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18 Dec 2018 21:56:17
Christmas wish list.
1. A Good RHD to give Hainsey a few breaks. Poor guy was tired out by the end of last year and needs some rest to be better effective.
2. As good as Gardiner is, move him because the fans don't want him. This promotes Dermott and hopefully Borgman for added grit.
3. Keep Kapanen, he will only get better.
4. A scrappy winger for Matthews line able to score a few on his own.
5. The Stanley Cup.
Merry Christmas all, or happy holidays. Hopefully Santa Dubas can fulfill all.
1.) 19 Dec 2018 14:22:48
What I disagree with:
Who says nobody likes Gardiner, I like him, and Dubas has repeatedly said he likes his game and won't move him. The guy has 21 points in 34 games and is a +14, he's definitely NOT a guy I would trade if I was planning to go all-in for the cup.
I wouldn't get a scrapy winger for Matthews because we could just put Hyman on that line. I know who you mean, Simmonds, but honestly I would rather get a guy like Nyquist who is an actual LW who could put up some serious points playing with Matthews and Nylander.
What I agree with:
Well, the RHD one is obviously something the leafs need to address if they want a shot at the cup, which I also want
I agree to keep Kapanen this year if we can. If we get a LW then we can deal Johnsson and Brown, possibly in different deals, for one or maybe 2 RHD. If it's two trades I would say Zaitsev is involved.
09 Nov 2018 20:48:23
Carolina. Faulk and Pesce
Toronto. Nylander and Johnsson plus a low pick.
Nylander is a star with potential of superstar, and Johnsson has incredible upside too.
Unfortunately our buds will lose every nylander trade. I am betting he will be close to Marner skills.
1.) 09 Nov 2018 23:21:01
I don't think that Carolina or any team for that matter can afford to give up two starting RHD and not get one back.
Maybe Nylander and Zaitsev for Pesce and FAulk.
That said Pesce is a 3rd pairing RHD and Faulk a 2nd pairing RHD .
Leafs are giving up by far the best player. One of Carolina's top young prospects would have to be included in the deal.
Necas, Nick Roy or Julien Gauthier.
2.) 09 Nov 2018 23:34:15
As much as Nylander will be great and as much as no matter what the leafs lose in any deal involving Nylander I truly think Carolina says no to this as it takes 2/3 of their defensive right side away.
I think the value may be as close as it could come but depleting any teams defence like that is career killing for any GM.
Your analysis of Nylander is pretty good though.
09 Oct 2018 16:17:30
Gardiner signed plus 1st or 2nd for Parayko. Blues need more offensive output and have the RHD to cover Gardiners Giveaways. Leafs don't have a RHD yet that can cover.
The pick is just to try and make it happen. Gardiner was a plus dman with ten or so more points than Parayko, but I think the leafs can afford this trade.
1.) 09 Oct 2018 17:24:57
No chance. It would take a lot more than that to land Parayko.
2.) 09 Oct 2018 17:46:01
I don’t think it’s as far off as memarcujoe suggests. Gardiner carries more value for Blues because he fills a glaring need. Right now Blues are relying on Dunn, Bouwmeester, Butler. All are decent players, but Bouwmeester and Butler are very quickly closing in on the end of their careers, and believe it or not, Giveaway is still the better player than Dunn.
Leafs have to add. But it’s more of a tweaking in my opinion then a major piece missing.
3.) 09 Oct 2018 22:51:19
Well mema, not certain I could agree. Gardiner a better plus minus. Gardiner a Plus, Parayko a minus. Adding a high pick overvalues Parayko. And adding Parayko and losing Gardiner adds minus to leafs, and adds plus to blues. don't just talk feeling, make me believe it with fact.
4.) 09 Oct 2018 23:05:07
You aren't serious right? Plus, minus ratings. Probably the most useless stat ever.
If Gardiner is so good, why are Leafs fans continuously trying to pawn him off? Is it because he isn't good defensively? So, what is in it for the Blues to downgrade their defense? A first round pick?
