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11 Jul 2018 23:42:33
Leafs: Gardiner 3rd
Stars: Lindell
Who adds
Fair?
1.) 12 Jul 2018 01:15:35
I thinking gardiner is the better player. But as a pending UFA, we probably can’t expect much for him in return on a trade. I would take Lindell. He’s a good kid and heading in the right direction. We could maybe squeeze a pick out of Dallas too, or another prospect. But I think Lindell is a nice safe choice who is probably going to be around for a while and won’t break the bank.
2.) 13 Jul 2018 00:58:41
Who is Lindell?
I will have to review his profile as I have never heard of this player Leafs are going to trade their 2nd best defenseman for.
3.) 13 Jul 2018 15:33:52
Lindell is a young up and coming defenseman playing for the Stars. A real big kid, he plays a real sound defensive game and can contribute offensively as well. He can be signed and controlled by Leafs for a number of years. He’s a good choice to play behind Reilly and Dermott until Sandin is ready, at which point we make a decision on who to keep and who to trade.
If Gardiner was signed, he’d have more value. Without an extension in place first, I think Lindell is a real good safe choice. He will be playing here for a number of years and won’t cost a whole lot, which is important for Leafs when they have so much invested in their forwards.
04 Nov 2017 19:48:12
Tor and ducks
Tor:
Jvr Martin komorav
Ana:
J. Larsson
M. jones
Two solid prospects for jvr who knows if he will resign and uncle Leo who the leafs won't need next year and Martin who is on a bad deal and is just taking spots. For max jones from London who should be good big and a perfect 2nd/ 3rd line grinder, and larsson who can hopefully help the d
Nylander Matthews Hyman
Jones Bozak. Marner
Brown kadri Marleau
Leivo moore kapenen
Reilly hainsey
Zaitsev Gairdner
Larsson Borgman.
28 Jul 2017 01:43:03
Leafs
Jvr bozak 2nd
Oilers
RNH D.nurse
1.) 28 Jul 2017 16:15:47
I can't believe a couple of people already voted this deal believable. Seriously people, how does a 31 year old third line center land you a young defenceman with potential for the top four?
I would love if the Leafs could pull off a trade like this, but the only way this trade is happening is in a video game.
2.) 29 Jul 2017 18:17:11
Bozak's points are just above average for a 2nd line center.
Darnell Nurse (7th OA) is just another 1 round bust in a string of overated 1 round busts of the Oilers.
Note: Someone will overpay for him; just like the Oilers paid for Reinhart another massive bust of a pick.
The Leafs may need to trade Bozak, but they sure as hell don't need Mega bust Nurse.
3.) 29 Jul 2017 19:50:36
@lab16
That's a pretty harsh assessment of Nurse, at 22 he still has a lot of upside and he has the size. Even if he doesn't reach his max potential of being a top pairing type, in his maturity he will be a solid 4-5 D who plays a shut down roll, every team needs em.
I think the initial hype did make it seem as though he's a bust but he will have a good NHL career.
Comparables: Alzner, Hjalmarsson, Bowmeester, Beauchemin, Staal, Hamuis, Methot, many more probably a good 31 or so because every team has that guy. Nurse may not be that yet but as he matures he will learn that this is how he will reach his ceiling.
Is this not a fair assessment rather than saying he's a bust?
4.) 30 Jul 2017 17:00:32
It's not unfair when you consider others who have been picked in the top ten and had immediate success with their clubs; Reilly, Hannifan, Provorov, Werenski, Ekblad, Jones, Ristolainen, Dumba, Trouba, Ceci, Lindholm, Larsson, Hamilton.
All from the last 7 years and contributed immediately or close to it for their teams; not 4 years later.
Even worse, when you consider Nurse already had NHL size, and additionally belonged to a team that was craving for defence.
"He's another Reinhart", may be a little harsh, but I don't see much difference; neither has a head for defence. He may make it, his size and mobility almost dictate it (see Sean Day), but will be relegated to 3rd pairing for most of his career, maybe some 2nd if he improves. He will never be a #1 defensive stalwart rearguard.
And for a #7 overall - a clear and definite flop.
All of the players you listed made the NHL in a quick and decisive time frame and produced well and played well on their NHL teams without glaring issues in the early days. Not so for Nurse.
Like with a lot of their previous 1st rounders, the hype at draft never matched the reality. And McJesus has not delivered the Holy Grail yet; but it's only been 2 years.
Some teams like Anaheim have great D depth, and it can be expected that their prospects will take a while (exactly the situation the Leafs want to be in eventually) .
