07 Mar 2018 03:13:34
Toronto trades Gardiner
Dallas trades Heiskanen and a 1st.

1.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 05:49:18
Not a big enough return.

I hear Gards is worth a 1st, 4th and two A prospects.

2.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 07:35:48
SmileyRielly too much. I would be more than happy with Gardiner for Heiskanen and a 1st, that’s all.

3.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 12:17:02
I say get what you can for Gardiner. Gardiner is rather difficult to watch play hockey, offensively and especially defensively.

4.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 13:14:51
Smiley

So basically a top 5 pick along with a 1st is not enough? Gardiner can't even play defence and is a turnover machine.

5.) 08 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 22:38:39
Come on guys, you clearly didn’t read my thread below. I proposed Gardiner for 1st/ Kaprizov. He responded saying gardiner is worth a 1st, 4th and two prospects.

My comment was to highlight his hypocracy.

With that said, I would do this trade as well.

6.) 08 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 23:01:52
Hey SmileyReilly, you know what Gardiner can fetch? A retirement trip to Figure Skating's Stars on Ice. Did anybody see the Triple Toe Loop Gardiner made in the Washington game on Saturday night? Oh, that's right, that happened when the lights went out for 15 mins and another Jake Gardiner giveaway to the Capitals happened.

7.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 00:08:03
If I was Dallas, I would probably say no to this trade. They’ve got a good defense already, and Gardiner doesn’t address any glaring need and is UFA end of next year. Heiskanen is a very highly rated prospect, and will almost definitely make the team next year or the year following. Plus we expect them to give us a 1st round pick? I don’t see it happening.

I’m sure there is a team out there willing to part with a highly rated prospect and a 1st for gardiner’s services, but I don’t think it’s Dallas.

8.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 02:01:33
SmileyReilly

I never said Gardiner was worth a 1st, a 4th, and two prospects. In fact, I went through the threads as far back as I could go, and I never seen anyone say that. So not sure where you got that from.

I posted this trade because I wanted to see what value others have in Gardiner, seeing as that I obviously have him valued too high.

You say you would make this trade, and you proposed a similar trade yourself not long ago. That tells me you value Gardiner more than you admit.

No way Dallas makes this trade. Heiskanen is a top rated prospect and expected to become a franchise defenseman for the team. Dallas knows exactly what they have, and they aren’t going to let him go that easily.

Gardiner is probably worth a first and a prospect, but finding the right team to offer that might be a challenge. Especially since he is UFA end of next year. As the Leafs demonstrated this year, they are not adverse to holding onto their UFA’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gardiner finishes next year as a Leaf.

9.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 04:35:43
4th comment from the top - but you’re correct. It wasn’t you, someone with a similar name.

I value Gardiner for what he is. A capable offensive top 4 dman who will never move into elite status because of his defensive deficiencies. That is worth a prospect with significant up side and a mid to late first round pick.

Reilly is younger, plays tougher minutes, is much better defensively and has a high PPG than Gardiner. He’s also locked down for a few more year on a cap friendly deal. He’s the future. I’d rather get assets for Gardiner at his highest to continue help the teams future. We won’t be able to afford the 7+ he’ll be asking for next summer.

10.) 11 Mar 2018
11 Mar 2018 02:22:10
I agree with you that Reilly is the better defenseman. I’m still not convinced he’s the franchise defenseman the Leafs had him hyped to be when they drafted him. He’s a 1b who needs a real stud beside him to take him to the next level. He’s kinda like a Seabrook without a Keith right now. If Gardiner is asking for 7+ then we should trade him for a bag of pucks and some used goalie pads. Whatever we can get. Gardiner is a very good player and at his maximum value. Unfortunately, it’s very difficult to read the Leafs mindset right now. Not trading any of their UFA’s was a surprise to pretty much everyone not name Lou. My gut instinct tells me Leafs didn’t get a good enough offer for their perceived value of JVR and that is why they kept him. My gut instinct tells me the same thing will happen with Gardiner. He has too many deficiencies for anyone to offer substantial return for a pending UFA. Leafs may determine it’s in their best interests to keep him for a playoff run next year. I guess we have to wait and see how he performs next year before we can make any real estimates to his worth to the Leafs.

11.) 13 Mar 2018
13 Mar 2018 05:43:47
I honestly believe that Rielly has another level. He has come so far with his defensive play and is finally being given some PP time. He was 22-23 last year and went up against top competition every night. PK every night. I think if he was lined up with a player as equally skilled but with different skill set he’d be incredible. Vanev comes to mind. Seabrook and Keith is an excellent comparison.

How many cups did they win?

I agree 7 mill is too much for Gards. He’s entitled to it tho. Dmen are over paid these days (Shattenkirk), Gardiner put up similar numbers and edges with possession. I hope we trade him this summer while his price is high.

I certainly wasn’t surprised we kept our UFA. I repeatedly said we wouldn’t trade JVR, Leo or Bozak. The Leafs mind set is simple and the one thing they don’t beat around the bush with. They want to create a dynasty that has a repeated playoff presence and want to win multiple Stanley cups. The dynasty part means they aren’t willing to trade for short term success (ie they’re not trading our future for Karlsson) . It also means they aren’t giving up a 30 goal man (JVR) and an elite PK man (Leo) for pennies on the dollar when they want to make a run. I didn’t include Bozak because I feel they kept him due to our poor center depth. Trading these guys would be a message to the team that management is cashing in and doesn’t think they’re going anywhere this year. We didn’t have to trade for a significant rental because we already had our own. No offence to Plekanec but that’s a depth move

We are 6th overall right now. 6th! We are in far and away the hardest division. We have elite scoring depth and one of the best goalies this season. Our PK and PP both rank 7th. We aren’t a Stanley cup favourite but we’re certainly a
contender.

Matthews has also missed nearly 25% of our games played. That’s another 8 goals at his current goal per game. We could potentially has been into favourite status.