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06 Dec 2016 09:34:26
As a few of you (who check on this site often, like myself) might remember, I posted about a week ago or so mentioning how I strongly disagree with trading away Nylander. As a side note, although Babcock did mention after hearing about the rumours that he believes Nylander is a part of the future of the team, I'm starting to open my mind to possible trade possibilities for him.
An obvious couple team candidates to be interested in would be D men from Anaheim (such as Fowler or Lindholm) or trading with the Islanders-> who apparently have had talks with the leafs recently.
I still think that Nylander has a very large trade value and I would think that Shany and Lou wouldn't let him go unless they are offered a good price.
SO, I think the Minnesota Wild could be a team to be trade partners with involving Nylander. The Wild have a solid set of top 9 forwards, and as of right now they WILL lose a good forward to Vegas. It makes sense to them to receive assets back, especially assets that they can hold onto for the future, for players (such as Zucker, Niederreiter, or Haula) that they may lose for absolutely nothing in the expansion.
Leafs need D, so as well as one of the Wild's forwards, the leafs could target a solid D man of theirs - such as Dumba (who I think has tremendous upside) .
Proposing:
Leafs - Nylander, Kapanen/ Leipsic, 4th 2017, 3rd 2018
Wild - Zucker, Dumba, 2nd 2017
My exact trade might be a little iffy, and I'm thinking it myself too, but I could really see Minnesota being a trading partner for Nylander so I wanted to open the discussion about them for him.
1.) 06 Dec 2016 09:47:33
makes sense minnesota would be interested in this but since like u said they're going to lose one of their players for nothing, why are we offering so much for those 2 and a 2nd? you literally said you think nylander has a good trade value and honestly to me this trade seems like a win to the wild. change the 2nd from them to a 1st and maybe add in a prospect of theirs and it would start to make more sense.
2.) 06 Dec 2016 10:04:56
agree with chukky, minnesota seems good but the trade you said doesn't make too much sense. niederreiter could be an awesome fit for the leafs and he plays a similar game to jvr so if we do end up letting him go, niederreiter can eventually replace him for what we need. maybe something like
wild: niederreiter, dumba, 1st 2017
leafs: nylander, leipsic (would rather keep Kapanen cause I think he has potential), 3rd 2017, 4th 2018
both niederreiter and dumba can immediately join the leafs lineup and could be a good fit
{Ed's note - agreeing with chukky is probably something to do with being the same person, as you have the same IP address.}
3.) 06 Dec 2016 20:41:10
Makes no sense to trade nylander. When you have aging talent that contracts expire after next season that's who you trade. Top 6 guys that could be are Kapanan Leipsic and Bracco. So can anyone please tell me where JVR,Bozak and Komarov fit in future.
4.) 06 Dec 2016 20:49:43
That's awful trade and where would leafs play Zucker. Your giving up tons of promise for good defenceman not a top pairing guy. Best leafs wait Brodin might be available from wild on the cheap as he may have to be exposed in expansion draft.
5.) 06 Dec 2016 23:05:54
Nederreiter and dumba AND a first
Gonna have to give up more than Nylander and Leipsic
30 Nov 2016 09:07:58
As a few have already touched on, trade rumours between Calgary and Toronto continue to pop up. I believe it was bob mckenzie (not exactly sure, don't hold me to it) that mentioned how the Calgary GM Treliving was at the Toronto and Washington game on saturday and as well the Toronto director of scouting and also Dubas was at the Calgary and Philly game this past sunday.
