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13 Jan 2017 14:44:15
Here's my trade proposal for the day
To Ducks: JVR + Corrado
To Leafs: Manson + Vermette + Max Jones + 1st + 3rd
The typical ask for a high end player at the deadline is "roster player, top prospect and a 1st." Given JVR's team friendly contract and one more year of it, it's more than a fair ask. Add in the Leafs-Ducks trade pipeline and this could be realistic.
Manson would give the Leafs that big bodied RHD they are seeking and is young enough to blend in with the current roster.
Max Jones would be the top prospect in this. Someone Hunter is very familiar with from the Knights. Would also give us size and organizational depth on the left wing we are lacking
Vermette is a contract balancer in this. Would also allow the Leafs to expose him in the expansion draft, allowing them to protect a Komarov or Martin, who are the type of character guys you need around for the youngsters.
Frankie would slot into Manson's spot (or rolled down to the 3rd pairing) and would finally get him some playing time. He's been great for the Marlies on this conditioning stint
1.) 13 Jan 2017 23:52:28
Great post. In a heartbeat.
2.) 13 Jan 2017 23:57:50
Wow I kinda like this proposal a lot. If Manson pans out along with Jones it's a steal for us
3.) 14 Jan 2017 01:04:49
Ducks would want more
4.) 14 Jan 2017 04:21:09
I agree, this is a good return for the leafs
5.) 14 Jan 2017 04:47:29
I like it but not sure if ducks will give up that much for a rental player
06 Jan 2017 21:42:44
Here's a random one:
To Phi: JVR + Polak (50% retained)
To Tor: MacDonald + Sanheim + Morin
With Polak, they get a RHD (a positional need) that plays the rough and tough Flyers style. Philly needs a big LW and JVR really fits that bill. Add in their cap tight situation and becomes even more enticing to a cap tight team.
MacDonald is 100% a salary dump. Preferably sent down to the Marlies to give the struggling team some veteran leadership. IMO, a contract bad enough though that it wouldn't be out of the question for the Leafs to ask for more. The key is getting these two defense prospects who could both push their way onto the Leafs next season with top 4 potential. I'd love to get Provorov instead but I see him being a non-starter.
Thoughts?
1.) 06 Jan 2017 22:38:52
We would have to many LHD with DERMOTT and NEILSON coming up. Switch one of them to P.MYERS
2.) 06 Jan 2017 23:10:55
I posted a similar trade a while back and got destroyed. because I took back macdonald. so handsup looks like innovative minds think alike
3.) 07 Jan 2017 05:03:06
I agree with goatson Matthews. I'll take sanheim, Myers and macdonald
4.) 08 Jan 2017 16:18:55
Keep in mind Babcock had almost no RHD for the Wings. I believe 5/6 were LH. Its not out of the realm to move one of them over to the right or to open up a separate trade down the line.
I think Rielly is a hell of a talent (I even have his jersey) but him or Gardiner could be moved for a similarly talented RHD like a Trouba. I believe Rielly > Trouba but with that type of depth on one side, it'd be the type of trade worth exploring later.
Despite the need for a RHD, I wouldn't sacrifice talent for a positional need and Morin's ceiling is a lot higher than Myers IMO.
I don't see them drafting high enough but man would I love to add Callan Foote to this pool.
05 Aug 2016 21:49:29
Tor: Niemi or Lehtonen (w/ salary retained)
Dal: Lupul + Leipsic
Allows Leafs to open up a roster spot while acquiring a veteran backup goalie to share minutes with Andersen.
I think Stars will be after either Fleury or Bishop as their net situation was bad last year. Lupul will likely give Stars LTIR relief at some point and a mid-tier prospect in Leipsic.
Tor: Stone
Ari: Bozak
Yotes have a glaring hole up the middle, even more so with the Vermette buyout. Bozak is capable of top 6 minutes and could ease the pressure off Strome, Domi and the oft injured Hanzal.
With Michalek, the resigning of Murphy and signing of Schenn on the right side as well as bringing in Goligoski and drafting Chychrun, the Yotes D is pretty tight contract wise. Stone is likely to start the season on the IR after knee surgery which would give Leafs more time to assess Corrado and Carrick before needing to make a decision.
Let me know what you think guys. I have a few crazier trade proposals but these two seemed pretty cookie cutter as far as team needs.
1.) 06 Aug 2016 14:11:44
The Dallas goalie for Lupul trade has been posted for two months now.
The Bozak for Stone trade would be a good one for the Leafs, and Ari just bought out Vermette and could use a vet replacement as they will be making the playoffs this year.
The only caveat here is: the Yotes are up to their kazoo in young centers.
How about JVR for Dvorak and Stone.
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14 Jan 2017 21:01:27
OK with the Blackhawks allegedly asking about JVR, I decide to draw up the only deal I could see working between the two:
To Chi: JVR
To Tor: Seabrook
I know this goes against the conventional wisdom of trading for youth in this rebuild but we can only have so many 20 year olds. This team isn't just lacking a top pairing RHD but they desperately need some veteran leadership from the backend. Someone who is a Babcock type player and who he is familiar with thru Hockey Canada.
