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30 May 2018 02:53:22
Rehashing an old idea;
Leafs: Gardiner, Lievo, Neilson
Jets: Myers, 2018 5th(Bruins)
Jets get their puck moving LHD, a depth winger and a D propect. Leafs get their top pairing RHD.
Leafs: Gauthier, Martin, 2018 3rd
Habs: Petry(1.5M retained)
Habs get a young F.C. centre and a 3rd for the rebuild. Martin is a usable depth winger and cap balance. Leafs get a solid, slightly overpriced bottom pairing RHD.
Leafs: Picard
Canes: Nicolas Roy
Canes get a solid B/U for a struggling Darling to push him for the top job.
Leafs get a big, power centre to replace Gauthier in the pipeline.
Sign; R.Nash; 2.3Mx3Y
Tavares; 10.7x7Y
Hyman - Mathews - Nylander
Marleau - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson- Kadri -Kapanen
Grundstrom - Nash - Brown
Rielly - Myers
Hainsey - Zaitsev
Dermott - Petry
Anderson, Sparks
1.) 30 May 2018 10:32:06
Spider
All the leafs you want to trade are the correct leafs to move out. The problem is besides gardener the rest simply have no value. Maybe Leivo brings a third round pick not sure.
2.) 30 May 2018 16:03:51
I’m with Mackin on this one.
In my opinion, I think Montreal would be willing to basically give Pertry away in order to clear out cap space and free up a roster spot for a younger upcoming player. I really don’t think they want an AHL lifer in gauthier, a or a hack like Martin coming back. We could actually probably get Petry for a lot less. But don’t expect Montreal to be retaining salary. At any rate, I think Leafs pass on Petry, even if Montreal gives him away.
3.) 30 May 2018 22:05:23
Jets are getting fleeced. maybe sweeten the deal for Winnipeg, take our Gardiner
:-)
27 May 2018 02:30:29
Have to agree with some others here that in-spite of some relatively good regular season results I have noticed some holes in Freedy's style/game, that I think, if other teams catch on, will see a demise in his effectiveness. Also, he has not been very effective in the past two post seasons. As much as everyone has jumped on Gardiner, a couple of key saves(ala MAF) could have turned game seven around. Therefore I suggest trading him while his value is high. He provide a nice pairing with McIhenney that could provide a nice package to a team deperate for top goal tending and a good back up ... the Flames.
Leafs: Anderson, McIhinney, 2018 2nd.
Flames: Hamilton, Smith.
Smith is strictly a cap dump for the Flames. The Leafs then flip him back to the Yotes where he was a fan and team favorite.
Leafs: Smith, Zaitsev.
Yotes: Demers, 2018 3rd.
Leafs roll with an improved defence and the AHL top goalie and top net pairing this season. Sign both Sparks and Picard to 1Mx2Y contracts and hope for a Hellybuck gem in the rough.
1.) 27 May 2018 06:22:19
This has to be the worst proposal I've seen on here in a really long time. You're going to trade away one of the best goaltenders in the world right now because he didn't have a "great" postseason? So you trade him away and "hope" that we find a gem in sparks of pickard? How does that make any sense to you whatsoever? What happens if they don't turn out? We're just going to wait 5 years until Woll is ready for the big leagues? Do you understand how important a number one goalie is? And how extremely hard they are to acquire? This is brutal.
2.) 27 May 2018 22:01:02
There’s a big difference between the AHL and the NHL. Sparks had his chance, he blew it.
It took years of bad goaltending before we got Andersson. It’s pretty hard to put the series loss entirely on him. The whole team underperformed.
Would rather keep Andersen and McBackup than to try and ride two AHL goalies.
3.) 27 May 2018 21:59:27
Are you stupid? Yup let's just trade away our best goalie and the only reason we made it to game 7. Smh.
4.) 29 May 2018 19:12:11
Marquesmen is actually one of the only people that know what they’re talking about on here lol.
12 May 2018 03:19:53
Leafs: Kapanen, Lievo, Picard,2019 1st, 2018 2nd.
Flames: Hamilton, Bennett
Flames off season check list;
Cap space-frees up 5.9M-checked.
Add top 6 forward - Kapanen -cheched.
Add depth scoring - Lievo - checked.
Add B/U for Smith - Picard -Checked.
Clear D-man slot - Hamilton -Checked.
Recoup draft picks - 1st and a 2nd - Checked
Leafs get a top pairing RHD, same age as Rielly, signed for a reasonable 5.75M for the next 3 years and a young 4C with future 3C potential.
