14 Jun 2016 02:25:42
Columbus needs to clear some cap room for Jones.

I am going against my trading principles by helping them out; but they have just the right parts for the Leafs.

How about:

CLB: 3rd OA, LW Hartnell (3yr@4.75M), RD David Savard (To 2021 @ 4.25M) , LC Jenner (2 yrs @ 2.9 M), G Korpisalo (792k)

12.7 M

for

TOR: LW JVR (2yr@4.25M), RW Kappanen (3yr@963k), LD Loov (692k), Horton (LTIR )

< 5.2 M - Horton cap relief when applicable.

So 7.5 M for Seth + 5.2 M in cap ext relief.

This works well for the CLB cap problems, gives them JVR, Kappy, and Loov.

THis gives the Leafs a kick in the rebuild.

Leafs get 3rd OA, Hartnell a tough PF we don't have, maybe ideal protection for the Marner line, and he can score.

David Savard a quality RH 3/ 4 D locked in at 4.25 and Boone Jenner, a promising center.
And a goalie prospect.


Factoring in the Horton contract we only take on 2M or so.

1.) 14 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 05:49:37
So we're getting a 30 goal scorer who's like 23 years old, and an almost guaranteed elite winger for JVR and kappy and cap dumps? Ridiculous thought. Second of all if David savard is a top 4 D as you say why wouldn't they be able to just trade him for a prospect or pick?

2.) 14 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 12:09:42
Read the first line.

Read the 2nd line; now you know why it is expensive for CLB.

Cap dumping IS the issue.

Top 4 impies 1-4; I said 3/4. He's not a 1/2 D. But he is way underrated.

JVR is a grade above any of these players.

We have to get return for the cap space. Cap space is a trade-able commodity these days.

They are going to need 5-8 M to sign Jones, a prospect they value highly and traded a decent center for. This is the premise of the whole trade. Please try to read and be a little less cynical.

Yes I am asking for a lot. But bailing a team out of cap hell is now going to be expensive. All of the teams who crammed their payroll to the limit will have a tough time and gems will pop loose.

If everything isn't perfect for you, it must be ridiculous. This trade balances well for the Leafs. It gives incredible cap relief and cap protection to CLB. Please don't just look at a players goals and think that's all there is to it.

They are getting a prime vet for the pick and the Hartnell cap dump. They are giving up a decent winger/center to be able to dump the Dman for space. The difference of the contracts to the leafs is about +3M and yet it gives massive cap relief to CLB.

It's slanted to the Leafs, sure, but what website are you on.

Try to read and comprehend next time. What on earth is an almost guaranteed elite winger? What does that even mean? He is either elite or he is not. He hasn't potted 100+ pts.

3.) 14 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 12:17:04
This is absolutely ridiculous. Columbus will not make a trade like that, giving up one of their top young players and their 3rd overall pick.

They will simply find a partner for Hartnell and be done with it. Hartnell had a decent year and 3 years left on his contract, not impossible to move.

4.) 14 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 13:11:43
Leafs took Hortons contract when they traded Clarkson. It had nothing to do with the cap in Columbus, Clarkson was the lesser of 2 evils for the Jackets. The Jackets aren't a rich franchise and made the business decision to pay 5m+ for a warm body in the lineup rather than a guy making 6m+ who will never set foot on NHL ice again. They are not taking Horton, Datsuk or Pronger type contracts in any deals no matter what the return.

5.) 14 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 13:48:30
Horton's contract is not insured. That is why Columbus traded with us in the first place. Think a bit more before you post.

6.) 14 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 14:21:54
Totally agree Elbandito. What some forget is that Horton's contract was UNINSURED; hence the decision to pay a useless Clarkson to at least play instead of paying Horton to sit. CBJ would NEVER take on that contract again for any reason. Leafs ownership decided to light up 27 million when that deal was approved for the sake of the cap space only.

7.) 14 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 21:43:27
Insurance has absolutely nothing to do with the cap in this case. The contract was uninsured before as it is now and plays no part in that manner.

They are paying Clarkson 5.25M/yr and his play is hurting their team. They would be better off to sit him. Then they have the same as the Horton contract.

As for the trade, it clears 7.5 cap room for CLB. Jenner & the pick are the ONLY quality pieces coming back, and the Leafs are taking salary. JVR is worth him and the pick. They can always replace the pick with a prospect and there is a few on that team. But as usual, you all massively over rate the pick.


This is just like the massive return for the 1st from Arizona. If Columbus doesn't like it they can go rot in cap hell. It's no problem for the Leafs, they can go elsewhere.

Buy yes, I am asking too much. What? you should ask too little. Just remember they took Clarkson. Once a rube, always a rube.

8.) 15 Jun 2016
14 Jun 2016 22:23:43
It has everything to do with the insurance. It wasn't insured so they had to swollow all of the salary and eat the full cap hit. That's a big bill. If they were going to pay 5.3m they wanted that player to be playing ( Clarkson) (even if he is horrible). They don't want that contract back.

9.) 15 Jun 2016
15 Jun 2016 07:10:34
@rewire

THERE IS NO INSURANCE. IT NEVER EXISTED. In your words, it's a "big bill" they already had, they didn't have to swallow anything. They already did. It's on the books as a cost.

There was no insurance, ever. Please stop bringing something up as a reason for a trade that never existed in the first place.

CLB made a mistake when they thought that any player, "playing" was "better than none". Clarkson Griswald: 33 GP, 4 pts, -8, loss of moral, all for 5M a year or so. Horton had a better year!!

Why on earth do you think the Leafs made the trade? They knew there was no insurance. They knew Clarkson was hurting their team. He cannot play hockey. Now CLB has to eat the "big bill" that is Clarkson's contract and all the while he is hurting their team, not helping it. And they can't apply him to the cap unless they break his legs.

Contracts like Horton's are valid purchases when you wish to unload "unwanted" contracts as the Leafs made a decision to do. Horton is applied pre-season via LTIR and allows to go over the ceiling by a prescribed amount when the cap is reached.
That's the value of his contract. The team has to be able to budget that hit at the beginning of the season. CLB is headed into that range now with Seth's contract. It was an option to add to the deal, that's all.

As to the rest of the deal, it is argumentative based upon your own evaluation of the players.

BUT THERE IS STILL "NO INSURANCE INVOLVED IN THE EQUATION".