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09 Sep 2020 16:59:24
Ana: Getzlaf 50% retained
Tor: Dermott and Johnnson.
1.) 09 Sep 2020 17:58:14
So much nope.
2.) 09 Sep 2020 19:15:44
Getzlaf is still an effective top 6 player. Your going to have to give up a bit more of you want the ducks to retain.
3.) 09 Sep 2020 19:43:07
Don't really want old man getzlaf if that's the price.
4.) 10 Sep 2020 02:29:31
Guys,
Getzlaf is no longer a top 6 center and he cannot perform to the level he has when he plays to many min. Which he is currently doing in Ana. Anaheim is in the process of rebuilding and has three future top 6 centers in their organization.
On toronto, Getzlaf would be able to play 15 min a night and step up on the odd night that he was needed to. He would be far more effective and would be very valuable for the $4.125 mil he would cost next year.
Further, the Ducks could really use a solid scoring winger in Johnnson as they were one of the worst teams at scoring goals the last few years. As for dermott, he will become a top four d in the comming years, and seeing how Anaheim was so porous on d they could yuse him desperately.
This is a trade that would be great for both teams and yall are crazy.
5.) 10 Sep 2020 07:32:13
Why would they even want Johnson if they are rebuilding? Unless this is a 1 year rebuild by the time they are done Johnson is close to 30.
12 Feb 2020 16:00:01
Tor: Barrie, Kerfoot, Dermott,
Min: Dumba, Eriksson Ek
Minnesota receives a young defensman with big upside, a two way centre withmore offensive acumen than Ek, and a player they can flip for more assets.
Toronto gets that top pairing right hand d that can play with rielly, is an upgrade in terms od defensive responsibleness, and they don't loose any offensive output from the backend. They also receive a very solid penalty killing centre
Truthfully I would even through in Bracco or Marchment to sweeten the deal.
1.) 12 Feb 2020 18:26:11
You would. They wouldn't. Even with Bracco. Dumba still has term.
23 Jan 2020 12:06:38
Tor: Kapanen, Dermott, Ceci
Min: Dumba
We move out a young defenseman with upside and a scoring winger for Dumba and through in a reasonable number 5 NHL defenseman for a top 4 guy with potential to be a top 2 guy.
1.) 23 Jan 2020 14:01:44
If Dumba can get back to playing like he did before minny was a bad team I think he’s worth Going after.
2.) 23 Jan 2020 16:48:42
We could still have an option of keeping dermott but would cost us lilgren
So kappanen ceci liligren is probably a very fair deal. Especially if you can get another 5/ 6th round pick coking back with him to use for a depth peice.
3.) 23 Jan 2020 19:23:26
I think you probably add Lili along with Dermott. Guys like Dumba with 3 years term are not traded often and will get a great return.
27 Dec 2019 18:48:22
Kapanen and Ceci
For
Dumba.
1.) 27 Dec 2019 19:14:38
That won't happen. Kapanen-Ceci doesn't equal Dumba no matter how badly he looks right now.
2.) 27 Dec 2019 20:49:58
Ceci in trades weakens the offer. You would have to add a couple good prospects or take him out and add a good one. It still isn't enough for dumba.
3.) 28 Dec 2019 03:30:08
Kapanen + Dermott for Dumba? Would anyone advocate that? Or would Dubas dare?
4.) 28 Dec 2019 06:15:29
Not sure if I would do that LeafsGm. Dermott will be a good D for years to come and probably cheap. Dumba is a question mark right now. Maybe Kapanen Liljigren or Hollowell.
5.) 28 Dec 2019 06:15:39
Not sure if I would do that LeafsGm. Dermott will be a good D for years to come and probably cheap. Dumba is a question mark right now. Maybe Kapanen Liljigren or Hollowell.
6.) 28 Dec 2019 12:55:55
I could see a deal with Ceci, Kapanen, Bracco, and a young D prospect (not Sandin or Liljegren) in exchange for Dumba and Hartman. My thinking is even if Minn thinks Dumba can turn it around they have to much defense to protect in the expansion draft. That and they have a lot of money tied up in D without Dumba contract. They could let Ceci walk in off-season or resign for cheaper. Hartman brings some grit to the bottom six.
04 Dec 2019 17:11:54
TOR - Nylander
ANA - Manson and Miller
Get a good backup and a right handed shutdown defenseman for a young offensive talent.
