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18 Nov 2018 06:26:04
Parayko and Schwartz
Nylander and Gardiner and conditional 2nd on Gardiner resigning
Blues need more Offense and will get it from both players
Leafs need Parayko and Swartz can replace Marleau when his time is up.
Salaries balance roughly balance out
10.8 mil for Parayko and Schwartz
12 mil for Nylander and Gardiner (guessing)
1.) 18 Nov 2018 15:55:51
St. Louis needs a deal that takes away salary. they are worst team cap wise in a NHL.
Value of this deal is there. If there was no cap this deal could be made today. unfortunately there is a cap so this deal can't go through until st. louis adds more salary going torontos way.
Would love to get Parayko.
2.) 18 Nov 2018 18:34:20
I don't think the Blues would make the deal but here goes:
Parayko and Swartz (10.8) minus Nylander at 7M and 50% of Gardiner = approx 1.6 M in favour of the Blues. It still leaves them room if Nylander sticks them for 8M and they want to pay it. Signing Nylander will be their issue, not the Leafs. The Blues can trade away whom ever else they want to make the room they need. It's not like they can't do that.
The Leafs currently have 16M in cap space for this year.
In Addition for making this work for the Blues:
No conditional silly stuff. Add Robert Thomas from the Blues and send back the Leafs 1st (Will be late anyway) . An additional 894k saved for the Blues. (or you can make it Robbi Fabbro or Barbashev, but Thomas is better) . There needs to be a future coming back here as Nylander is only 22.
Trade Zaitsev before the deadline for picks/ prospects to clear some room. In effect you are replacing Zaitsev with Parayko in terms of RD, and the loss of Gardiner, no one will notice. A serious upgrade by subtraction.
Nylander is not getting 8M from anyone; there already would have been a trade.
If I remember right, the Leafs have until sometime in Feb to trade his rights. Let's send him to Arizona and let him sit for the year.
3.) 18 Nov 2018 20:42:27
Absolutely love this deal if we could afford it and St. Louis would consider it. Parayko and Schwartz both have term left on their contracts. Outstanding players both. Schwartz would replace Nylander’s offense, and Parayko gives our defense exactly the type player we need to carry us deep into playoffs. I don’t think you would be able to squeeze anymore out of Blues. The return here alone is enough. If Leafs could make a trade like this, Dubas would instantly cement his reputation as an astute and dominant GM that can handle himself during the most trying of times and still come out ahead.
4.) 18 Nov 2018 20:50:00
You got to remember that petragelo (not how you spell it) isn’t getting any younger and parayko is their next top guy so why would they move him.
07 Nov 2018 10:48:16
Ok. A little different carolina trade ( i think)
Ferland ( we can resign)
Hamilton ( hometown boy, UFA in two years)
Nylander
Gardiner ( Leafs won't resign)
Leafs get best defenceman, Canes get best Forward.
This might work.
1.) 07 Nov 2018 13:49:16
Trade Ferland + Pesce, so that you re-sign or extend Ferland.
FOR
Nylander + Leivo + 1st Round Pick. Instead of Johnsson who is not as physical.
2.) 07 Nov 2018 17:57:15
Not a big fan of Hamilton. His value has dropped immensely in my eyes for various reasons I won’t get in to here.
At this point, if we can’t get a package of picks/ prospects, I rather the Leafs trade Nylander for someone who is signed long term. Hate to see Dubas lose out on Hamilton in only two years because we can’t afford him.
3.) 07 Nov 2018 21:54:26
I also do not like Hamilton. However, my judgement aside, this deal actually works on so many levels.
I agree picks and prospects is my choice of what I want for either Nylander and especially Gardiner. Unforunately, my choice has no baring on what Dubas does.
This very well may be something he considers, a very fair trade value. Short term Hamilton helps big time. Long term Nylander will be missed but he won't ever be Hall. trust me. he doesn't have that kind of DNA. just look at his dad. lol
Nuff said.
4.) 07 Nov 2018 22:12:45
Can you explain why you don't like Hamilton?
5.) 08 Nov 2018 07:04:43
@jminn
I posted a couple things on the Leafs Talk forum. Just a hint of why I don’t really like Hamilton so much these days. His behaviour in Calgary was the tipping point for me. We don’t need a crybaby like that in the dressing room. Management had to show him who was boss and out the door he went. He’s still a good player. Overrated though if you ask me.
04 Nov 2018 23:16:48
Ferland and Pesce and Bean For Nylander and leivo 1st.
Ferland is the kind of player the leafs need up front. Can score and hits.
