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12 Sep 2017 21:54:47
Toronto- Bozak

Pittsburgh-1st round pick


Toronto- Leivo 2018 1st and 2019 2nd

Vancouver- Tanev.

Keon14

1.) 12 Sep 2017 23:57:04
Just don't see the Leafs trading from an area of weakness. Centre is a position we have perilously little depth.

Too much for Tanev.


2.) 13 Sep 2017 04:18:21
Chrisdafish

I don't like his trade but your saying centre is not our strength it's our best strength late this season

Matthews
Nylander
Kadri
Moore


Coming soon

Gauthier
Brooks.


3.) 13 Sep 2017 13:05:01
@keon14 i posted before that I think bozak will be back. He's a leader who's become a norm in toronto media and can help a guy like marner maybe make the transition to center or even nylaner. Thinking front loaded 4 years 13-15 mill. As for tanev I don't think you need to give up that much. Although you will have to switch to a D prospect. If vancouver trades tanev they will want to fill his spot from the system and have a guy they can watch grow in a year or two. Think Neilson. Good trade tho. Maybe get rid of the second. Vancouver will be desperate. Although I don't think the leafs do either, good ideas tho.

@davidmakin just because you name off prospects doesn't mean we have depth. 3 out of 6 have never played center in the nhl (besides nylanders 10faceoffs last season and Freddie 5 games or so) I also believe they are weak down the middle. Brooks is unproven in the nhl could be another Freddy the goat. As for Gauthier he's a call up plug in 4th line player that they might use on the pk during the season. He really has no value other than being a call up when desperate.


4.) 16 Sep 2017 04:17:58
Nylander will play wing this year, and most likely will play wing his entire career. While he is easily capable of playing top line wing, his lack of size, leadership, and poor defensive play means he will never be a number one center. Personally, I think we should trade Nylander and bring in RNH to be our number two center. Nylander is easily the most expendable of our top four forwards and will fetch a high return. And with the picks and prospects we get from trading JVR and Bozak and with what's already in the system, a package for RNH would be possible.


5.) 16 Sep 2017 19:19:23
RNH is an injury waiting to happen. really poor idea.


 

 

26 Aug 2017 17:46:20
It has been reported that Lou and Babcock were in Russia to meet with Moscow defenceman Igor Ozhinov. He has 1 year left on ho contract is 25 and shoots right.

Think this is a sign that Toronto will not be trading for a RHD and if inked to a deal it will be the same path Zaitsev took who by the way played with Ozhinov in Moscow.

Keon14

1.) 26 Aug 2017 19:39:57
Let's hope he signs next summer. Who has better team Toronto or Edmonton I say Toronto.


2.) 27 Aug 2017 00:31:56
Agreed Davidmackin although I could be biased into thinking so. But I do think the leafs are more than just Matthews and they are also not tied to any contracts that may haunt them.


3.) 27 Aug 2017 01:24:20
Leafs have big three Matthews mariner and nylander and we don't know what kapanen I say capable of yet three great players brings cups Chicago Pittsburgh.


4.) 27 Aug 2017 09:37:46
Will be interesting to watch marlies Andreas johnsson Bracco brooks timashov liljegren and Nielsen and from Russia keep an eye on korshkov he will put up numbers in khl.


5.) 27 Aug 2017 18:17:21
Good points David couldn't agree more.


 

 

23 Aug 2017 22:55:53
Biased? Far from it. Read the post it would be a signed JVR. In the Hamonic case it was a 1 year JVR

Carolina has a large amount invested in their d core. Yes Skinner is good but what's wrong with trying to improve offensively. By the way Goat wondering why I rarely see you be productive on this site and play the part of a judge. Do I think these transactions will happen? No but this site is for fun peace bro.

Keon14

1.) 24 Aug 2017 03:45:47
Agreed ^
Goatson, ya seem like a bitter old man always chopping up others ideas. Some deserve it, some don't. Its okay not to agree that's what the votes are for.


2.) 24 Aug 2017 15:38:19
JVR would be best suited on a contending team just like Phil with pitts, yes canes would want to improve offensively but they're giving up two much. JVR is good but he's already 28 and a team like the canes won't want him long term, giving up a 25 years old top d plus a 2nd is bad for them. Look at the Taylor hall deal, he is signed for multiple years, young, better than JVR and only got Adam Larsson in return, I'm sorry if I offended you.