Dougie Hamilton is the obvious candidate that Toronto may be looking at and it makes sense as to why both Toronto may be interested in him and how Calgary may be wanting to achieve other assets for the player (hasnt provided the talent for them that they were looking for in the trade for him) . I continue to see posts about JVR being involved in a trade for him and I pray pray PRAY that Lou doesn't let that happen. No nhl team will win with only young players - JVR is a perfect leader for our gifted prospects and he has proven to be both a leader and a great point getter. I could go on and on about how I strongly believe JVR should stay with the team, but rather I want to focus on who Calgary may look at in a trade if JVR isn't involved in it. Kapanen is a solid player and he will be in the nhl one day, no doubt about that (plus the leafs are loaded with right wingers - marner, bracco, brown, hyman, soshnikov) . I think Kapanen should be the main trade piece in a proposal for Dougie. As well as him the leafs could add Leipsic and the highest available pick from one of their 3 second rounders that they have available. SO, my proposed trade is:
Calgary - Dougie Hamilton
Toronto - Kasperi Kapanen, Brendan Leipsic, 2nd round draft pick- (highest available - most likely the Leafs pick which could be around 32-37)
I can see how Lou would be good with this trade but the only problem I see here would be if Treliving (CCG gm) would think this would be enough. If anything, I could see adding Loov or Valiev in the mix.
How do you guys feel about it?
1.) 30 Nov 2016 11:26:08
I agree with you about JVR. the leafs need players with experience and those that could provide leadership to the young prospects and players on the roster.
the trade you said makes sense in my eyes, hamiltons trade value has dropped a fair bit because of his poor play recently and with his large contract it doesn't help much. both kapanen and leipsic could help the flames and kapanen could maybe even join the team right away by replacing hathaway on the 4th line, who hasn't really done much this season. at this point in the rebuild I don't even find it too bad letting go a high second round pick, since the leafs have a extremely solid list of prospects that are already close to cracking the leafs lineup.
overall I agree with the trade proposed, makes sense to me in the eyes of the leafs as well as for the flames.
2.) 30 Nov 2016 16:44:17
I agree with regards to JVR but he has this year and next left on his deal and they will get more for him now than they would as a rental next year. That being said, I still don't want to see him traded. With regards to Hamilton, one does have to wonder what the issues are with him. If he is as good as he is supposed to be, why did Boston get rid of him and why would Calgary be considering it? Is there an underlying problem with the kid?
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13 Dec 2016 07:16:25
Doesn't have to do with the leafs, but of course as Canadian's all of us have been thinking about it - I rewatched the McDavid injury from last year including Brandon Manning about 4 times over and over and regardless about what each other said on the ice in the game the other day, there is 0 chance Manning meant to cause the injury. McDavid lost his edge, falling into the boards, and as McDavid fell it caused Manning who was on him to fall on him to - pushing pressure onto McDavid and onto his shoulder on the boards.
Everything that happened in the media in the past few days regarding this was nonsense, Manning used whatever he said on the ice this to get under McJesus' skin during the game and it worked perfectly.
It kills me that TSN and SportsNet can keep having pretty much a fake conversation about whether the hit from LAST YEAR was intentional or not, just goes to show you that the people working there are either ridiculously stupid or that they have absolutely nothing to talk about.
30 nov 2016 09:36:31
this is a notice to all the posts involving a nylander trade:
the kid has tremendous talent and just because out of the 20 games he's played this year where he had a poor game does not mean he will have a bad career. he is not a player that is focused on a strong backcheck which some of you may be judging him on, he is a player that will continue to provide offensive opportunities over and over. he has ridiculous potential and it is absurd to even think of a trade involving him for the next couple years. if in 3 or 4 years he hasn't put up 50-60 points in a single season, then yesss - think about trading him. but please please please don't judge the player who hasn't even fully adjusted to the nhl game style yet, on his limited time that he is played.
it just really saddens me when i see nylander trades.
1.) 30 Nov 2016 15:04:15
You must be his press agent.
He has played 161 pro games. You have to get it out of your head that there is only the NHL.
It makes me really happy when I see trades for any player. The greatest hockey player ever, got traded.
I would trade Nylander for Hamilton and throw in a prospect. That's how much I like Hamilton, and that's how much we need him or a player like him.
Get over him; seek counseling.
2.) 30 Nov 2016 23:30:11
I love it when I see Nylander trades!