1.) 04 Dec 2019 19:10:44
If Manson wasn’t on long term IR, I would do this. Desperately need a top 4 dman with defensive conscious, need forwards with a defensive conscious. Wonder how much Miller has left.
2.) 04 Dec 2019 19:36:34
Nylander has been playing the best hockey so far in his little time in the NHL. No way they even think of trading him, right now.
3.) 04 Dec 2019 22:28:52
Nylander would have to be traded for Makar if he was to go. He has been the leafs best player under keefe. Of all the "spoiled brat" comments that get thrown out there about lots of guys, Nylander is the most spoiled. He looked like crap for a coach he didn't like because I think that's just who he is. "Oh yeah want to talk to me like that? I don't care then". Under Keefe he looks like the Nylander we all expected when he was drafted. A full season of this effort and some luck he could be a 30g 90pt guy on a good contract.
4.) 04 Dec 2019 22:53:49
Sell High! Bye bye Willy. Someone has to go!
5.) 05 Dec 2019 01:17:40
Willie doesn’t make enough to be the guy who needs to go. It’s either Matthews or Marner. And we need an elite 1C more than we need an elite 1RW. Kerfoot is not a 2C. So we need to keep Tavares and Matthews and give them elite, but reasonably priced, wingers. That Marner divining is so ridiculously overpriced it makes Dubas look real bad.
6.) 05 Dec 2019 02:52:59
Losing a 6.9 guy doesn't really help the cap situation a tonne. I still say it has to be mathews, Marner or Tavares that go if you decide you want to save some money. 3 guys making 34 a year is the issue if you don't like the top heavy team build. Whoever replaces Nylander has to be of similar value so will cost anywhere between 4-6m. That saves 2 a year. Doesn't help anything unless Kapanen or Bracco are as good as Nylander now does it?
7.) 05 Dec 2019 04:01:47
How is that selling high? Lol. Your getting an old backup and a top 4d that's currently injured. This seems like selling low to me.
For everyone saying "desperately need a defenceman" are we watching a different team? 1-1 until the collapse against philly and 2-1 with an empty better against Colorado. They haven't been Islanders defensively but they haven't been horrible. They are built to score and aren't scoring right now. That's the major issue. Marner had a good game I thought and will definitely help the offense but if Mathews can get going as well we are back in action.
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04 Jun 2019 13:10:35
I want to clear something up; Nylander is a more complete player than Marner.
1.) 06 Jun 2019 23:35:34
Yeah not really, Maybe offensively because Willy has the better shot but all around game not even close Marner smokes him.
13 Dec 2018 17:04:11
So I have seen a lot of people saying we should move kap for a dman or to improve the left side. I think its nuts. i think the play up front is to have:
Tavares-marner
Mathews-Kap
Kadri-nylander
Then get solid forechekers like hyman to play up that left side and run it like 3 first lines.
You should move gardiner over Kap every day of the week.
1.) 13 Dec 2018 21:15:31
You definitely have the right idea. Keeping our forward group intact and trading from LHD to address RHD seems most logical to me. What with Rosen and Sandin playing so well in AHL, it seems more and more unlikely that Gardiner will be returning. As pending UFA though, the return will be small and Dubes might just opt to hold on to him for a cup run this year.
What do you think we could get for Gardiner in return deal if we traded him Howlingstone? Would you prefer a puck/ prospect or future, or a short term but more proven player so we don’t diminish our odds at deep playoff run this year?
2.) 14 Dec 2018 15:07:03
well for starters I think the leafs have Gardiner, Johnsson, Brown, and Zaitsev as trade chips for this year. those are solid players that you could use to round out your lineup quite nicely.
secondly i don't think you use those trade pieces to go all in this season. I think you use them to develop a long term line up.
Thirdly, don't believe you want to make too many moves and mess with the chemistry of your team. This group has been through a lot together and you just can't cast guys aside.
AS for who I would target, i really like dallas as a trade partner. They are solid defensively but are struggling to put pucks in the net. I think Devin shore, Esa lindell, and maybe even Honka would be solid to pick up. They are just out of a playoff spot so taking a ufa that can help offense from the back end would be nice for them. Also Spezza will be coming off the books next year and they will have the cap space to sign gardiner.
You could also make an argument for NY islanders, but who do you take back. They have pulock, but everyone else is either just a little out of the price range or not worth having in the NHL. The other teams I think it makes sense to trade with are Anahiem, Arizona, Carolina, Edmonton, and maybe New Jersey.