 

 

23 Aug 2017 19:20:03
Going to go off the wall with this one. Sign and trade deals are done all the time in the NBA good one be done in the NHL wondering how interested JVR would be being united with his brother in Carolina. What is a 30 goal scorer Worth in free agency. Maybe 7,000,000 over five years

Toronto signs JVR to the contract since him to Carolina for Justin Faulk and a second.

Keon14

1.) 23 Aug 2017 20:49:49
I think Toronto adds a lot in this deal.


2.) 23 Aug 2017 21:21:58
As nice as the sign and trade deals are for the NBA, they are not viable options in the NHL, as all teams can offer similar contracts provided they do not exceed individual player and team cap totals. That being said, what the Leafs could do is in the case of making a deal with a team like Carolina, they could allow for the Canes management team to have open discussions with JVR about signing a long-term deal. By doing so, the Leafs would potentially increase their return. More often than not, you don’t hear of teams giving permission to speak with other team’s players as this would set a bad precedence within a franchise for dealing with pending free agents.


3.) 23 Aug 2017 21:59:44
Why would Carolina do this? JVR is aging while Faulk is heading into his prime. They already have Skinner and aho who are better, fualk is going to lead all the young d in Carolina . If Islanders rejected JVR plus a 1st for harmonic, what makes you think Carolina would trade Faulk ( better than hamonic) plus a 2nd? This is an example of how biased a fan can be.


4.) 23 Aug 2017 22:09:34
JVR is plenty for Faulk and a second.


5.) 24 Aug 2017 00:06:13
Fair comparison Goatson. The Harmonic trade rejection gives some evidence for JVR's perceived value. Toronto would have a better chance in flipping JVR for a team's top prospect.


6.) 24 Aug 2017 00:40:11
TJ Oshie was signed for $5.75 MM for 6 years or more. He is 30 years old, and his scoring prowess is the same as JVR.

That is the value JVR is worth. Sign him and keep him, trade Bozak, Martin or Komorov. Than hope the cap goes up 3 to 5% in each of the next two years.

Sign Gardiner for $5.5 MM for 6 years. Extend him now.

That way the Leafs can play with another 8 young prospects who may have 1 or 2 years of experience by 2019/ 20.

Bozak, Komorov or Martin that is who the Leafs should trade and try to maximize the return in young talent or draft picks.


7.) 24 Aug 2017 02:30:48
Heatdreamer,
I wouldn't compare the Oshie signing with the Leafs situation and JVR. It has been speculated that JVR's new contract will command north of 6 million and maybe around 7 which means the Leafs may need to pass when you factor in who they will need to sign in a couple of years. Washington has taken some flak since signing Oshie to his new deal. They've lost a couple of their younger players and are still anchored to heavy contracts like Ovechkin's. Just because the Caps were foolish enough to overpay an aging forward doesn't mean the Leafs should follow suit. Advance statistics illustrate that Oshie played above his norm and indicate that his most recent level of production is unlikely to continue. The Oshie deal may look okay for now, but that's a deal that the Caps may regret down the road as Oshie's production declines.

Any good team shouldn't just make trades and hope for cap limits to increase. That isn't smart cap management. What if the cap doesn't increase by the desired amount? Then what? Your team will be forced to make some hard decisions.

Gardiner is another player who make ask for more than 6 million per. Is that an amount that the Leafs can include on their payroll moving forward?

Martin isn't going anywhere for the time being so any trade proposals which include him are not happening whether we like it or not. The Leafs overpaid to get this guy and they used one of their protection spots during the expansion draft. From what I've read and heard about him, is that he's a 'glue guy' and great in the dressing room. There are some intangibles that we are not aware of that all teams like the Leafs might value more than acquiring a draft pick.


8.) 24 Aug 2017 20:07:35
A lot of people over a period of time have made reference to the Larson/ Hall trade as the sign of the times. my opinion is that just because a G. M. makes a foolish move doesn't mean that all G. M. 's are foolish as well. Other G. M's will then want the Larson/ Hall trade to be the trend setter but, If one G. M. turns down a trade does that mean that all G. M. 's will turn down all trades. no. of course not. So, please don't paint all G. M. 's with the same brush, because some deals are desired more, and some are realistic.


9.) 24 Aug 2017 22:51:13
Fermanaghlad,

Would you please clarify what you meant in your most recent post?

Thanks.


10.) 25 Aug 2017 17:48:49
Fermanaghlad,

Trend setting is a common theme in the NHL.