1.) 05 Nov 2018 00:30:34
A 3rd line forward, a 2nd pairing defenseman and a constantly injured prospecqt does not seem like fair value for an already elite, 22year old 1st line right wing!
2.) 05 Nov 2018 03:58:30
@waterbuffalo
My understanding is that Ferland is playing top line 1LW with Aho and Teravainen. He’s off to a helluva good start and could be putting up same numbers as Nylander is capable of. Pesce is a very good defenseman and would be our 1RHD until Liljegren is ready. At which point we can trade Zaitsev. Bean we can do without. Would much rather have Fleury as the third player involved.
@Jminn
I think it’s a pretty reasonable offer you’ve put up here. All these guys are cheap too. got to love Pesce’s contract. Would help provide cosr stability in the back end for eight years. Ferland is pending UFA though. Maybe instead of Ferland we could get Necas?
31 Oct 2018 01:03:19
Rangers-leafs
Kreider (affordable-fast-sores-hits-big)
Hayes (UFA, could resign a resonable contract
McQuaid ( tough d-man we lack, UFA)
Nylander
Leivo
3rd Rd Pick
Kreider-Matthews-Kapanen
Kadri-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Hayes-Brown
Hyman-Lindholm-Ennis.
1.) 31 Oct 2018 05:02:55
I like all the suggested incoming players. The problem is they are all on short term deals. As you point out yourself, Hayes and McQuaid are pending UFA’s, and Kreider becomes one himself next season.
Rangers know they are still in re-build/ re-tooling kode and need to being in assets for UFA’s they can't re-sign. Leafs can try to take advantage by offering Nylander for all three. Though it seems more likely NYR will be wanting to accumulate as many picks/ prospects as they can to build the pipeline and plug as many gaps as they can, while Leafs would be wanting to maximize the return on Nylander by trading him for someone who is inder contract and can be controlled for many years, not just dor a rental or two (or three) .
We might be able tk re-sign these guys, or they could all just walk and we lose 8 years of a 60 point player with upside for a couple rentals. I don't know. Sounds risky.
I think its a bad trade for both teams.
2.) 31 Oct 2018 06:20:17
The Key to this trade was Kreider who actually has two more years before he's a UFA.
But yes your right, if they couldn't resign at least him, it would be bad for the leafs. Ideally, it would be nice to resign all 3 because I don't think they would be too expensive.
I would take Kreider over Nylander any day. Even though he may be a couple years older.
Thanks for reply.
3.) 31 Oct 2018 06:36:55
@jminn
No problem. You are a regular contributor and oost good stuff. I knew what you were getting at right away with this trade: rather than take packages of picks/ prospects for these guys, NYR might just go for the sure thing in Nylander. Leafs get three very good players coming in. Hayes and Kreider both are Nylanders equal or near to it anyway.
It depends on if Leafs want to really try to win the cup this year. If yes, then this is a “win now†style trade, and Dubas signals he is serious about going all in on our race to Lord Stanley.
I kinda think Dubas is to conservative to go that route. he's more than likely going to stick to te Shanaplan for now. Its still his first year in the job after all. Maybe in 4 years time when hard decisions have to be made on players like Reilly, Kadri, etc, and if Leafs still haven't won, Dubas may feel the pressure to make a trade like this. Especially if he fears for his job.
4.) 31 Oct 2018 21:50:59
Nylander can’t get you all that. Rangers can stock up their whole farm team with picks and prospects and save a bunch of money at the same time. All those guys bring at least a first plus a prospect each. Nylander is not equal to 3x1st plus 3xprospects plus whatever else throw in Rangers can get.
5.) 31 Oct 2018 23:46:20
Neither Krieder nor Hayes are close to being Nylanders equal plus they are both over 25 and will need new contracts soon (Hayes at the end of this year) .
McQuaid has been around for ever and is not a significant upgrade on our defense as he is a 3rd pairing player.
I would prefer to give Ozhiganov a chance to grow his game.
I don't see this trade helping Leafs sufficiently that it justifies giving up one of the best young RW's in hockey.
6.) 01 Nov 2018 00:37:16
If you were the rangers. Would you trade Nylander for Kreider straight up?
Also, Hayes may get a late first rounder. that's it. He is a UFA
Mcquaid would definitely not get a first round pick. Forget about the prospect.
So it may be a bit light cause I would love Kreider on the leafs but its more then fair.
Nylander/ Leivo = Kreider 2 yr UFA/ Hayes UFA
McQuaid UFA= 3rd.
7.) 01 Nov 2018 05:42:54
@waterbuffalo
My exact words were “Hayes and Kreider both are Nylander’s equal or near to it anywayâ€, and i will stand by that comment.
