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12 Nov 2017 17:06:13
Leafs: JVR

Vegas: Colin Miller

Why leafs do it: the leafs have obvious forward depth, especially on the wings waiting for a bigger role (kapanen, Leivo, soshnikov) . The chances of them bringing back JVR is very small beyond this year anyway. They can get a 25-26 year old solid RHD with a bomb of a shot for the PP that they haven’t had since maybe Bryan McCabe (phaneufs was a rocket but never hit the net) . They can extend him right away at a reasonable cap hit and have Rielly, Miller, Gardiner, Zaitsev, all between 23 and 27 and all for less than $18 mill.

Why vegas does it: Vegas has D depth that they have tried to move and make room on that crowded blue line. Getting JVR also gives them 3 options in March. They can resign Him to replace James Neal if they trade him, they can trade both for a huge boost to their prospect and draft pick pool or they can trade him for the type of package they were hoping to get for Neal if they wanted to keep Neal now that he’s kind of become the early fave of the organization and thriving in the role.

Not too long ago I was hoping for the moon in a JVR trade but I think it’s time to realize that leafs need a D that can play now, and most teams willing to pay a big price for a UFA scorer are giving picks.

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1.) 12 Nov 2017 23:04:01
You need to pay for the big 3 and Matthews will come in around 10.5-11 Million.

I think Nylander and Marner can be held to 7 M each.

That's 25M (or roughly 1/ 3) against the cap that all other players would have to be weighted against.

If the Leafs have players being paid chump change, then in two years that is who they will play. Otherwise they have to start moving contracts and cap to fit. (see the Chicago Blackhawks) .

Better off trading one of the big 3. I say Nylander.

You can thank the Oilers and Sabres for this predicament who have massively overpaid their young stars. I hope Lou can talk sense to them.


2.) 13 Nov 2017 13:07:44
I think marner will definitely turn it on toward the end of the season, but I see him more in the range of kadris contract if the sign him in the summer. As for nylander, you're probably right at around 7mil and hopefully they convince Matthews to not take his max. Although he deserves every penny.


3.) 13 Nov 2017 14:48:09
Sorry rambled on and forgot to answer the trade proposal

If the Leafs can sign Miller for 3-4M then that's a good deal except JVR is worth a little more than Miller and would require a draft pick as well. A 1st, and if JVR doesn't re-sign with the Knights it becomes a 2nd (It stays a first if he is traded) .

If you think that's high; how do you explain Duchene getting so much at 1 year younger than JVR was last year with the same two years remaining. Duchene has been "meh" the last 3 years and not any better than JVR.

TOR: JVR
VEG: Miller, cond. 1st

Would Vegas want JVR; probably not - they still have to get rid of Neal and a whole bunch of other draftees.

How about:

TOR: Johnson, Moore, Timashov, Rychel
VEG: Miller, Lindberg.


4.) 13 Nov 2017 17:41:19
I would say Matthews will sign for arpund 11 million, Marner 6 million, Nylander 6-6.5 million.


5.) 13 Nov 2017 20:45:29
Matthews- 11.5 mil, Nylander 7 mil and Marner 4.5- 5 mil
roughly in the range of 24- 27 million.


6.) 14 Nov 2017 14:01:34
Carson:

You do realize that Marner got 61 pts last year in 4 games less than Nylander and was a 1st year pro straight out of junior (to the Leafs), while Willie is was a 3rd year pro (SHL, AHL/ Leafs/ Leafs) . Their experience in other pro leagues counts towards their development. And Marner back checks for his whole line while Nylander rarely back checks.

And as the team has stated; Marner drives his line, while Nylander does not.

Marner got 61 pts in the NHL, while Matthews got 46 in Zurich, a lesser league. And Matthew only got 69 - 8 points better than the other 2. Marner lead the team in points when he got injured, he just didn't do as well when he came back (was sick was a rumour) .

Marner started out slow last year as well. Nylander is now slumping as bad as Marner was at the start. But both will pull out of it.

Eichel got 10M and only got 55 pts in his first season. He did better in his 2nd season per game (injured) and got awarded for it. But he's the only star on that team. We have 3.

They have to get paid or they'll walk. Marner would be insulted by 4.5M while the others got more.