Everything big that happens with one team, creates a ripple effect throughout the league. For instance, the signing of McDavid’s massive contract will definitely impact negotiations for other star players in this league as athletes want to be paid according to “market trends. ” Hockey analysts speculate the “middle class” of the NHL may be in jeopardy because of these deals. But that’s another thread altogether. Trades work very much in the same way. This isn’t to say that the Oilers have now established a definitive market price for a top pairing defenceman, but other teams have noted the cost the Oilers were willing to meet thus creating similar expectations.

I’m assuming that the reason why the Leafs have yet to land their top pairing defender is that most teams covet one of their young studs in return, and I’m positive that’s when Lamoriello politely declines and hangs up the phone. The Leafs tried with Harmonic, hoping that a top 4 could be landed. Perhaps they will revisit a trade option like this towards the trade deadline. Unlikely though as teams interested in trading for JVR at the deadline will be playoff contending teams looking to load up; not adding by subtracting from their rosters but by offering futures instead.

You may recall a couple of seasons ago, the Leafs had a guy named Parenteau of whom they tried to move at the trade deadline but were unsuccessful. Many were surprised to see Parenteau still with the Leafs post-trade deadline. Sources later revealed that Lamoriello was unwilling to bend from his asking price as it would affect his current and future negotiations. His rationale was that if he caved and just got whatever was offered, when he needed to return to the table again in the future, he would have already set the market price with the original Parenteau deal. To give an example, the Isles, who were reportedly interested in Parenteau, were unwilling to part with Toronto’s asking price of a 2nd round pick, even though, Andrew Ladd, who held identical offensive numbers, but for more than double the salary, was traded for a prospect, 1st and 3rd round pick. In retrospect a 2nd round pick didn’t sound like an overpayment for someone like Parenteau but the Isles were not willing to go that high.

The much debated Larsson/ Hall trade will be ongoing until long after these players have moved on from their prospective teams. We can debate about whether Chiarelli overpaid for Larsson or whether Shero fleeced the Oilers GM, but several trends have emerged since the implementation of a hard salary cap.
So this isn’t a painting of the brush or labelling all GM’s the same, but you can’t help but ignore the market trends.


 

 

15 Aug 2017 20:25:19
Marchenko cleared waivers and has signed with the KHL. That leaves Toronto with 2RHD.

Toronto- sign Cody Franson to play with Reilly Hainsey will not be able to play top pairing minutes


Toronto-Bozak
Pittsburgh-1st round pick


Toronto-JVR Leivo
Carolina-Staal
Leafs need to improve with defensive forwards Staal would compliment Komorov.

Keon14

1.) 16 Aug 2017 03:07:37
not satisfied with JVR trade tbh.


2.) 16 Aug 2017 14:48:35
Respect your opinion Austin Matthews but after seeing what Edmonton got for Taylor Hall I am just wondering if all of us including Myself are overvaluing JVR with the one year left on his contract could Leafs get more at the trade deadline maybe.


3.) 16 Aug 2017 14:51:00
Hainsey can't play top pairing minutes? Babcock has said he plans to pair him with Reilly. Who knows more about Hainsey - Babcock or you?


4.) 16 Aug 2017 16:03:37
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense moving JVR at the deadline. He's the kind of guy you'd bring in at the deadline . Personally I think if he's not moved by the end of the month they figure out a way to keep him for the 1 year for depth purposes.


5.) 16 Aug 2017 17:43:39
Most definitely Babcock knows more than I but I think he doesn't have much choice does he DBF. Who should he pair Reilly with, Carrick? Not If there are no further changes we will see how well Hainsey holds up playing against the oppositions top line every game especially at his age.


6.) 16 Aug 2017 21:31:09
I’m in agreement with Keon’s assessment of overvaluing players, however, the trade deadline may pose a different outcome as logic far often flies out the window. Since the reported trade offer of JVR and a first for Harmonic, three things became apparent. First, the Leafs acknowledge that JVR is not in the team’s long term plans. Second, JVR’s trade value may have been somewhat established (i. e. not getting you a top pairing defenceman in a straight up swap or packaged with a high pick) . Thirdly, he’s available anytime and for the right price by any team willing to take him on as a rental.

