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03 Dec 2017 19:55:03
Leafs trade
JVR
Conditional 4th(IF JVR RESIGNS)
Leafs Recieve
1st round pick
2nd round pick
Conditional(IF JVR RESIGNS) 3rd pick
Leafs Trade
1st Round Pick
1st round Pick
Carrick
Andreas Jhonson
Leafs Recieve
Drew Doughty
I Know its a long shot but this was more to gauge player value, what do you guys think?
1.) 03 Dec 2017 21:53:50
I think the JVR trade is a bit of a dream, but I would do it, if it was contingent on the 2nd trade happening. But having said that, I highly doubt, even with the 2 1st roiunders, it gets you Doughty.
A Doughty trade will never happen unless Marner or Nylander are going the other way and I don't want to do that.
2.) 03 Dec 2017 21:59:34
The leafs are most likely going to be a playoff team so the 2 1st will be late, Carrick is bottom pairing at best and Andreas is questionable so no from kings.
3.) 03 Dec 2017 23:02:51
BUF: Ristolainen
TOR: Brown, Neilsen, 1st and 2nd in 2018
Ristolainen brings a big gritty presence to our back line which we lack and would be a perfect partner for rielly.
Brown is a great player who I adore but can be replacement by Kapanen. Neilsen is also a great prospect but Dermott is miles ahead of him right now.
4.) 03 Dec 2017 23:10:16
Do u want doughty who is going to want at least 10 million a year @8 years if lilgejren turns into a player and dermott is decent and Neilsen ok are you not further ahead.
5.) 04 Dec 2017 02:16:00
No. Also, there’s a salary cap in the NHL.
Matthews - 11
Marner and Nylander - 6-8
Doughty - 10-11.5
Gotta fill a full roster, that’s hard to do having almost 40 mil tied up in four players.
To bridge Nylander or Marner would be a mistake and cost a lot more in the long run.
6.) 04 Dec 2017 08:54:16
Seriously, the leafs need to add at least another 1000 first rd picks.
7.) 04 Dec 2017 11:08:27
@Dbone
Up until the CBA gets renewed in 2022?, player will be paid up front with ridiculous yearly signing bonuses on declining salary structures, that constitute 80-90 % of their contract to avoid clawbacks in 2022. A smart move for the Leafs to use as that loophole will disappear in 2022. McDavid's contract is a model that illustrates this point; huge signing bonuses (larger than his cap hit the first two years) and giving him NMC status only after the cba is renegotiated.
As for the Leafs:
JVR, Bozak, and Leo will have to be moved prior to the deadline, to get something for them and lose their cap hit. Not a chance in hell, that any of the 3 re-sign with the Leafs, the Leafs can't afford them. Lou would be a fool not to trade them, this season before the deadline, getting whatever he can for them.
If the Leafs bridge Nye and Mar for 3 years, their value after that will not rise as McDavid's does not and that's the new base contract against what all others are rated. Player play to their level.
That's why a 3 year bridge is a good deal for the Leafs on Marner and Nylander. This delays the departure of one of them and the club still has control over them during the negotiations for an 8 year extension.
The Leafs sign which ever one of them has performed better and trade the other for picks/ prospects.
8.) 05 Dec 2017 00:30:03
I don’t disagree that the Leafs don’t resign any of Leo, JvR or Bozak. I think they simply let them walk after their playoff run however long or short it may be.
03 Nov 2017 16:51:21
Resign JVR for 4.5milx8 (he said he's willing to take a discount)
Trade Bozak for a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick or keep him for playoffs and lose him in FA (either is good)
Keep Leo for playoffs and let him walk in FA. (Kapanen as replacement)
Trade:
Carrick
1st Round Pick
Andreas Johansson
Fie
Tanev
3nd round pick
Leafs lines for the future look like:
Hyman-matthews-nylander
Kapanen-Kadri-Brown
Jvr-Marleau-Marner
Martin-Gauthier-lievo
GARDINER-TANEV
RIELLY-HAINSEY
BORGMAN-ZAITSEV
Andersen
Pickard
1.) 04 Nov 2017 20:45:49
What are you smokin? Not trading first rnd picks. especially for a guy who hasn't played 82 games. ever.
21 Sep 2017 19:31:54
Canucks Signed Gudbranson to a onw year extension and nesr the deadline I think the leafs should pick him up as he would be a perfect partner for rielly.
To Toronto:
-Erik Gudbranson
- (Conditional Pick if gudbranson resigns) 2019 Vancover 4th round pick
To Vancover:
- Kerby Rychel (Vancover is thin on Lw and he is very expendable as Grundstrom is ahead of him on the depth chart)
- Connor Carrick
- 2018 2nd round pick
-Conditional - 2019 3rd round pick if gudbranson is resigned.
1.) 22 Sep 2017 16:32:29
So you think they are going to pick up a top pair defenceman for spare parts?
2.) 22 Sep 2017 18:27:26
He's not even being played in Vancouver's top two pairs and the Canucks almost just traded him for a guy who could only fetch Jamie McGinn while retaining salary. Gudbranson brings a skill set to the table that the Leafs don't have and still has some potential if he could ever stay healthy.
11 Aug 2017 19:23:52
So Carolina has a massive Log fam at the LD position and The leafs have one at forward.
Hayden Fleury hasn't lived up to his 7th overall potential and they have hanafin, slavin and bean also on Ld so forwards for defence swap makes sense here.