1.) 12 May 2018 05:09:45
Why on earth would you give up our 2019 first when we still have our 2018? What happens if Anderson blows a knee and we don't end up making the playoffs.
2.) 12 May 2018 15:49:34
^ or if andersen plays how he played in the playoffs. No way you do this trade also offer a couple marlies instead of kapanen.
12 May 2018 00:40:11
Leafs: Zaitsev
Yotes: Demers
Yotes get a younger RHD with more of an offensive style, signed long term.
Leafs get a defensive RHD on a good contract till some of the kids are ready to make the jump. Makes a good 2nd pairing with either Gardiner or Dermott.
1.) 12 May 2018 02:45:30
Just an afterthought. Even though I think Zaitsev for Demers is a fair trade, the Yotes could be looking for a B/ U goalie, so, add McIhinney to entice the Yotes.
2.) 12 May 2018 15:51:42
If you add mac get them to add a high round pick. See if we can pull another johnsson.
3.) 13 May 2018 00:56:52
Good point Randy. Maybe a 2018 3rd coming back?
06 May 2018 01:02:33
According to Todd Cordell the Flames off season priorities are: 1) clear cap space. 2) a top 6 forward. 3) Capable B/U for Smith. 4) clear out d-men to make room for Anderson and Valimaki. 5) Recoup top round draft picks. Leafs can help them out.
Leafs: Nylander, Gardiner,Picard, 2018 2nd
Flames: Hamilton, Tkachuk, Bennett
Leafs get a young, top pairing RHD, a gritty winger for Mathews and Marner and a project to battle Lindhold for the 4C job.
1.) 06 May 2018 02:16:57
If Flames are trying to clear out d-men, then I doubt they will be taking Gardiner in a return trade. This trade doesn’t address Flames number one priority of reducing salary either.
Kapanen, Picard, 1st for Hamilton and Bennett is probably a little closer to matching the Flames wish list, though if Calgary wants to be sticklers, I suppose we could give them nylander. But I’d rather not.
2.) 06 May 2018 02:43:39
It’s good but it will be very difficult to get Tkachuk out of Calgary so we would probably have to turn that 2nd into a 1st or keep the 2nd in the trade and add a 1st.
3.) 06 May 2018 03:10:27
Looks like the flames helping the leafs out.
4.) 06 May 2018 19:51:21
I, just like spider, have no idea what the flames actually want or need . or what their plan is .
I can say, however, that I would do this in a heartbeat if I am leafs management .
Basically we are trading a backup that we will never use, a #6 puck moving D man that should be behind almost everyone on the depth chart and a winger that plays well in soft games regular season but is invisible when times get tough . (I realize he is young. but how long do we wait and how much do we spend to find out)
Good one spider, I would love to see the leafs pull of this con job.
5.) 06 May 2018 19:59:40
But I want Andersson : (.
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14 May 2018 01:18:01
Dubas will not be trading Mathews, Nylander or Marner. That is a young, elite core of players that would be difficult to replace without tanking for several years(don't want to go there again!). Though not elite, Dermott and Liljegren are also in the do not trade young talent category.
The left side of the defense is good, bordering on great. The right side is a mess and needs major attention. With the right pieces the Leafs defense could be the envy of the league. Moving out Zaitsev, Hainsey and Polak and bring in players like Hamilton, Demers, Mason or Trouba is doable and essential. Carrick and Holl need a shot at being the #6D on cheap contracts.
Tavares is going to sign somewhere for 10.5M x 7, why not hometown T.O. where he could double that in endorsements and have multiple and immediate shots at the cup?
1.) 14 May 2018 14:51:29
How are you going to land trouba hamilton or manson without giving up any of the big 3.
2.) 14 May 2018 23:04:19
I agree with not giving any of them up but IF Nylander is nothing but an NHL winger we should not invest big into 2 elite wingers.
3.) 17 May 2018 05:41:42
As Marner24 says, it's more important to invest in elite centres than wingers. I feel like signing Tavares doesn't mean the buds HAVE to trade Nylander this year though. For the right return, absolutely - but trading Willy a year from now, on a fair contract with a few years on it would probably up his value more than where it currently stands. Plus it would give the Leafs a KILLER forward group for a cup run this coming year.
12 May 2018 12:44:36
My 2018-19 line-up:
Marleau - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Mathews - Marner
Johnsson - Kadri - Brown
Grundstrom - Bennett - Moore
Rielly - Hamilton
Gardiner - Demers
Dermott - Holl
Andersson
Sparks
How do we get there?