But that was not Edmonton's situation. How long should a team wait for a #7 over all. I think any top ten Dman should show reliability right away, or at least an indication of it. Nurse did not, and he has mobility, a will to punish, and size going for him. So what is really wrong with him? Ask the Oilers.
Maybe we should ask Vancouver about Olli J (another picked too high) that I know really well. He will not become a # 1 either. He's at the opposite end of the spectrum from Nurse. Easily knocked of the puck, bad in the corners.
Chychrun made it to Arizona right away and Arizona is in the same state as Edmonton 4 years ago. Ok, well, The Yotes always seem to be in that state.
5.) 31 Jul 2017 00:23:38
You recently referred to Hamilton as "damaged goods". but now saying he was an immediate impact.
At #7 its ok if Nurse becomes a 4-6 D which I said earlier I never did say #1 and if every #7 pick has the projection of being a corner stone franchise player. we will see a bust picked at #7 9 out of 10 years.
6.) 01 Aug 2017 15:14:53
@ Dbone
Did you not see the question mark "? "? .
It still leaves him as a bust when you compare him to the list starting with Reilly above. All of them showed what they can do early on, and that list only spans 4-5 years and doesn't include the players after 12 OA or there about. If it takes you 4 years to become a regular NHL'r (and that's still debatable for him), chances are you don't have enough talent to play above 3 pair or at all.
Pulock might be another one, but he's had setbacks and that will require more time for the Islanders to work out whether he can or not.
7.) 01 Aug 2017 15:28:20
Sorry read DBF's line, but the intent was cynicism. He has been offered in posted trades hundreds of times on this site. I thought you guys would catch that. Maybe I need to be more articulate. My bad.
26 Jul 2017 14:54:48
Right now the leafs lineup will have some extra players that they don't really need
Marleau- Matthews- nylander
Jvr- kadri- marner
Leo-Bozak-brown
Martin-Moore-hyman
Where's the young players that have proved they can play in shosh, kapenen, leivo they proved that they can play. Las Vegas needs more players. To fill their 50 contracts.
Lv
Rycel Timashov marincin
Leafs
C. miller
Vegas gets more contracts.
Yotes
Bozak Lupul leivo Johnson
Leafs
2nd
Then the Toronto lines look different
Marleau Matthews nylander
Jvr kadri marner.
1.) 26 Jul 2017 16:35:48
These are both interesting trade proposals. You did reference one player, Johnson, who I am curious to see what the Leafs do with him as he nears the end of his ELC. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Leafs use some of their lesser tier prospects in a trade to make room for new contracts or to gain a serviceable NHLer.
You would also wonder about the Leafs depth at forward; all of Kapanen, Leivo, Shoshnikov, and Rychel would still be ranked ahead of Johnson. I'm not sure about Altonen, but he may also be ahead of Johnson.
2.) 26 Jul 2017 17:05:35
Ares99r the leafs need to move players to let the young players play. They don't need guys Bozak in there lineup.
3.) 26 Jul 2017 17:27:15
Dangle123. if we lose bozak who steps up and plays third line center?
4.) 26 Jul 2017 19:47:46
I wouldn't trade Timashov or Johnson. if the leafs are trading guys it has to be JvR, Bozak or Komarov who are in their final year, and the other group is the AHLers who have served their time but still can't crack the Leafs, those players being. Rychel, Leivo and Soshnikov. The three of those players all got hurdled by Kapanen and they still don't project to be in the lineup. Keep the young guys like Johnson and Timashov who can still develop in the AHL. We know what Leivo, Sosh and Rychel are, we can afford to lose those guys. They are career bottom 6/ depth players. Don't trade talent away that still has a lot of upside. Not saying Leivo and Rychel don't but they have are expendable and Babs likes Sosh but again, he's a bottom line guy.
5.) 26 Jul 2017 19:48:17
@Bowser1226 why not nylander playing between jvr and marner.
6.) 26 Jul 2017 20:07:11
We have a bunch of people that can play centre. This is people i our line up known to play centre in order of likelihood.
Matthews kadri moore nylander komorov marleau marner. i'd like to see them start marner on centre though may be a bad year but his hockey iq is through the roof i'm sure he could get it pretty quick.
7.) 26 Jul 2017 20:09:50
Marleau.
8.) 26 Jul 2017 23:45:50
Imho a line of nylander jvr and marner would get bullied.
9.) 27 Jul 2017 14:13:18
Is that before or after they light the lamp multiple times a game? Marner and nylander would ruin teams on the score board this year.
I'll give it to you tho, they would start drawing attention if top dmen, and get pushed around but at that point switch it up
Marleau nylander marner.