3.) 01 Dec 2016 16:01:17
133pts and a +13 in those 162 pro games. If Nylander is showing to be a bit inconsistent, it doesn't mean you trade him automatically. He is still a kid at the end of the day and needs to be taught. Look at Kadri, he's never looked as good as he does now, people develop their games at a different pace. Nylander clearly has the offensive touch and hockey sense but needs to develop other areas of his game. It doesn't mean you just give up on him and trade him. Look what's happened over the years when we made holes to fix holes. We ended up with years of agony. Give the kid a chance. It's too early to trade him. The leafs aren't a cup contender in the next year anyways. Let him develop and teach him, then maybe when you've increased the value you think about trading him. And the best player in the game was traded when the value was highest. Not because he's had a few hiccups
4.) 01 Dec 2016 23:57:14
Nobody is discounting his offense. But he isn't Ovechkin is he? And his playoff performances are just average.
If by hockey sense do you mean feed the puck to Matthews? We will see how many 4th line points he gets with 4th line players.
These are not hiccups. These issues are a total disregard for playing without the puck. The Leafs have offense with or without Nylander. Getting a #4 Dman for the RHS is the biggest priority for this team.
Chiarelli knows this and unfortunately made one of the most lopsided trades 1 for 1 in history. But his approach is working, and the Oilers are doing well.
It is much better to get this D without having to give up Gardiner. Then you can pack D prospects in the minors and let them grow. This is what Anaheim does. Culling the herd when necessary.
18 Oct 2017 09:13:57
Not going to even touch the first couple trades with 1. how unbelievabley dumb they are + 2. zero likelihood of them happening but for the third:
Kapanen alone is worth more than DeBrusk, despite the fact they're similar players and that I honestly believe Kap is better, it's a stupid proposal. The only reason Kapanen isn't playing with the leafs is because of the depth that the leafs have on the wing (as well as Babcock believing a veteran presence is needed - ex. Komarov) .
18 Oct 2017 08:49:49
Makes 0 sense for either team. Parakyo is doing very well where he is and so is Nylander. Doesn't make sense for a team to trade a player that is not only loving where they're playing, but performing as well. Obviously Parakyo would be an awesome addition for the leafs, but a player like Nylander has so much upside that it's not worth jeopardizing.
17 Oct 2017 05:55:53
Honestly makes more sense to Buffalo than Toronto for me. JVR was drafted 2nd overall, knowing he was going to be an elite power forward with hopes that he could produce like he showed with USNTDP. To me he has done just that. JVR isn't flashy but he is a strong player and able to get those 'cheap' goals consistently. Buffalo doesn't really have a player like that (Okposo is more of a stay back and shoot player than drive + O'Rielly has gone downhill ever since coming to Buffalo) and I can believe that Buffalo's GM, Botterill, can see him excelling with the likes of Eichel.
To me JVR has proven that the use of a 2nd overall pick for him was definitely worth it (and as a side note unbelievable Philly traded him for Luke Schenn) .
^^What I'm saying is that a player like JVR is someone you can find within the top 3 picks in the draft. Even if Buffalo is low in the draft, a 1st for JVR makes sense because a player like JVR is WHAT YOU GET for a top 3 pick.
I'm just not sure the Leafs are willing to wait for the player they draft (in this scenario) to develop and become a performer on the team that is looking to excel in the next few years.
13 Jan 2017 12:11:03
one can dream, stick to NHL17 buddy
13 Jan 2017 12:04:17
Leafs have absolutely no need for bouramman - have players with more skill and potential with what he offers, greenway is a potential NHLer that may work out but is highly debatable, and the leafs have already passed on on pulkinnen when he was on waivers. To think the leafs would be trading JVR for this trade is ridiculous, and I don't even want to begin talking about how with this already terrible trade you believe the leafs should also retain 50% of his contract. In no way does this trade benefit the leafs and I have to believe that you are a Habs fan to propose this.