The Leafs have already cut some financial corners by letting Boyle go in favour of the more economical Moore. I would expect other future cost cutting measures to offset the contracts of their star players. Staal was an integral part of the Pens lineup, often matching up against other teams top lines and playing crucial 3rd line minutes for the most part. The Pens highly valued him and understood his importance to the team, but the economics of the game far outweighed keeping him. Staal is also under contract for another 6 seasons at 6 million per. Toronto already has a 3rd line center in Kadri playing for 1.5 million less. Even then, some people have argued whether Kadri’s contract will need to be moved once Matthews, Marner, and Nylander are signed long term to big money. I’m in agreement with Keon’s assessment of overvaluing players, however, the trade deadline may pose a different outcome as logic far often flies out the window. Since the reported trade offer of JVR and a first for Harmonic, three things became apparent. First, the Leafs acknowledge that JVR is not in the team’s long term plans. Second, JVR’s trade value may have been somewhat established (i. e. not getting you a top pairing defenceman in a straight up swap or packaged with a high pick) . Thirdly, he’s available anytime and for the right price by any team willing to take him on as a rental.

The Leafs have already cut some financial corners by letting Boyle go in favour of the more economical Moore. I would expect other future cost cutting measures to offset the contracts of their star players. Staal was an integral part of the Pens lineup, often matching up against other teams top lines and playing crucial 3rd line minutes for the most part. The Pens highly valued him and understood his importance to the team, but the economics of the game far outweighed keeping him. Staal is also under contract for another 6 seasons at 6 million per. Toronto already has a 3rd line center in Kadri playing for 1.5 million less. Even then, some people have argued whether Kadri’s contract will need to be moved once Matthews, Marner, and Nylander are signed long term to big money.

It’s in the Leafs best interests to look for more cost effective players to balance their salary structure. Trading for Staal would necessitate the Leafs losing a valuable player down the road like Brown or even Nylander.


It’s in the Leafs best interests to look for more cost effective players to balance their salary structure. Trading for Staal would necessitate the Leafs losing a valuable player down the road like Brown or even Nylander.


7.) 17 Aug 2017 12:22:12
Toronto jvr and bozak and a 3rd
Pitsburg letang and reaves

Toronto trouba or myers
Winnipeg bozak or jvr

Toronto faulk
Carolina jvr or bozak and a 2nd

Boston jvr
Toronto carlo and a 3rd

Colorado bozak and a 3rd
Toronto johnston

Florida jvr bozak and a 2nd
Toronto ekblad

Minnesota bozak a 3rd
Toronto dumba

San jose bozak
Toronto braun

Just a few ideas.


8.) 17 Aug 2017 13:46:19
Leafs fan,

The majority of these types of trades have previously been posted by other members and met with some valid criticism. You wouldn't need to look any further than the proposed JVR and a 1st round pick for Harmonic to understand that the majority of your trade ideas will never come to fruition.

As much as I would love to see any number of these trade options happen, both Bozak and JVR are overvalued in almost every trade proposal. If either of this two Leaf forwards are getting traded, it will be to teams looking for immediate help in the playoffs or a team looking for that final piece as they make their run to the cup. This more than likely means that the trading team will prefer to offer draft picks/ prospects than removing a key player from their team. This may also be why we have yet to see either player traded, as they are more valuable to the Leafs on the roster than acquiring additional futures that may or may not pan out in the next few years. I'm not opposed to the Leafs trading these two, just saying that the expected return won't be any prized player.

The only way I see the Leafs end up with a player like Trouba is if they overpay in a trade and where the trading team has given up all hope in resigning the soon to be RFA. The more likely scenario are trades like Drouin where teams look to recoup blue chip assets for youth; not for rental players like Bozak and JVR.


 

 

 

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27 Aug 2017 18:17:21
Good points David couldn't agree more.

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23 Aug 2017 16:18:13
Where is Zaitsev.

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18 Aug 2017 16:02:44
Strongly agree with you Dbone JVR for picks might be the best option. If Toronto is to trade Bozak as well I like to see a pick coming back as well. The Leafs have seemed to address their defence through the draft for the future, moving forward imo the Leafs should continue to build through the draft maybe concentrating at center.

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16 Aug 2017 17:43:39
Most definitely Babcock knows more than I but I think he doesn't have much choice does he DBF. Who should he pair Reilly with, Carrick? Not If there are no further changes we will see how well Hainsey holds up playing against the oppositions top line every game especially at his age.

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16 Aug 2017 14:48:35
Respect your opinion Austin Matthews but after seeing what Edmonton got for Taylor Hall I am just wondering if all of us including Myself are overvaluing JVR with the one year left on his contract could Leafs get more at the trade deadline maybe.

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