JVR gives the Blackhawks that LW and net presence they need to get Toews going. I don't think I need to explain to any of you what JVR's game could bring to a team like Chicago. It also allows them to shed significant salary (which they will have to anyways to make room for the new Panarin contract). It would also help them expansion draft wise.
While I personally don't like Seabrook's contract, he is the type of player we need and the type of player Babcock wants. We're not trading JVR for a 20 year top paring defenceman, just isn't happening. He's not a young up and comer anymore. I think Seabrook would bring serious veteran leadership (not like Hunwick), a winning culture and is the type of dressing room voice this young team needs.
Like I said, I don't like the contract and his eventual decline in production but it's the type of contract we'd have to take in order to get the type of player we need without sacrificing our A+ youth. His cap hit wouldn't become an issue till the later half when the Big 3 are due because of the cap space coming off from Laich, Michalek, Greening and Robidas. As well as Lupul the following season.
1.) 15 Jan 2017 05:27:36
Can understand your thinking as Seabrook is solid as of NOW, but just think about this - yes, the leafs are doing ok recently but Babcock keeps saying that he wants the team to be in their prime in 4 years. If this trade happened, Seabrook would be 35 by then and already on the decline.
Like I said I can see what you're thinking because Chicago was recently linked to JVR, but Seabrook wouldn't be the right asset for the leafs in my mind. I can imagine the Blackhawks want JVR since he would be exactly what they need for Toews, but I can't see a D man from Chicago that would benefit the leafs enough for the long run and that's exactly what the leafs are looking for if they're shopping JVR.
Don't see a trade involving JVR and Chicago actually happening.
2.) 15 Jan 2017 20:33:59
Seabrook and his 6.9M/ yr NMC are the sole property of the Chicago Blackhawks. Part of this game is now played off the ice because of the cap. Leaving the Hawks stuck with the Kane, Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith, and Crawford contracts is paramount to keeping them out of the cup final for the next 7 years.
Any GM stupid enough to break the Hawks out of their self inflicted jail cell, should be fired. No team should help them out and let them lose a good player to Vegas. The league should not allow any contract extensions after the deadline and until after the expansion draft has taken place. This was a major omission on the NHL's part.
This allows teams to meet the expansion requirements by just extending a contract of a poor player (RFA 2017). Although even by meeting those requirements as they have (Hartman, Hinostroza, TVR; plus a minor league goalie at the last minute; Chicago will still lose someone good.
After all of the circumvention stunts that Chicago has pulled to get around the cap; all I can say is:
Rot in cap hell, Chicago! Long live the expansion draft.
3.) 17 Jan 2017 15:35:16
I agree. with exception. I believe the nonsense starts on the salary cap itself. Expansion is good to a degree, if you put teams where they will prosper. Putting teams in place like Phoenix, Las Vegas is lunacy. The cap is there for the NHL to reap profits and have the profitable teams pay for the teams in Cities they shouldn't be all in the name of expansion. vicious circle
4.) 18 Jan 2017 13:49:34
I Agree.
You'd think even Seattle would be a better choice. At least it would be a close proximity to Vancouver. No other team is as isolated as the Canucks or Winnipeg.
Carolina is close to the minimum payroll, playing well, and keeping their prospects in the minors, making them cap slides. The seats are empty there.
The one city that could handle 3 teams is stuck with 1.
One day I dream of the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Markham Manglers, and the Mississauga Rattlesnakes (or is that taken by politicians) .
All would be full almost every night. A lot of people in Toronto don't even try to buy tickets any more. They just go to Buffalo, Ottawa, or Montreal. Getting 2 or 3 teams in Toronto might even get you lower ticket prices.
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14 Jan 2017 20:37:03
I like it. Don't think Philly goes for it at this point unless they can go on a stretch run leading up to the deadline
13 Jan 2017 02:18:00
Although not a bad proposal, I don't see the Leafs going after Seabrook given his age and length of his contract. It would force a trade down the road where we wouldn't be able to afford a more important asset (outside the big 3, I wouldn't want to lose Zaitsev, Rielly, Kadri, etc because of Seabrook's contract and likely decline)
13 Jan 2017 02:12:27
I don't see Dallas trading from their blueline, let alone the only real blue chip prospect they have there. That said, I love Honka and think he's the type of prospect worth pursuing in a JVR trade
13 Jan 2017 02:10:13
You can't just dump spare parts for a number 1 D. If Leafs ask for Faulk, Canes guaranteed to ask for Nylander. Don't know who hangs up faster
13 Jan 2017 02:08:26
I genuinely like the mould of this trade. Few issues: what about the Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada narrative? I also think the Jets are very high on Connor. Not much I can argue in the way of value, seems fair to me
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13 Jan 2017 21:14:48
MacKinnon won't be going anywhere. I think it's dumb on their part that Duchene is even on the block. I think Landeskog is the one to go of the 3. He's a really good, gritty winger but I think he has more hype than he's actually worth with a potential bidding war