Sign Tavares; 10.5M x 7 years
Sign Nylander; 6.2M x 8 years
Trades; Zaitsev, McIhinney-> Demers.
Kapanen, Lievo, Picard,2019 1st, 2018 2nd -> Hamilton, Bennett.
Hainsey, Martin for picks.
1.) 12 May 2018 14:09:47
I don't think that the first trade is necessary. And take out Bennett and replace the 2nd with Carrick, would be more reasonable.
29 Apr 2018 00:27:15
Time to switch gears and start rooting for the Jets to bring the cup home to Canada after a 25 year drought(1993 Habs). Jets have built a team that the Leafs could and should emulate. Speedy, talented forwards; big, puck-moving D and grit up and down the line up(they pounded the Wild and held their own against the Pred in game #1).
20 Apr 2018 11:30:09
Can't help but to be impressed with Riley Nash's game against the Leafs tonight. I have been touting this UFA for some time now as an off season target. Checks all Babs boxes for a 4C. Plays the PK, wins face offs, checks, hustles and adds some grit, size and scoring(15G, 26A). 6'1", 200 lbs., 28 yo. Can play up and down the line up(has looked pretty good as the 1C when Burgeron has been out this season) coming off a 900K contract. Dumping Martins contract and giving the $ to Nash would be money well spent.
18 Apr 2018 06:21:10
Just some random thoughts to spur some discussion.
How the Leafs can sign Tavares and JVR using the Zetterberg model.
Sign JT to a 7 year, 59.5M dollar contract. Breakdown; 10.5, 10.5, 10.5, 10.5, 6, 6, 1 (3M signing bonus). This gives an AAV cap hit of 8.5M. Cash rich Leafs can afford to pay out 13.5M in the first year, few teams can match that.
Sign JVR to a 8 year, 36M dollar contract. Breakdown; 6, 6, 6, 6, 4, 4, 3, 1. This gives a AAV cap hit of 4.5M.
Kadri's trade value. Based on the most recent similar trade (Derek Stepan for # 7OA), I would say Kadri is a slightly better player on a much better contract. That being said, Kadri should be worth a top 10 pick and a good prospect. My suggestion Edmonton(#9) and Khaira.
Leafs need to get tougher without giving up their speed and goal scoring. Grit and pugnacity is best served from the back end where a D-man is playing 20 to 25 minutes a game verses a 4th liner playing 6 to 8 minutes.Look no further then what Byfuglien, Manson, Bieksa, etc. do for their teams. I would love to see Marchad do his circle the net and meet Byfuglien coming the other way!
1.) 18 Apr 2018 17:56:50
Spider
Tavares is islander or Ranger bound but if his camp went to Toronto and said he wants to play here leafs would make numbers work.
Spider why would leafs have any interest in JVR
Spider I'm not trading Kadri or his great contract to anyone. Kadri is of tremendous value with his skill set and that contract.
2.) 18 Apr 2018 18:01:38
Instead of trying to sign Tavares, I think the Leafs should be looking at trading for Eberle. The emergence of Barzal, and the mega-contract Tavares is about to sign (probably more than $8.5M AAV I’m afraid), means Eberle might be available. He’s got one year left on his contract at a Beey affordable $6M, of which he is worth every penny.
Leafs trade Gardiner
NYI trade Eberle
One for one exchange of UFA’s.
A trio of Matthews, Kadri, Eberle would be one of the best triplets at the Center position in the league.
DeHaan and Hickey might leave to free agency, which means NYI could really use a defenseman like Gardiner.
Leafs can try to re-sign Eberle next summer, or hopefully have another solution in place by then.
3.) 19 Apr 2018 03:43:08
Two things against the Ranger signing JT in spite of NY being the most desired destination in the league. First, he just went through 9 years of rebuilding hell with the Islanders. Not sure he wants to start his next 7 years on a rebuilding team. Second, he loves the Islanders and the organization. Jumping ship to their most hated rivals might feel traitorous. I think the field is wide open for where he lands, including Toronto. Toronto offers an number of incentives. Good, young, contending team, excellent management and coaching, great wingers and great endorsement opportunities.
Exactly which teams would have no interest in a 27 year old winger that consistently puts up 30 goals and 60 points and is a monster on the PP, especially if he can be signed to a team friendly contract?