I don't think there is a lot that will be done by Anahiem so I think its a waste to discuss. Similarly Edmonton has no real rome to make changes with how close they are to the cap. I would trade for Puljujarvi, but who do you give up for him. the only perosn would be Johnsson and that this selling pretty low.
New Jersey is interesting, because they are in last place in their conference but could stil turn the season around with the right moves. I think the targets her would be Zacha and Severson. The prolem is their cost would be high and would have to include a centre. So you would start off with lindholm and move on from there. I think it would end up looking like Johnsson, Lindholm, Gardiner +. If you did this though you could move hainsy to his natural side and put him with Z which would really help Zaitsev I think.
3.) 14 Dec 2018 16:33:21
Neither Puljujärvi or Zacha are living up to expectations. Johnsson is the only decent young piece we have that may be enough to entice either team. His performance has really picked up lately. We may be selling low, but so would NJ and EDM. I like Zacha because I see him as possible replacement for Kadri in a few years if he works out.
You did an outstanding job here identifying the best trade chips we have and potential trade partners and target players. You made it clear that you prefer long term growth over short term success a trade any cost. Very smart thinking. It would be nice to win a cup this year, but we want to win it again too after. I won’t be alive for the next parade if we go another 40+ years between championships.
13 Dec 2018 14:22:06
Hyman-tavares-marner
Marleau-kadri-nylander.
16 Aug 2018 19:11:03
Leafs should trade for Tanner Pearson. I think he could come fairly cheap a second and a middling prospect.
He is a hyman type player locked up at a decent price, responsible and can play up and down the lineup.
19 Mar 2021 18:29:31
A huge overpayment.
10 Sep 2020 02:29:31
Guys,
Getzlaf is no longer a top 6 center and he cannot perform to the level he has when he plays to many min. Which he is currently doing in Ana. Anaheim is in the process of rebuilding and has three future top 6 centers in their organization.
On toronto, Getzlaf would be able to play 15 min a night and step up on the odd night that he was needed to. He would be far more effective and would be very valuable for the $4.125 mil he would cost next year.
Further, the Ducks could really use a solid scoring winger in Johnnson as they were one of the worst teams at scoring goals the last few years. As for dermott, he will become a top four d in the comming years, and seeing how Anaheim was so porous on d they could yuse him desperately.
This is a trade that would be great for both teams and yall are crazy.
21 Nov 2019 15:40:16
This is a poor trade proposal.
12 Aug 2019 16:24:42
this is a terrible trade for the leafs.
18 Jul 2019 16:06:40
HAHAHA I put this trade up months ago and everyone on this site hated it. Now people are all in. What the Sh*T LOL.
14 Dec 2018 15:07:03
well for starters I think the leafs have Gardiner, Johnsson, Brown, and Zaitsev as trade chips for this year. those are solid players that you could use to round out your lineup quite nicely.
secondly i don't think you use those trade pieces to go all in this season. I think you use them to develop a long term line up.
Thirdly, don't believe you want to make too many moves and mess with the chemistry of your team. This group has been through a lot together and you just can't cast guys aside.
AS for who I would target, i really like dallas as a trade partner. They are solid defensively but are struggling to put pucks in the net. I think Devin shore, Esa lindell, and maybe even Honka would be solid to pick up. They are just out of a playoff spot so taking a ufa that can help offense from the back end would be nice for them. Also Spezza will be coming off the books next year and they will have the cap space to sign gardiner.
You could also make an argument for NY islanders, but who do you take back. They have pulock, but everyone else is either just a little out of the price range or not worth having in the NHL. The other teams I think it makes sense to trade with are Anahiem, Arizona, Carolina, Edmonton, and maybe New Jersey.
I don't think there is a lot that will be done by Anahiem so I think its a waste to discuss. Similarly Edmonton has no real rome to make changes with how close they are to the cap. I would trade for Puljujarvi, but who do you give up for him. the only perosn would be Johnsson and that this selling pretty low.
New Jersey is interesting, because they are in last place in their conference but could stil turn the season around with the right moves. I think the targets her would be Zacha and Severson. The prolem is their cost would be high and would have to include a centre. So you would start off with lindholm and move on from there. I think it would end up looking like Johnsson, Lindholm, Gardiner +. If you did this though you could move hainsy to his natural side and put him with Z which would really help Zaitsev I think.