Everyone here sees all the threads about what a disaster defensively Gardiner is, yet you want a team to give you a good, defensively responsible defenseman for him.
I can't see the Blues having any interest in this trade.
5.) 10 Oct 2018 00:02:41
Can everyone please stop signing Gardiner than trading him. Gardiner will never sign his next deal without some sort of NTC. This is what free agents at age 27 about to sign their biggest deal want stability. Players signing NTC/ NMC usually sign a bit less per year for this stability. Gardiner like many players entering their 1st UFA payout in the past get the clause if they are 5+ million dollar players.
RFAs can't get this clause so please don't try to argue that end of it because until a guy reaches his UFA status no clauses can be issued. NTC is a huge item in negotiations. If a player signs 5 years or greater right after their ELC then from year 5 on can have these clauses. It takes 8 years to get these clauses. hence why bridge deals are so popular. team gets a 2-4 yr look at u before choosing To keep u longer plus player gets 2-4 years to prove their worth. risk both ways.
There is a chance the team can ask him for a sign and trade. However, like most athletes probably won't accept because why would you want to lose assets that could help your new team win with when you could just go there without any assets leaving.
Next, Gardiner if he doesn't choose or the team choose for him to stay, why on Earth would he allow the Leafs to choose his destination for him. His right of a free agent is to go to whom he chooses
In closing, if the Leafs deal him it will be by or before the deadline. No extension which means u either package him with others to get RHD or you trade him for prospects and picks or you sign him to a dumb deal or just let him walk. thankyou.
6.) 10 Oct 2018 00:37:04
Very well said Craigger.
7.) 10 Oct 2018 02:05:58
So you're saying he can't have a limited no trade clause and be traded for a better return than if he wasn't resigned.
8.) 10 Oct 2018 04:56:34
Looking at Leafs last couple games, it would appear the whole team has absolutely no interest in playing defense anyway. This is an offensive powerhouse, and Leafs are living the best defense is a good offense philosophy.
We should just dump Gardiner on the first team that offers us a 1st and a prospect. I would rather get something for him than let him walk. Dubas won’t trade him at all though unless he feels it increases our odds at winning the cup this year. The rebuild is over and Leafs have officially entered win now mode.
As much as I hate to say it, Gardiner is likely finishing the year in a Leaf uniform.
9.) 10 Oct 2018 08:07:42
@lgm hundred percent. Looks really unlikely Gardiner gets traded.
25 Sep 2018 22:51:50
Ottawa is falling apart. They put Zach Smith on waivers, Traded Karlsson for dreams, and the team itself is ticked with management.
Quote from Duchene regarding putting Smith on Waivers: "Its like getting kicked in the balls".
Toronto: Cody Ceci
Ottawa: Kapanen and two picks.
This addresses RHD for Toronto, gives Ottawa a speedy 2nd liner and possible prospects for future. I am not adverse to adding a prospect althouh at a minus 27, Ceci might not be a good trade magnet for leafs.
I would like to see other ways of taking advantage of Ottawa.
1.) 26 Sep 2018 01:54:55
Zacha Smith sucks and so does Cost Ceci. Leafs pass on this one.
2.) 26 Sep 2018 10:58:50
Some players just look bad on bad teams
Cody Ceci was actually a good dman when Ottawa was a good team
It's possible he becomes a solid dman on a solid team
Ceci is worth risk of trying out beside Reilly.
3.) 26 Sep 2018 19:44:34
Youre paying to much though for a maybe, you offer timashov and 2 picks.
04 Sep 2018 16:54:07
Ottawa trades Karlsson. (He has been quoted to have said he wouldn't accept a trade to Any Canadian Team) But winners would be on his list.
Leafs trade 1st round pick, Gardiner and Nylander. Probably a prospect plus another lower round pick. Too little?
1.) 04 Sep 2018 17:53:19
No that’s enough, it a perfect balance but.
