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11 Sep 2019 19:53:16
CBJ:
- Mitch Marner
- Justin Holl
- 2020 4th rd pick acquire from VGK
TO:
- Seth Jones
- Emil Bemstrom
- 2020 1st rd pk
I think everyone will agree that Marner is unbelievable, however the leafs cannot afford to play the game with him, he's clearly not interested in staying with the leafs long-term, he turned down 8x11 because he wants 3-4 years at 11+ then to cash in again, my opinion he's not a double digit player, closer to 9 million a season, many won't agree but it's what I believe. Unfortunately in the cap world tough decisions have to be made, Dubas by paying 91, 34,and 88 30 million has made his choice, in this proposal the leafs get back that stud RHD at a reasonable cost and term, let's be honest Barrie will be gone next year anyway, plus recoup the 1st rd pk lost to get rid of marleau and a decent prospect. CBJ although hard to see Jones and a 1st go watched helplessly as one by one stars left in freeagency, their fans are up in arms and need a star to fall in love with, Marner easily becomes their best player and helps renew some sense of respect back to management, they'll be able to lock him up and pay him the 11 + he feels he deserves, as far as Jones CBJ have several good D and can afford looking him, Holl helps with the depth and the 4th rd pk lessons the pain of giving up the 1st.
1.) 11 Sep 2019 20:20:07
The value of defenceman seems to have plummeted lately for whatever reason so CBJ may be willing to do a Jones for Marner trade. I do not think they will include a 1st though. That's a bit rich.
2.) 11 Sep 2019 22:01:27
I say if you take out those picks this may be the type of deal happens.
Dmen aren't getting as much on the trade or signing market as they use too. I think teams think they can replace dmen easy simply because the structure teams come up with can just plug and go with anyone if the system works. High end skilled forwards don't grow on trees and a teams structure can't make a player more talented.
You can't teach skill but you can teach defence.
I don't totally agree with this philosaphy but unfortunately it seems to be going tthis route more and more each year.
3.) 11 Sep 2019 22:35:10
Anyone else remember (maybe one or two years ago) when a 1C was worth a 1D? Lol.
4.) 12 Sep 2019 04:30:17
Its all basic economics of supply and demand. It’s all cycles. For a while, defence will rule the game, and you have all these great defensemen, and forwards are kinda just so-so. Then as coaches and gm’s realize they have a surplus of defense and lack of forwards, they start directing scouting and development towards offense. And that goes on for a while, until the next cycle starts. We saw this in the switch from the high scoring 80’s to the trap crazy 90’s/ 00’s, only to see it switch again to a game focused on speed and goal scoring. After the great defensemen from the previous era retired (Lidstrom, Neidermeyer, Chelios, Blake, Bourque, etc), we didn’t have much in terms of high quality defensemen during the Crosby/ Ovechkin era. The focus was on goal scoring, and we saw plenty of it for at least ten years, as lots of guys were hitting over 50 goals every year, not just OV. There was OV, Crosby, Stamkos, Iginla, St. Louis. That remained the standard for a while, until about just recently actually. The nhl is undergoing another subtle shift in the game. Now speed and skill is prized most of all in defensemen. They are now the drivers of the play again. It started about ten years ago with the drafting of guys like Karlsson and Doughty and Burns and Hedman, and seems to be reaching its peak right about now with guys like Dahlin, Heiskenan, Rielly, Chabot, McAvoy, Werenski all leading the way for the next ten years.
With so many high quality defensemen right now, and only a very few 50 goal/ 100 point forwards, the elite forwards are outnumbered by the elite defensemen. Every team in the nhl right now has at least one elite defenseman. Not every team has a 50 goal/ 100 point player, with quite a few teams not even having guys break the 50 point mark, despite having an elite defenseman (Arizona, Anaheim, NJ, LA, for example) .
So cost of defender is low again right now, as all these high quality defensemen are flooding the market. Elite forwards cost is high. There just aren’t that many 100 point scorers anymore. So those guys that can break a century also break the bank and take home the big bucks.
And that, is hockey economics 101. It’s a business. And same as every big business, it is subject to business cycles
and waves.
5.) 12 Sep 2019 08:41:48
Jackets say no.
6.) 12 Sep 2019 10:13:10
Great explanation LeafsGM.
Ive been trying to get his point across for a few weeks now but some on this site just don't understand the economics of hockey or buisness. Most here do but some its just right over their head.
Werenski is a fast puck moving dman who is exciting for the game but his signing shows how teams value these guys compared to high end forward talents. The money and value is in the high end forwards for this cylcle. I agree every team has at least one of these dmen. The market is flooded with them so now most of every teams resources will go into finding those forwards. Its going to be 1993 all over again in the next couple of years.
18 Jul 2018 04:23:37
Dallas: Nylander
Toronto: Klingberg
1.) 18 Jul 2018 13:30:27
Hall for larson.
2.) 18 Jul 2018 17:02:33
Would rather trade Reilly for Heiskenan.
3.) 18 Jul 2018 17:09:51
Te Reilly for Heiskenan comment was only half serious btw.
I would love Heiskenan on the team and value him highly. But he’s not ready to take Reilly’s spot just yet. Soon though.
