27 Nov 2022 03:12:40
To Leafs: Lawson Crouse ($4.3)

To Arizona: Kerfoot ($3.5), Wayne Simmons (&900,000) for salary matching purpose, Arizona native son, Matthew Knies (terrific for marketing), plus either Leafs 2023 - 3rd round pick or 2025 - 2nd round pick, whichever one Arizona was not going to use from the Lyubushkin rental, as Arizona has the choice of selection.

Crouse would be a perfect addition to the Leafs 2nd line with Tavares and Marner.
Crouse would make Matthew Knies redundant at left wing.
It would allow Leafs to send Robertson down to the Marlies where he should be playing major minutes, as Keefe seems intent on stapling him to the bench.
Arizona gets a top prospect, another pick, a useful Kerfoot whose salary has already been mostly paid and is expiring next summer and a great mentor and leader in Simmons.


1.) 27 Nov 2022
27 Nov 2022 04:48:30
No thx to trading knies.


2.) 27 Nov 2022
27 Nov 2022 11:40:13
They don't want Simmonds and we don't wanna trade Knies. Not for that, atleast.


3.) 27 Nov 2022
27 Nov 2022 12:29:54
Or possibly Knies makes Crouse redundant, we get to keep the picks and get something else for Kerfoot.
I’d be okay if you replace Knies with someone else!


4.) 27 Nov 2022
27 Nov 2022 14:25:27
Your own reaction to this trade would be;
But Crouse is a -40 for his career and his best season is 34pts! Kerfoot is a 50 pt player, +21 and makes $.8M less! And you also want to add a great prospect in Knies plus a pick! No thanks!

The reality is that Arz just resigned Crouse to a 5 year $4.3M deal. He already has 9 goals on the season and has developed into a complete player that can be used in all situations. In the end, Arz would get a prospect they are not sure will be better than Crouse and a pick + whatever they can get for Kerfoot, that is if Kerfoot would even agree to go to Arz.


5.) 28 Nov 2022
28 Nov 2022 00:26:35
Knies is a college player with hype but absolutely no pro pedigree.
Crouse has that and is the same age as Marner.
Knies could just as easily turn out to be another Tyler Biggs.
At best Knies won’t be an impact player for another year or two.
Leafs need to win now and Crouse can impact that.


6.) 28 Nov 2022
28 Nov 2022 01:15:16
Crouse plays for the worst team in the league.
Looking at his plus/ minus is not a very accurate depiction of his value.
Crouse is a 25 year old pro who has proven he is an impact player.
Knies is a 21 year old NCAA player who has proven nothing to date.
Crouse scored 20 goals last year and already has 10 goals a 1/ 4 of the way through the 2022 - 2023 season.
There is no comparison between Crouse’s proven value and Knies potential value.
Crouse is a perfect fit foe the Tavares - Marner line while Knies is playing university hockey.


7.) 28 Nov 2022
28 Nov 2022 04:15:35
Ok I’m really excited for the thought of what M Knies MIGHT be. For someone like Crouse who’s an established power forward I’d be down to create a package including Knies for him.

So
Leafs trade M Knies, SDA and Toronto’s
1st in 24’ top 10 protected

Yotes trade Crouse and forward Jack McBain

I’d think if Toronto could get the ball rolling with Arizona with the pkg above a sweetener could be added if necessary. Thoughts? Or should it be a subtraction by TO?


8.) 28 Nov 2022
28 Nov 2022 12:36:14
@WB. C'mon WB49. You have used career +/ - numerous times in exactly the way I described you do to explain how a player isn't worth much. Severson a couple of times. Fischer for another, who plays on the same team as Crouse and a slightly worse career +/ -. I know you have with others when telling us how that player isn't worth the offer. If you now realize career +/ - is not a great way to evaluate a players worth (which I have said to you numerous times), then great.
What about prospects though. You say Knies has proven nothing to date and therefore doesn't carry much value. Ironically, you used to tell us how Holmberg had no real value either in trade suggestions and then after about 5 NHL games you call him the future #3C for the Leafs and is worth more than NHL players he is mentioned in trade suggestions. Knies has 4 Olympic games under his belt with 2 pts. Isn't that kind of similar experience to Holmberg having played 5 NHL games (Yes, I know he now has 8 games)? Maybe like career +/ -, saying because a player has no NHL experience isn't the best way to evaluate their worth. Before Matthews had played an NHL game, teams would have traded lots for him nonetheless. Teams are reluctant to give up "unproven" potential unless the return is too much to say no to. Just sayin.


9.) 28 Nov 2022
28 Nov 2022 18:08:23
@RLF Justin Holl is a career +40

HoF for Holl!