The thing is, the leafs cap situation wouldn’t allow them to re-sign Karlsson, yes maybe if you were to clean house a bit (trade Marleau and Zaitsev)
I think leafs need to trade for someone to replace nylander before they trade him away, like Eberle or even if possible Panarin, just so their offence stays strong, I only think Kapanen is ready for a top 6 role, although he may be after this year, which is something the leafs need to consider.
2.) 04 Sep 2018 19:53:51
It was I don’t think Kapanen is ready.
3.) 06 Sep 2018 01:05:13
You want to win, you have to score the goals. As our team sits this moment, we don't need this trade. It makes more sense to wait and see. But many of you under value your assets.
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06 Dec 2018 16:50:07
If stats alone determines a players worth, Kadri would be the first to be traded. He is a minus nine while all other leafs are a positive. At 16 points, what can we get for Kadri?
1.) 06 Dec 2018 18:49:05
Still on pace for close to 25 goals and 50 points. I’ve always said Kadri is being underutilized in that 3C position, that he is really a 2C on most teams. Sure, he’s very good defensively, but is never going to be seriously considered for a Selke Trophy. If Leafs chose to go that route, Kadri’s contract makes him very attractive as well.
I’ve suggested a Faksa for Kadri trade a few times, Dallas adds, and I still think that’s a decent basis. Something along those lines. Faksa having a bit of a downer year himself, so would not be buying high on Faksa and selling low on Kadri either.
Something alongside those lines makes sense to me anyway. We bring in a sound defensively minded guy and some futures. Just my opinion of course. Everyone has there own ideas about what’s best for the team. I hope more people respond to this, because I’m interested to see what others thinking about Kadri themselves right now.
10 Nov 2018 21:31:11
NHL has Gardiner ranked 23rd however He is unsigned. Everyone is trending for a trade for Josh Manson, a RHD with great contract and ranked 34th on same website. We all mostly agree with trading Gardiner, and obtaining Manson.
How about trading Gardiner, 1 mil retained and a conditional pick if Gardiner signs with ducks. Ducks trade Manson and a rubbishty contract to give them cap space. Ducks get added point production, we get a good RHD to pair with Reilly. No loss of Nylander, Johnsson or Kapanen. What might we have to add to this deal?
1.) 11 Nov 2018 00:02:48
Nylander.
09 Nov 2018 20:42:44
Sports reporting is putting Marner at Superstar status. Nylander has great stats with or without Matthews. We can't sign all three unless we sign Nylander on a bridge contract.
Nylander is going to be a great player and Matthews is proving to be fragile. Any trade for Nylander will hose us in the end.
So Carolina scouts came to watch the leafs play. They want Nylander plus, and they have Pesce and Faulk to spare.
I have a hunch they were looking at Johnsson, a top AHL scorer.
02 Nov 2018 13:35:08
12 to 15 teams interested in Nylander, that we know of. Any trade makes us the loser of the same trade. He has great stats, there is room for growth, and he made much of the stats while Matthews was injured.
Some of us need to chill as he explores and attains his actual worth.
If you are only worried about money Dubas, be prepared for a short career.
1.) 03 Nov 2018 17:16:03
You are right to a point yes by lander is a good player and I kinda hope he signs but at the same time there’s no way he’s worth 8+ mil so instead of letting him sit a year then walk next year leafs need to make a decision either dump cap space else where or trade him and improve areas of need.
2.) 04 Nov 2018 05:15:38
@leafs1994
What do you mean by “let him walk next year�
Leafs own his rights still until he hits UFA age do they not?
09 Oct 2018 16:40:37
This management concerns me, they can't seem to multitask. Its bad enough we lose Van Reimsdyk and Bozak for nothing, but we lose 2 AHL Goalies and get a conditional 7th for Carrick?
Great, we get Tavares which more than makes up for the losses, but you can't tell me we couldn't have got a return that helps us from JVR and Bozak, or something nominal for the rest.
Sign Gardiner, sign Willie Nyllie, then trade them if you need to. Sign Marner and Matthews now, ASAP. No more nothing for something.