Goals are about the same, though Nylander actually scores a few less than the otger two guys on average. The main difference is in assists. Nylander gets about a dozen more assists than either Kreider or Hayes, and that accounts for the slight point advantage in Nylander’s favor. In my opinion, this can be attributed to playing beside Matthews, who scores a hell of a lot more goals than anyone Kreider or Hayes plays with. We will call this the “Matthews Factorâ€. And after accounting for this Matthews Factor, i would say that Kreider and Hayes are putting up very similar numbers to Nylander, and maybe even better because they have to work a lot harder to get those results than Nylander who gets it easy olaying beside Matthews every night.
24 Jun 2018 05:53:01
So suppose the leafs sign Tavares. Probably won't happen but definitely a chance.
Leafs trade Matthews to Coyotes for:
Galchenyuk, Keller, Chychrun, 2nd 2019
Leafs sign Reily Nash and De Hann
Keller-Tavares-Nylander
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-Galchenyuk-Kapanen
Brown-Nash-Hyman
Dermott
Gardiner
Chychrun
Reilly
Hainsey
De Haan
Zaitsev
This is a deep forward group ( maybe still lacking some grit)
We could ask for Crouse instead of pick for some grit ( I still think he will be a good player)
This is a cheap line up for now.
Could pick up a 2019 UFA Doughty at trade deadline for playoff run or wait until he's a UFA
Thoughts?
1.) 24 Jun 2018 15:12:57
1 don't ever speculate trading Matthews. He is never going anywhere.
2, I believe the leafs will sign Tavares, at which point nylander will start packing his suit case.
3. I agree with signing Riley Nash and de haan, then it's trading Gardiner out west somewhere.
2.) 24 Jun 2018 15:36:17
I really don’t think Arizona is going to trade half the team for one player, no matter how good he is. All those guys are good. Even Crouse still has the potential to really turn out to be a very good player. Arizona has a lot of very good players who have been mis-managed and coached wrong for years. Like Carolina and Edmonton, I don’t blame the players, I blame the system they play for.
There’s no doubt that’s a better forward lineup than what we currently have. All those players would eclipse Matthews goal and points totals and would give us the extra depth we need to become a better all round team. Our back end looks good, though I disagree with signing DeHaan. He’s damaged goods.
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29 Oct 2018 21:39:16
I will take a kick at the can.
Rangers are in a rebuild and have a couple pieces I think would be great on the leafs.
Chris Kreider is fairly cheap and has 2 years left on his contract. He would be a great piece to help make a run. Complete package
A defensive prospect to throw in that I like is Chris Bigras. Watched him a bit in junior, think he's going to be a good player.
Also, wouldn't be a bad idea to take McQuaid for some toughness for the playoffs
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Kreider-Matthews-Kapanen
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-kadri-Brown
Johnsson-Lindholm-Ennis.
14 Oct 2018 15:17:24
So sportsnet reported the leafs made an offer of 4 years and less then 20 mil. This could take awhile if they are that far apart.
06 May 2019 13:42:59
If Nylander gets traded, I'm pretty sure a good young right handed D will come back. This trade doesn't help leafs up front anyway. We need grit.
02 May 2019 00:02:01
Memarcusjoe,
"Marner is not proven"? You must not watch the leafs at all. 3 years so far. 61-69-94.
Just my opinion but if he stays in a leafs uniform his whole career, his banner will be hanging from the raftors one day. He is that good.
Nylander is talented as far as elite skating and puck handling but he will never be on the same tier as Marner.
We need some size, grit and a couple D to go along with are speed and skill and we will have some enjoyable years to come.
05 Apr 2019 23:32:09
Not a chance Carolina gives all that up. And more imortantly, how will the leafs pay for the 21.5 mil in salaries. I know your having fun, but maybe try to be a little realistic.
03 Apr 2019 23:24:22
If/ when Nylander goes. A young defensive blueliner will be coming back. Not forwards.
03 Apr 2019 23:22:38
McDavid is on another planet. Oilers say no.
23 Apr 2019 02:05:34
If he gets game winner Tomorrow night, we won't care.
25 Jan 2019 23:17:02
I trust you.
02 Jan 2019 12:00:39
His AAV cap hit is still 6.9 mil. That's what is more important to teams.
28 Dec 2018 20:16:40
Reilly is your 7-8 mil defenceman soon. Gardiner will be gone.
28 Dec 2018 13:54:38
I don't think they will trade him. I would hate to lose him for nothing but being a UFA I don't think they will get a fair return so they will keep him. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.