09 Jun 2018 00:16:34
Car - Nylander, Gardiner, 2nd rd pk 18
Tor - Faulk, 2nd overall pk 18
Sign Tavares 7yrs x 10 mil
Sign Neal 5years x 5 mil
Neal Tavares Marleau
Hyman Matthews Marner
Brown Kadri Kapenan
Johnsson Gauthier Martin
Riley Faulk
Dermott liljegren
Hainsey Carrick
Borgman
Andersen
McElhinney
1.) 09 Jun 2018 03:59:22
Is the salary cap 90 million?
2.) 09 Jun 2018 05:10:22
This is a bad trade for both teams.
Under no circumstances do I see Carolina taking Gardner.
And under no circumstances do I see Toronto trading Nylander for a pick. Even the second overall.
You’re banking on Svechnikov turning out to be a better player than Nylander, which he very well may turn out to be (in which case, why would Carolina make this trade) . But there is always a risk of having him be a bust. If Leafs trade Nylander, you can be sure it will be for a proven player of high caliber, not for a pick.
04 Nov 2017 20:30:22
After watching the first month of the season I believe the leafs need to make a couple moves to continue their progression.
Leafs:
Trouba
Jets:
Gardiner, lowest of their 2nd pks
Leafs:
Nurse
Oilers:
JVR
Komarov to a Western Conference team for a 2nd Rd pk.
Carrick to the AHL, Polak 7th D
Time to let leivo and kapanen play every day, also adds a RD in Trouba and some toughness in Nurse..
1.) 06 Nov 2017 17:43:22
Big no from the Jets. They aren't going to take that big of a downgrade on D for a 2nd round pick.
17 Jun 2017 06:26:38
TO - 3rd overall pick 2017
DAL- Gardiner, 4th rd pk (pitts) 2017
TO - Hamonic, Barzal, 15th overall pick 2017
NYI - JVR, Lindberg, 17th overall pick 2017
Draft best C available at 3 to develop behind Matthews allowing Nylander and Marner to stay on wing moving forward.
Draft best D available at 15.
Trading JVR allows protection of another young F in expansion draft.
1.) 17 Jun 2017 14:51:06
I would take all these trades and run, Gardiner is not even worth a 3rd overall, Lindberg has little value and JVR isn't worth Hamonic and Barzal.
2.) 17 Jun 2017 17:07:06
2nd trade I like can get more for Gardiner.
3.) 17 Jun 2017 19:49:13
I wouldn't do the 2nd trade. With the 3rd from Dallas, I would take Gab Vilardi. and one of either Hague or Foote at 17th.
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10 Apr 2017 19:11:12
Wondering if anyone else is on the same page as I am with the Leafs moving forward? I want to say stick rebuilding and trade the likes of JVR, Bozak, Komorov etc.. then I think is it not a better idea to keep them at least until the youth requires new contracts? I look at their core of young players already and almost believe the rebuild is done, the first wave is here and producing and the 2nd wave has already been drafted. Obviously they need more D moving forward but could do that through FA or trades. Is it a good idea to tear down again this off season or continue to allow this team to grow as it is and add when needed? Either way I think the Leafs management has a tough off season coming, thankfully unlike previous years they know what they're doing! Go Leafs Go, feels great to see the passion and excitement back! Looking forward to everyone's thoughts..
1.) 11 Apr 2017 01:32:43
I tend to think the teardown phase is over and they will now look to move some pieces to address the weakness's. The veterans they kept have proven their value this year (good job identifying them) and will only be moved to fill those gaps.
26 Dec 2016 02:47:33
Smith is good I get why the leafs have him, CBJ could use him for the second half push, plus they just lost a forward to injury. It would give the leafs a chance to keep Gauthier up to continue to develop he does have the skills to be good at face offs himself, plus opens a contract spot.
22 Jul 2016 19:08:09
Well I do appreciate your opinion, however I'm looking at a 6'3" 200lb C drafted 6th overall in 15 who has skill, size and speed don't see how I've over valued him. I would agree that the leafs need D for sure, however they have a few prospects on the way and are in a total rebuild that Gardiner doesn't fit into moving ahead. What makes Leipsic so valuable? As far as the pick you have to give to get. And I'm a Leaf fan who knows how we like to over value our prospects and players.
21 Jul 2016 04:35:33
Sign B. Scrivens 2 year deal, why give up assets for a backup. He played well the first time around and will be a cheap alternative and can be exposed in expansion draft.
1.) 22 Jul 2016 01:52:16
the Leafs need to trade or a goalie because they have too many forwards
21 Jan 2017 05:27:24
David,
I understand you point on getting rid of players on there down side, however I disagree with your opinion that JVR is on the way down. He still produces at a high level, big high skilled players are very hard to find. Yes Nylander has huge upside, but to quote you " defense man are expensive" Trouba plays at a premium position RHD and would fit perfect on Rielly's right side and has tremendous up side himself. It seems like everyone wants the Leafs to give away minimal for max return. JVR maybe older then the core moving forward, but let's be honest look at all the good teams they have a balance of youth and vets, JVR would sit perfectly in the top six moving forward, like you said he is 27 and still has years left before he falls out of his prime, don't forget the Hawks couldn't push through until Hossa arrived an older player to take some pressure off their young core. I'm not confused at all just realistic, I think the leafs can afford to move Nylander for Trouba which fills a much bigger need for them. The Jets won't move him for JVR, but Nylander might peak their interest enough to get it done.