15 Jan 2017 05:27:36
Can understand your thinking as Seabrook is solid as of NOW, but just think about this - yes, the leafs are doing ok recently but Babcock keeps saying that he wants the team to be in their prime in 4 years. If this trade happened, Seabrook would be 35 by then and already on the decline.
Like I said I can see what you're thinking because Chicago was recently linked to JVR, but Seabrook wouldn't be the right asset for the leafs in my mind. I can imagine the Blackhawks want JVR since he would be exactly what they need for Toews, but I can't see a D man from Chicago that would benefit the leafs enough for the long run and that's exactly what the leafs are looking for if they're shopping JVR.
Don't see a trade involving JVR and Chicago actually happening.
30 Nov 2016 09:28:16
I agree with your post, as well as disagree with your post. There are certain young guns that the leafs can afford letting go, and there are certain older guys that they could trade for potential as well. But it can also be seen as vice versa, for example I HATE trades involving JVR and I HATE trades involving Nylander. JVR is a proven leader for this team and Nylander has tremendous potential and I can easily see this guy thriving in the nhl in the near future. Drafting talent to build a team can only get you so far, and tough trades have to happen to make the team as strong as possible. No team in the NHL will ever win the cup solely from young guys, and that's why teams need to hold on to some older talent or even trade for them. I said I agree with your posting because I can see a few older guys, such as Bozak (which is hard because he's having a great year thus far), being traded for potential in different positions/different roles. However, I also disagree with it because young prospects often have a large trade value, and if it is needed a young prospect may need to be traded in order to strengthen a different part of the team (such as Kapanen, as he continues to excel which will further his trade value but because of the leafs roster there isn't much space for him as a RW). Every team in the NHL that looks to competing for a cup need to balance the team between young talent and older leadership (+ talent).
Does that make more sense to you now?
30 Nov 2016 09:12:40
I listened to a few radio shows where Bob McKenzie talked about him. The trade value for him is very low as the leafs have showed how they have limited interest in him - which makes it hard to receive a trade for him. As much as I don't want to see it (since I love Holland and as a small note he went to the same highschool in Bolton as me), I highly doubt the leafs could receive much in return for him. The only way I could see him being involved in a trade is if a team believes if he was put on waivers a team above them would grab him before they got the chance to, but it would be a small price affected to whatever team that is. I would be extremely happy if the leafs could pick up a 4th rounder from any team for him, but honestly I believe even that is being hopeful.
20 Oct 2016 07:48:08
I see where you're coming from, Bracco has shown a lot of potential in the O and has showed off his playmaking skills. But also remember the O is a league where players often tend to rack up their numbers. Marner for example put up over 100 points 2 seasons in a row and last year, the year after Bracco got drafted, he only put up 64. I'm not saying that 64 points isn't an impressive output, but it's hard to imagine a guy like him playing his current game in the nhl. He's off to a great start this year however and we'll see where it goes, but I'm not fully sold on the guy.
16 Oct 2016 17:20:16
I fully understand what you're saying. In a perfect world Babcock would have showed up after this year, so the Leafs with whatever coach could have another low pick in the draft and draft a solid defenseman. Babcock is an amazing coach, he will push his players to their maximum potential, and with that comes some results. If they push themselves to their absolute max, I see a wildcard place for the playoffs and a first round exit. Detroit did that over and over for a few years with Babcock, as he would get the best out of his players to play well, but they simply didn't have the skill to overpower other teams. I'm scared that'll happen with the Leafs. They'll continue to reach a low spot in the playoffs, but don't have the firepower to push them much farther. As for the core like you mentioned, we have a solid core - no question - with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Rielly, the team does show some upside in the future. But I have to agree in how I believe too that they should add another D prospect. The leafs have solid forward prospects, but like you said I don't think they have enough solid D men to be strong enough. I see the leafs finishing about 8-10th last this year, and I hope with that comes a good D prospect that can benefit these leafs. I guess we won't know until we see, but just hoping for the best! Love my leafs.
Solid post ggraham!