KHL?

On the other hand, maybe a really good Dman will become available and he'll get traded for him. Freedom at last!

So what's it going to be this year last place, last place + 2pts.

10 years running and they hire Chiarelli. Idiots. When 11 years without a playoff appearance happens; run all of them out of town, including the front office. Rebuild the whole system.

Happened in Toronto, and while it will be painful here for quite a while yet, it is a refreshing restart right now; knowing the morons have been booted out of the building, and professionals have finally been hired.

21.) 30 Aug 2016
30 Aug 2016 23:21:54
P.S. Trouba > Schenn, but not by much.

22.) 31 Aug 2016
31 Aug 2016 03:02:25
Glad you agreed finally!!. only took about 2000 words and a whole lotta rhetoric but you got there.

23.) 01 Sep 2016
31 Aug 2016 22:33:37
No, no one has to give Chiarelli credit for that cup just because his name is on it.

There are a lot of names on that cup who were bench riders, injured, players, those having detrimental impacts, and those who never saw the ice in the playoffs.

The bulk of the team was already there Pete was just along for the ride.

24.) 01 Sep 2016
01 Sep 2016 07:44:04
Sure you keep believing that lab.

25.) 02 Sep 2016
01 Sep 2016 22:24:40
Like I said, the party is still going on in NJ.

Dallas is pretty happy.

Pittsburgh is happy (groan).

Oh Yeah! I almost forgot! Captain Wheeler is extremely happy!

And they haven't won anything since Thomas left.

I'm pretty happy.

McDavid; probably not so much!

26.) 03 Sep 2016
03 Sep 2016 03:28:08
There's no party going on in New Jersey and we'll see how awesome that defence is this year without their best defenders. as for the Oilers I could care less. Chiarelli still did plenty for that cup run. just because you don't agree doesn't make it less true.

27.) 05 Sep 2016
05 Sep 2016 12:11:53
Just because you think that, doesn't make it true.

The Bruins should have won more cups, not just one. But Pete screwed up by trading away stellar players for players that didn't contribute. The players that won the cup for the Boston were the players already there, brought in by Gorton and O'Conell.

Now, Pete has the chance to trade down in a 13 Dman draft, get a stellar defencemen, and add extra picks at each step down. No, what does he do? He picks the unproven Finn, and then right after trades the 24 yr old, "proven", 1st overall, 80 pt LW who's delivered every single year; for an average Dman who was picked 5th in a bad draft year and has yet to deliver anything stellar.

Blind, stupid, and pathetic. Edmonton needs to unload him now. Pete is a one man, team wrecking crew.

And yes, he was just along for the ride in Boston. The ride downhill which started well before he left.

He is now waging destruction in the west.

Why on earth do you think Vessey didn't choose Boston; it's a mess, a mess created by Pete.