To Leafs:
Hayden Fleury
To Carolina:
Jeremy Bracco c/rw
Josh Lievo lw/rw
1.) 11 Aug 2017 20:17:10
As a 21 year old at 6'3 220 to say he hasn't lived up to his potential isn't true, he's got one full season of pro hockey under his belt. Too soon to say he's not living up to his potential, the Canes got an excellent D core and don't need to rush D in, so I would do this trade in a second. Bracco is a high end talent but small and will play the wing in NHL which Toronto is stacked at so I would be happy with this trade. Fleury would be competing with Dermott and Marincin for that left side on the third pairing.
But it's a minor league deal, two non roster players that could both have major impacts to the respected teams, I like it. Leivo is Leivo, serviceable depth forward. I like the deal myself, and it opens up a roster spot.
2.) 13 Aug 2017 17:54:30
And why would you trade Bracco and Leivo, for a LHD that we don't need, that you feel is not living up to his potential.
Bracco has been used as trade fodder because the RW is stacked with high end talent ahead of him.
Leivo needs to get regular shifts on the Leafs 3rd line first. It's hard to prove yourself riding the pines.
Give them a chance to raise their values first.
Doesn't look like Fleury is going anywhere yet.
3.) 13 Aug 2017 21:26:44
I'm in agreement with Lab16's comments. Bracco in particular, is a prospect I would hold on to. As older players transition out of the teams roster over the next couple of years, guys like Bracco could be called up and slotted into the roster gaps. He's the kind of talented forward you'd like to be filling a roster spot on an ELC. I get the Leafs are deep at forward, but that shouldn't mean we need to part with that depth just to try and fill another need. We want depth in all areas. Also, well need to see whether Bracco's game can transition to the NHL. If he can replicate what he's done in junior, then the Leafs have another offensive weapon.
30 Jun 2017 15:58:16
Florida lost 3 of their top 9 Right wingers so this trade would benefit both teams and Florida is trying to move Demers really bad.
To Florida:
Josh Lievo
3rd round Pick
TO LEAFS:
Demers (1,000,000 Retained)
1.) 30 Jun 2017 16:24:14
Have heard also that Fla wants to move Demers (cap dump) . Makes for good trade partners, addresses both teams needs, dealing from their strengths. Hate to see Lievo go, think he will be a scorer when given the chance.
2.) 01 Jul 2017 15:30:04
Demers is 29 for 4 years at 4.5M
He is an average-good Dman on the offensive side and average-bad on the defensive side. And offers little else.
Petrovic is 25 for 1 year at 1.85M.
He is good to excellent defensively, and average-poor on the offensive side. He also hits, fights, sticks up for team mates and blocks shots.
I think you are trading for the wrong player. They can keep Demers and his soft play; we have enough of those already.
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05 Apr 2018 06:09:05
In 2016 Gardiner had 31 points and was a -15. 2017 he had 43 points and was a +25. 2018 he put up 50 points and is a plus 8 while playing high end minutes. Leafs fans that are saying to trade him are fools and can't spot talent if it smacked them in the face. I say instead of trading gardiner;
Leafs let Jvr, Komarov, bozak walk and bring in tavares for 7 years. When Matthews contract is up, sign him for 6 years so when tavares contract is over they can resign him with that money and can be a massive contender with them both on the team for the time being.
1.) 06 Apr 2018 05:21:15
I don’t think Tavares is someone Leafs should be looking at. Of course he is an all star centerman. But we don’t need him. We have a very capable second line center in Kadri, who also happens to be on a very cap-friendly contract. Tavares doesn’t address any of Leafs deficiencies. What we need is depth centerman, which Marleau or Bozak is good enough, and maybe add another grinder. Even Nylander can be utilized as a center if needed, though I feel he is best suited as winger.
If Leafs make a big splash in free agency, I would like to think that it would be for a top line RHD, of which we are sorely lacking. This position is a glaring deficiency in the Leafs current lineup, and is the one that has to be addressed first. Aside from Carlson, we could be pursuing other big name pending free agents in that position. There are lots of big names coming available, and the $10M expected salary for Tavares could be put towards a Doughty or Karlsson instead.
2.) 06 Apr 2018 18:19:11
Agree with LeafsGM for sure. don't go for JT. Tbh tho, i'd rather go after Carlson than EK or Doughty cause theyd cost north of 12.5++++. Carlson is more underrated and may only take 7.5-8 tbh. And he's compotent, and he's a better defensive dman than either of those.
3.) 08 Apr 2018 04:04:50
Pittsburgh showed the capability of winning a Stanley cup with no defencemen. The leafs D is not THAT bad. we'll have Rielly, Gardiner and Dermott playing on all 3 pairs next year. Pittsburgh had nowehere near that last year. By having Matthews, Tavares and Kadri, you could roll all three lines that would be top lines on almost any team. If we have a chance to get a top centremen, I'd be down for it.
16 Sep 2017 16:31:33
Leafs have the best offensive depth in the league and to give yourself a good chance in the playoffs, that depth is critical so trading players for picks isn't going to work and that's what this management will not do.
MARLEAU-Kadri-komarov
Jvr-Bozak-Marner
Hyman-Matthews-nylander
Martin-moore-Brown
And the additions for defence for the team will be through trading picks for them as the team is poised to take a playoff run this year so trading players for picks are in the past, especially players that can and will help the team.
1.) 29 Sep 2017 21:19:41
I agree they have moved from trading players for picks to trading picks for players . However, the salary cap era may dictate an old fashioned hockey trade, player for player or player plus pick (s) . Lou Lamariello wasn't shy to make these types of trades during the Devils glory days.
18 Jun 2018 17:12:14
So you want to move a 50 point defender, a 2nd round pick and a prospect for a player who can barely skate and who dermott, rosen borgman are all better than? Are you related to peter charielli by any chance?
16 Aug 2016 08:07:01
And leafs D looks like
Fowler-trouba
Rielly-zaitsev
Marincin/hunwick-polak/corrado
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