1.) 09 Oct 2018 20:13:17
Well aren't we happy now. JVR hurt for 6 weeks, expensive and a defensive liability. Bozak is getting paid 5 mil a year. That eould of worked out well with the salary cap.
Also? Everybody wants to sign and trade Gardiner. His value is quite low right now because of his defensive issues and he will get a modified no trade clause with his next contract. And he wants upwards of 6 mil a year. Good luck trading him.
2.) 09 Oct 2018 22:52:08
@jminn75
When you say “his defensive issues†. do you mean that he doesn’t understand the basics of how to play defence?
Like how any skater can go right by him on the boards because rather than play them into the boards (physical) he just waves his stick at the puck (soft) ? I’m not saying he needs to pound the guy into the boards, just angle him into the boards . it’s so simple . When you do this, it will slow anyone down . doesn’t matter who they are or what type of move they put on him . He will be slowed down. That’s the way it works .
Watch for it tonight . guarantee guys go right by him on the boards a few times .
Trade twinkle toes now.
3.) 09 Oct 2018 23:00:01
No use signing him. Because that limits the teams we can trade him to. If the deal doesn’t satisfy a potential trading partner, they won’t make the trade. If he’s UFA, we trade him for what he is: a UFA. Leave it for the Receiving team to negotiate with him. It’s a lower return, but gives us more options. We should just dump him on the first team that offers up a 1st and a prospect.
4.) 09 Oct 2018 23:16:59
What i mean by defensive issues is:
Your point of lack of physical play ( although that's not the type of player he is) poke checking is a first line of defence but you still need to be able and take guy out if it fails.
Also, he just seems to be a space cadet out there. He doesn't read plays very well and his reaction time is super slow. He makes up for it cause he can sometimes get back in the play quickly. Many times its too late.
I always said he should be a center.
5.) 09 Oct 2018 23:38:50
Gardiner has always been a pussy. But this year he seems especially prone to playing soft. Maybe it’s hecause it’s a contract year and he’s afraid to get hurt? Giveaway has more defensive issues than just being soft with guys against boards. My biggest issue is that he can’t seem to play defense, which his job title suggest he should be doing.
6.) 10 Oct 2018 08:11:47
Goal : thanks Gardiner, nice change.
18 Dec 2018 21:59:14
Might just work. Make the 1st round pick a second. The Lucic part intrigues me. He is a pretty gritty sonavagun.
29 Nov 2018 16:28:36
This is about the least ridiculous idea I have seen so far on this site. However, leafs would need a bit more. I wouldn't mind taking this loss as it improves the RHD.
27 Nov 2018 15:47:41
With all these teams who care about the stats, some of which have good enough RD who can back him up, he is still good trade bait. IF, and only if points are what they need. Otherwise his defense is a liability. Him we can replace from within.
14 Nov 2018 23:00:51
You make a cup contender there. Not here unfortunately. St. Louis would need to add significantly. Dubas says no.
14 Nov 2018 22:46:09
Nice! It is a Unicorn sighting for certain, but it could work. It would depend on how desperate the rangers might be at the moment.
04 Dec 2018 15:26:28
Either way, all options are left open if he doesn't pan out. Kudos to Dubas.
02 Nov 2018 13:15:32
Trading Nylander is an automatic loss on paper. Keeping a good player who seems to have no loyalty to the team might be even worse.
02 Nov 2018 13:12:34
I've been a Leaf fan since Darryl and Lanny, and I must admit I used to believe this conspiracy as soon as Buttman arrived. But the officiating, flawed as it might have been seems to have balanced in recent years. Now I watched Kadri get away with a tomahawk slash a couple games ago. The officiating seems more square, and their misses are fairly even. Leafs and Jets have a fair kick at the can.
Kick back and enjoy whatever happens.
31 Oct 2018 16:54:49
I might keep Kapanen instead of Nylander for his defensive versatility. He will likely be cheaper too. And Nylander is losing fans rapidly.
09 Oct 2018 17:04:28
Sign him and trade him. He has more value than expected. Plus player with over 50 points. That is worth something to a few teams.