 

 

27 Jul 2017 19:00:44
I know 3-team trades don't happen often but I thought I'd give it a try.

Leafs trade- Bozak, leivo, 1st (lottery protected) and 3rd
Oilers trade- RNH
Devils trade- Severson

Leafs get severson
Oilers get Bozak,
Devils get RNH, Leivo, 3rd

Leafs get a prime age RHD

Oilers get Bozak to replace RNH. He makes 4.2 instead of rnh's 6 mill and his contract expires the day mcdavids deal kicks in. They can try to resign him to a deal that works for both, They can allow him to walk after a playoff run or trade him for assets at the deadline. Also get the first.

Devils get a good centreman that can play anywhere in your top 9. Can play in all situations and with skilled players. They also get josh leivo who has shown flashes of being an nhl caliber sniper with very limited opportunity. And a 3rd round pick

Biggest problem I see is Devils depth on D doesn't really allow them to trade one for a C.

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1.) 27 Jul 2017 22:16:40
Oilers trade RNH for Bozak, that alone would keep this trade from being plausible.


2.) 28 Jul 2017 13:23:20
If I did the addition correctly; that's RNH's (24 yrs) 255 pts vs. Bozaks (31 yrs) 260 over the same time frame from 2011-2017.

RNH is damaged goods, and is only worth a high 2nd, just like Yakpov was only worth a 3rd. I expect RNH will be heading to Vegas.

Your last line said it all. They need D. Severson is the Devils best defenceman after Green; why on earth would they move him. The GM would be moving himself right after.

The 1st should actually go to Washington as they are giving up the best player.

Three way deals, almost never happen any more and never work for all of the teams.

Your deal should leave Edmonton out of it.

The Leafs would have had Hamonic if they were willing to trade their 1st. But they are smart not to; as they have one of the best scouting staffs in hockey.

No picks are needed to be moved.


3.) 28 Jul 2017 22:13:04
I disagree with the assessment of RNH in these posts. RNH focused on building a well rounded game and he's now a better 200 ft player, he's capable of giving you 40-55 points and is still able to create offence. He's 24 compared to Bozak who is 31. Also, Bozak played with better players for most of that timeline.
The only negative with RNH is his contract, he's worth probably 4.5-5 not 6. Still a good 2nd line centre on a playoff team IMO.


4.) 29 Jul 2017 18:38:43
I guess Hall, Dri, Eberle, and McJesus all suck.

Bozak played with JVR, PhatDog, and now Marner for one year.

They've been trying to trade him for 4 years now, but no one will bite with that contract and lousy production.

Two way player? Doubt it.


5.) 29 Jul 2017 20:00:26
Your timeline had the majority playing with either Eberle or Hall, Mcdavid didn't play with RNH and neither did RNH.
Hall broke 80 points one season and his next highest is 65
Eberle is similar
While with Toronto Kessel on had one season under 60 points and Bozak was the biggest benificiary of this.

Now before we get carried away here, I love Bozak and his game and hope he extends in Toronto as long as it's at a reasonable price.


6.) 30 Jul 2017 14:45:58
That was the range when they both played.

Yes RNH didn't play with RNH (tee hee), sorry McJesus, and that put him on the 2nd line and sometimes 3rd line; and his numbers started to fail. Not what you are looking for in a second line center who will not face what the 1st sees, game in and game out.

In fairness the Oiler were tanking much harder than the Leafs, so that would have some effect on RNH's points.

He played with Lucic this past year and performed just like a 3rd line center. Even worse the previous year.

Bozak made many plays to Kessel who missed many attempts in the last year with poor effort during a time when the team was tanking.
JVR had broken his foot. So Bozaks 35 pts was well below what it should have been as he didn't have the linemates.

Nobody is saying Bozak is a number one center; but RNH is clearly not either. They are both slightly above average centers.

On playing Bozak; absolutely not. He needs to be traded for picks and then re-signed as an FA for a reasonable team price. Same for JVR and Leo.

This is called the Polak method.

I think the Leafs are headed to a run of contention after this coming season and we will need underpaid vets just like Chicago and Pittsburgh use with their lure of a cup run.

Fun aside the Leafs if they wish to replace Bozak, need a center that is a compliment to Marner, and they already have him in Marleau for 3 years. In the short term JVR can be replaced by a number of kids hungry to prove their worth. Same for Leo.

If Bozak, JVR, and Leo don't return to the Leafs as FA's, or if they sign extensions with their new teams; they don't bleed blue and we are better off.


7.) 31 Jul 2017 16:02:53
Well "Phatdog " got the last laugh with 2 rings and the leafs has just signed "the old fart"?