4.) 19 Apr 2018 17:53:43
Spider
Your last sentence says it all. The only team Tavares might take a discount for is Islanders. I have a hard time believing JT will take a cap friendly contract to go to another team. Tavares is a superstar and will be highly coveted by virtually every team in the league. If he hits open market, a bidding war is likely to ensue and he will be offered mega-bucks. You got to think somewhere in the $10M AAV range for sure. If Leafs were to splash out that kind of money on a UFA, I would like to see them sign a defenseman. Matthews is our undisputed number one center, and Kadri pops in 30 goals and almost as many points as JT and is far cheaper for number two center. With Kadri’s contract so cheap, it means we can use the savings to address deficiencies in the lineup.
5.) 20 Apr 2018 00:00:32
Actually, the last sentence "27 year old winger" was referring to JVR in response to David's comment "why would the Leafs have any interest in JVR". JT is a centre.
26 May 2018 02:26:48
Big yes to Nash. I have been pushing for him for several months now. Can probably be had for 2.1M x4Y. Opens up all kinds of options. Play him at 4C, making an awesome 4th line and try Nylander at 3C. If Nylander doesn't pan out, move Nash to 3C and promote Lindholm/ Aaltanen to 4C.
No to Carlson. Someone will offer him 8.7Mx7Y. No thanks, let someone else overpay for him.
26 May 2018 02:18:29
Carlson will be looking for closer to 8.7M per. Pass.
13 May 2018 00:56:52
Good point Randy. Maybe a 2018 3rd coming back?
12 May 2018 02:45:30
Just an afterthought. Even though I think Zaitsev for Demers is a fair trade, the Yotes could be looking for a B/ U goalie, so, add McIhinney to entice the Yotes.
12 May 2018 00:35:56
Like both trades but have to agree I think it is over payment by the Leafs in both.
25 May 2018 03:14:36
Like the idea, suggest some tweeks. That package is not going to get you Tkachuk AND Hamilton, so drop Tkachuk. Then flip Smith, Martin and Zaitsev to the Yotes for Demers and a 2018 3rd (#65).
Add Riley Nash to your UFA signing list; 2M x 3Y. Tavares; 10.5Mx7Y.
Hyman - Mathews - Nylander
Marleau - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Kadri - Kapanen
Lievo - Nash - Brown
Rielly - Hamilton
Gardiner - Demers
Dermott - Hainsey
Sparks, Picard.
19 May 2018 01:05:50
Leafs would jump all over the Oiler trade. Pretty one sided, but you never know, Peter Chirali thought Hall for Larson was a steal! haha Add Lievo and a 2nd to make it irresistible to Peter.
Canes are rumored to be looking to move a D-man, but are looking for immediate help to fill their holes (goalie, scoring) . A more interesting deal for them might be Picard, Brown and Timashov. Then you keep the 10th OA and get a chance to land Dobson, Velleno or Hayton.
12 May 2018 02:42:14
Leafs have to do something as all three are not exempt next year. Whoever doesn't win the back-up job will have to be waived and probably lost. My preference would be to keep Sparks (AHL goalie of the year) and trade McIhinney and Picard for picks or in a package for an upgrade on D.
02 May 2018 05:07:13
Would have to agree Lou showed poor asset management at the deadline. Leafs would have to have been very lucky to make a cup run without bringing in defensive help. They had lots of scoring but poor defense (forwards and d-men both) did them in. I was against the Plecanik trade from the beginning. Not only did they give up a 2nd round pick, but 2 assets in Rychel and Valiev for a short term rental that was not going to get them over the hump alone. Not only that, they could have been used in packages with JVR, Bozak and Komarov to get some sweet picks and prospects that could have been added to the pipeline or flipped for D help. Hoping Dubas does a better job.
29 Apr 2018 00:20:59
I would be ok with this trade, even straight up or as part of a bigger package and rolling with the top goaltender pair in the AHL this year. A stronger defense would help in either case. Some benefits right off the top:a) would clear 5.85M in cap space (Picard would have to be extended, maybe 1.2Mx2Y) . b) solves the dilemma about who to keep (Sparks or Picard as both are non-waiver exempt next year) . c) bringing in a young, gritty winger of Tkachuk's talent to play along side of fellow Arizonian Mathews. Anderson's value, even after a luke warm play offs is very high (rule for success. buy low, sell high) .
As part of a bigger package, I like;
Nylander, Gardiner, Anderson for
Tkachuk, Hamilton, Bennett, 2018 4th (Fla)