12 Sep 2016 15:17:42
Carolina Trades
3rd Round Pick 2017
3rd Round Pick 2018

Toronto Trades
Holland
Lupul
Kapanen

This is a simular Trade when Bolland and Crouse where shipped to Arizona for 2 Draft Picks.
Carolina has a ton of Cap Space and it works for both Teams.

Thoughts?

1.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 19:05:01
I'm not trading a potentially good player in Kapanen until we know what he is in the nhl. makes zero sense in a rebuild. not to mention this would be terrible asset management.

2.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 20:12:03
not enough value coming back from Carolina. Maybe if the package was 2017 2nd (NJ) + 2018 3rd.

3.) 12 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 22:41:32
So you want to trade a 15th, 7th and 22nd, OA ; players for two future 3rds a year apart???

Seriously?

What is this a fire sale?

Holland had a decent improvement last year while playing with 4th line Klugs. Note" the Leafs did not have to re-sign him. But they gave him 1.3 M.

Kapanen wasn't ready for the NHL last year. But still had good AHL totals in the last half and the playoffs.

Lupul has always done well "when healthy"; just well, you know!

Those 2 thirds you'll get from are a high risk and may never even see the AHL, let alone the NHL. But you would trade them for 3 1st rounders? Two of which have produced in the NHL and the other which maybe has potential.

It will be interesting to see if Holland gets placed on the 4th line with a couple of rooks that can actually score (like maybe Bracco or Rychel and Brown or Soshnikov).

Way too little from Carolina. Maybe, if you get 2 2nd's just so we can unload Lupul's contract.

There wouldn't be so much talk about Lupul if he wasn't making that much money or he was healthy.

He says he's healthy now. Great! there's a LW opening on Mathews line; time for him to prove it to us or accept a trade(waive his no trade clause) to anywhere for anything.

4.) 13 Sep 2016
12 Sep 2016 23:42:34
Yeah I'd like to see what happens with the Leafs this year. They're probably going to keep Lupul for the expansion draft anyway. I think if Lupul has a good showing this season with Bozak, Kadri, Matthews, Nylander or Holland; if the Leafs decide he's got some value then he could be a deadline deal.

5.) 13 Sep 2016
13 Sep 2016 07:37:10
I don't honestly think the Leafs management are going to allow Lupul anywhere near their professional hockey team. it's Robidas island (LTIR and get lost) or if they can't trade him they'll bury him in the minors!. from all I've scene and heard that's my 2 cents:)

6.) 13 Sep 2016
13 Sep 2016 15:59:42
Not so sure Lupul is off to join Robidas. If they play him, and provided he can stay healthy, he is the perfect guy to expose in the expansion draft so that they don't lose someone they would prefer to keep around. Were it not for the expansion draft then yeah, I totally agree that Lou has already booked his ticket to the island.

7.) 13 Sep 2016
13 Sep 2016 17:00:10
Lab16: I agree with most of what you said but where a player is drafted has zero impact on his trade value. Having said that Dumping Lupul and Holland are good ideas but Kapanen's potential as a top 9 skater makes the retun much too little.

As for all the talk of Lupul being sent to the island of unwanted contracts; that's not going to happen. Lupul has stated he wants to play; Robidas willingly went away to collect his paychecks. If Lupul doesn't get better he will most likely be sent to the AHL for the cap saving and be bought out next year. Agreed on him being a good candidate to be exposed at the expansion draft but he still has to play (is it 40 games this year?)in order to qualify.

8.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 01:55:32
Chris I just don't think he even gets a chance to play with the Leafs. maybe I'm way off base here but from what I saw he moat like goes straight to the minors.

9.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 04:05:20
@Chris

Zero impact? Where a player is drafted is a prediction of their class level. Players that are picked high in the first round usually go on to fine NHL careers. The lower you go the less likely. Oddball players making the NHL from later rounds happen all the time for various reasons. But the previous pattern holds true every single year.

There are tons of reasons some players don't succeed, but that doesn't mean the initial evaluation of their class was wrong. The team choosing them may be bad, have coach conflicts, bad coaching, and so on. The player may have other issues, injuries, trouble learning a particular teams system.

The overall evaluation of their skills is usually bang on for that age. Some players just don't progress under their current conditions. Boyes(#24), Steen(#24), Tlusty(#13), Coliacovo (#17), Rask (#21) and so on for Leaf examples.

These players were all drafted reasonably high in the 1st round and went on to succeed with other teams after failing to succeed in Toronto.

So I disagree fully. Where a player is picked is a reasonably accurate evaluation of their initial talents, and where they end up depends on a whole ton of influences and happenstance. But their success is usually related to their initial class level.

So yes, draft position has trade value, it is a class rating that follows that player through his career. It is constantly referenced by hockey people every time a trade is made. Failed high draft players are always picked up by other teams when they are dropped by their draft teams (recently Pittsburgh picked up what defenceman that couldn't make it here at all?).

Matthews success will depend on a whole host of factors surrounding the Leafs. But do any of you doubt that the kid has talent.

10.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 10:32:20
Terrible proposal. Once the Leafs put Horton and Robidas on LTIR, the Leafs will have ample cap space. This type of move is just not needed. FLA was in a different situation with Bolland.

11.) 14 Sep 2016
14 Sep 2016 19:50:28
Lab I don't think you get what I'm really trying to say. A player's true trade value is based on a guess of what his current vs future expected value/production is to his team. Just because a player is drafted top 10 means NOTHING. There are many examples of (even #1 overalls) players who haven't lived up to their draft position/hype.

So draft position means very little; especially 3-4 years after they are drafted. Would you pay up for Yakupov just becaue he was number 1? No. Similarly Holland and Lupul aren't worth much. Kapanen has a question mark around his potential; he hasn't proved anything yet. The original post really undervalued all three players' values combined and I stand by my original statement.

Jimmy I don't see them buying Lupul out; you would have a big cap hit for 4 more years. The next option is demotion where the team only saves something like 900K on the cap. You can't just put him on LTIR unless the guy's onboard with being "injured". Also by demoting him it makes him ineligible for the expansion draft. It makes sense to play him and try to improve his trade value.