8.) 01 Aug 2017 15:24:53
No, the Pens "with or without" PhatDog would have won the cup, but congratulations to him for riding the coat tails of the players that did the work to win it. That still doesn't change the fact that he loafed here his last year.

That's not the old fart we were talking about before. It's another one that can skate like a 20 year old, we've been told.


9.) 02 Aug 2017 04:20:14
Lab

Nah "Phatdog" just came off a 70 point season and was the leading scorer in 2016 Stanley cup finals, he's had the last laugh no matter what you say and he's definitely better than JVR who's been producing because of marner and or kessel for the last year's.


10.) 02 Aug 2017 13:19:36
That's it? 70 points for an 8M (minus a 1.2M dollar stench) player?

The Leafs have 3 rookies at 61 points or better, plus Kadri, plus JVR. Plus Bozak better than the rest of the Penguins after Kessel.

So how significant is 70 pts (a lousy 23 goals for a sniper) for the Penguins. It's no difference at all. The Pens had better secondary players throughout the lineup who contribute.

They would have won the cup without him. But congratulations to him for riding the coattails of Malkin and Crosby.


 

 

16 Feb 2017 16:42:10
Rumor I read, not sure how legit but interesting thought.

Leafs trade: JVR and Roman Polak
Ducks trade: Kevin Bieksa, C Stoner and Sam Steel.

Ducks have been looking for a top 6 winger with size for a while and have been linked to JVR before. He had success under Carlyle in TO also. No secret leafs want veteran D to help out rielly and zaitsev and carrick. Bieksa would need to waive his NMC, but if he does that helps ducks because they could then protect fowler, vatanen ans lindholm. Stoner is a decent D stop gap on the blueline while players develop. JVR and polak is 6.5 mill while stoner and bieksa are 7.25. Both could be used for a run to the playoffs and only have next year left on their deals. Stoner could be exposed to Vegas after this season.

Sam steel is the kicker. He was selected late in the first round with the pens pick that the leafs sent the ducks for Andersen. Has over 100 pts in 45 games for WHL.

Not the return I thought Leafs would want for JVR but has a lot of moving parts that seem to benefit both teams. I would assume prospects leafs want to accumulate should be D, but any young player with potential is an asset. Maybe they can then move other young forwards or package steel.

Unbiased Jim

1.) 16 Feb 2017 16:56:07
So leafs take two bad contracts and only get Steel? Leafs should get a young RHD.


2.) 16 Feb 2017 17:29:07
This deal sounds terrible.


3.) 16 Feb 2017 21:52:45
it was reported by chris johnston sportsnet yesterday (good source) leafs would be willing to take back bad contract but only for this year. bieksa has one more year after this. i will believe johnston.
my guess is bieksa does not waive to come to toronto. why would he? with ducks he is going to make playoffs with toronto maybe not.


 

 

 

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11 Sep 2017 22:32:41
Pens D this year was really bare looking too. Leafs have a ton of fire power. I wouldn't count them out of winning a cpl rounds this year. Not saying it's going to happen, but penguins won the cup with a weak D core by playoff team standards, and preds went to the finals having the worst regular season record of all 16 playoff teams. It's a different animal and anything can happen. If leafs are in a playoff hunt, I'd rather JVR than Demers or a late first because the only teams going to trade for him will be a top team.

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11 Sep 2017 18:12:21
No way from leafs. If the best D you can get for JVR is an overpaid bottom pair Guy with 3+years left, then you just keep the 30 goal winger with experience for a playoff run. Trading JVR for demers makes you worse today and far worse in the future. Can you imagine when this expected cap crunch comes with marner, nylander and Matthews comes and the problem with not keeping all 3 is a 6th Dman?!?

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23 Sep 2016 02:39:41
Quality over quantity. Lots of garbage doesn't automatically make it not garbage.

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24 Jul 2016 05:07:42
Islandjet Jets don't want prospects or picks, need NHL ready guys so you say marner?!?! The guy is the epitome of prospect. 5'10 160 pounds and never played a second of NHL hockey. Again. Watch some games, learn the other teams players and offers before you talk. Everytime. I feel bad for jets fans because you seem to be the only vocal one on here and you're giving them a rep as uneducated.

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24 Jul 2016 04:58:52
Islandjet is just a leafs hater. Has never watched a game before probably. Just doesn't like kadri and shoots his mouth of with no knowledge of what he brings or doesn't bring to a team.

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