10 Sep 2018 17:38:02
Kadri for Pesce

2018-19

Reilly - Pesce
Gardner - Zaitsev
Dermott - hainsey

Nylander third line center

Extend and trade gardener at deadline and bring up liljegren. Move Dermott up with zaitsev and move hainsey to left side to play with liljegren.

1.) 10 Sep 2018
10 Sep 2018 17:45:00
Add Staal and a pick from Carolina to replace Kadri and like Carrick and Bracco from the leafs and it’s good.

2.) 10 Sep 2018
10 Sep 2018 18:03:21
Good thinking, but Dubas says no. A 30 goal scorer who primarily centered Marleau and Komarov and has a team friendly contract won't be going anywhere just yet, not unless there is some value added for leafs.

3.) 11 Sep 2018
11 Sep 2018 03:49:24
Pesce isn’t good enough value for Kadri?

Mostleaf is correct. This is only half a trade. We can’t trade Kadri unless we are bringing in someone to replace him. Staal or Rask would be the obvious choices in this scenario.

4.) 11 Sep 2018
11 Sep 2018 03:57:49
JODES

I like your thinking it's just a bit early . Leafs will be in a position to move Kadri soon if the rewards in doing so are a major win. By next season leafs have up to 4 more players knocking on door and I see the exit of Marleau 4 cash reasons

Bracco
Brooks
Grundstrom
Marchment

3 wingers and a center this would allow 3019-20 to move Nylander to center and add three wingers to lineup. Brooks becomes 4 th line center

Next season

Hyman Matthews bracco
Marner Tavares Kapanan
Johnson Nylander Grundstrom
Brooks cebtering 4 th line

But the return for Kadri would have to much more than you suggest.

5.) 11 Sep 2018
11 Sep 2018 00:24:27
Thinking move Nylander down into the 3 spot. I like Kadri but need that right d. Put Nylander with Kapanen and Johnnson. Matthews with Marner. Tavares they say improves anyone's stats. So I would like to see that. Put Marleau with him for now. Hyman and brown fill those 2 lines in. Not perfect but I like that third line. Imagine that against other thirds.

6.) 11 Sep 2018
11 Sep 2018 00:28:50
Like to see Gardiner and Zaitsev go too. Maybe let Zaitsev rebuild value (hopefully) . Dermott up with him. Hainsey and Carrick bottom pair. Question is who for Gardiner. I say add more scoring. Even for one year. Go Panarin for Gardiner (add any extras u want) . Assume both agree to extensions. Trade Panarin after one Stanley cup run. Like to see them be bold!

7.) 11 Sep 2018
11 Sep 2018 06:33:20
Staal is a downgrade from Kadri on the ice, with a more expensive and longer term contract. Major pass on Staal.

I think Kadri for Pesce is fair value, but I don't think it actually makes the Leafs better. The current group of centres is a matchup nightmare for literally every other team in the league, and losing that advantage isn't worth having a more well-rounded defense. Plus adding Tavares and removing Bozak/ JVR already improves the forward group defensively.

8.) 11 Sep 2018
11 Sep 2018 17:08:16
That comment of Tavares makes people better I'd like to see Leivo get a shot on his wing. See if he can make him have some value for us.

9.) 12 Sep 2018
12 Sep 2018 01:35:49
While I appreciate and understand the input, I am always confused on this site.

It seems to me that there is general agreement that we need a right d to play with Reilly. If I am wrong there fine. But if true and u want something half decent, u give something up. I like Kadri but if he is the price for that guy, so be it.

I hear well Kadri is part of the three headed snake. Well is Nylander not a good option. If there were match up nightmares before, with him there it would be very hard offensively to match.

Just my 2 cents. 200% happy to give Kadri up for that d man. And as I said, if Liljegren and Dermott can play second pair next year, u would only have $12m invested. Lower cost bottom pair and u r looking at $16m for the entire defence. Trade Gardiner. Bring Inna Panarin type player. Can then afford him format least 2 years. Go for it.

10.) 12 Sep 2018
12 Sep 2018 04:50:14
I don’t disagree with you at all Jodes. If we are going to bring someone in for RHD, it will not be cheap. It’s basically either Nylander or Kadri that goes. Nylander will buy a top notch a-one defenseman (Montour, Manson, Risolainen, Parayko, etc), while Kadri will probably buy you a player on the next tier down (Pesce, Vatanen, Braun) . I would rather downgrade 3C then 1RW. I don’t know if moving Nylander to center is the solution. I think that would seem like a downgrade at both 3C and 1RW. 3C are fairly readily available. Kadri is more like a 2C or even a 1C, and is overqualified.

Liljegren looks fantastic. But can we afford to wait for him to develop? We only have Tavares for 7 years. If we waste two more years getting Liljegren on the top line, the window of opportunity starts to close rapidly. I think moving Kadri is probably the right choice as well. I like Pesce, and think the value is fair. It’s a good proposal and I’m all for it.

11.) 12 Sep 2018
12 Sep 2018 14:59:29
While I agree 3Cs are available, centres at the level of Kadri are not. Rental wingers are always available at the deadline, so to me trading Nylander is a move that would be easier to make up for somehow, plus Willy would bring in a superior player.

That being said, I do not advocate either move. I'd be way more excited about trading small assets for a right-shooting borderline middle pair D-man who could solidify that group, as opposed to subtracting a big piece sonewhere to improve somewhere else a la Kadri for Pesce or Nylander for Manson.

12.) 12 Sep 2018
12 Sep 2018 18:08:29
Leafs gm

Trading for panarin doesn't address any downgrade at wing?