Marleau would take on anyone to protect the kids.
10.) 27 Jul 2017 15:15:21
As much as I'd prefer an up grade on Bozak . He's almost too valuble (to the team) to deal him . I mean who's a better replacement that they could possibly get in a trade? And no moving Kadri on to that line would be stupid . Keep Kadri on more of the shut down line .
11.) 27 Jul 2017 20:23:03
1-2 marner played centre in the minors he's small but smart he could probably handle taking centre.
12.) 29 Jul 2017 03:57:00
Dangle, I'm all for the Leafs giving their younger guys more playing time. But you also want this team to return to the playoffs. I'm in agreement with Bowser on who plays 3C in the event you trade Bozak? Boa know isn't going to fetch you much on the market. His current contract after deters other teams from fitting him under their cap.
Randy, Mather isn't playing centre despite being one for his junior career. It's been noted on many occasions including hockey analysts that feel he's better suited as a winger (with a similar style to Kane) . Komarov is not an everyday centre. Marceau can play centre for a short time but again, he's not a long term solution. If the Leafs are moving bozak out, they need someone who can play full time in his place.
26 Jul 2017 02:11:33
Pullock- Bozak straight up
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10 Jul 2018 22:48:53
Leafs: Gardiner + picks maybe?
Stars: Lindell + picks maybe?
Fair?
20 Sep 2016 01:54:12
Other than drafting Mathews and generally avoiding July 1 and the UFA bonanza I'm pretty disappointed in Lou and Shanny this summer
We have to many contracts, to many marginal prospects and not enough high end young talent
We overpaid for Anderson and took him way to early in a still early rebuild
We missed on Vesey, a free young top 6 player
We also desperately need to add an under 25 impact NHL Dman
Hers hoping for a bottom three finish, we are several key players away from being a contender
1.) 20 Sep 2016 20:41:57
I'm sorry to say it but I have to agree with Dangle123 on three things.
1. I think we over paid for a goalie who had to be trade with in 12 month of his trade to Toronto. Then we sign him to that big contract before he has proved he can be a true number 1 (top ten in the league)goalie, but he will be paid like one. His stats were not a lot better than the goalie we gave away for thing.
2. I was hoping for a upgrade on defence and we got Roman Polak. If we can trade him for 2 second round picks again, I won't be disappointed! HAHA My biggest disappointment was that they didn't move Matt Hunwick because I don't think he will have any value at the trade deadline. He is just taking time a way from someone young player who could use the time to learn and develop.
3. I know it's to early to say but the draft for me was a little disappointing they draft so many older players. I had expectations after last year. I think pick 31. Yegor Korshkov was a big reach. I look at the players that went after him with top six talent that I just don't think he has. You look at the strength of Toronto's farm system and it is at bottom six forwards and we have at least 8 of them but he does have the size we are lacking. I was thinking we were drafting a D-man with this pick. Only time will tell how this draft turns out.
2.) 08 Oct 2016 21:18:33
Anderson played exceptionally well in Anaheim. He's a leaf now. Let him play then pundit's can make an opinion. Go Leafs!
18 Aug 2016 21:39:38
If the leafs leave this summer without vesey and a stud 25yr old defenceman to go with Mathews then the summer was a failure.
The defencemen the leafs should be focusing on are fowler trouba
Dumba lindholm vatanen
Any young defencemen that are available for the right price that I'm missing?
1.) 19 Aug 2016 00:54:27
What the rush to get the RH Dman this year. You will have to protect him in the exp. draft and risk losing Carrick.
The Leafs do however have room to pick up 2 forwards and still be able to protect their best.
Where will the Dman get you this year? 2 rungs higher but still out of the playoffs.
The rebuild is 5 years not 1! Relax.
2.) 19 Aug 2016 11:27:32
the Leafs should pursue Trouba. They could offer Gardiner and a rookie.
3.) 19 Aug 2016 15:55:08
Boy is leaf nation desperate to land Trouba, but it would take a great deal for Chevy to trade him. No Trouba trade to the center of the universe for garbage.
4.) 20 Aug 2016 21:06:34
Winnipeg = Dead Last + 9 pts. The Top - dead last = 51 pts.
And you've been rebuilding for how long now? 5 years? More? Holy Crap! You're another Edmonton!
I hope he holds out for 8M and screws the Jets cap space.
7th in Dmen in his draft year. Not 1st, 2nd, or 3rd! - 7th!
The Jets will just quiver when he flashes that 21 pt. total in negotiations. And his 2 assists in his one and only playoff round where he helped his team get blown out 4 straight.
Yes there was at one time, a contingent of people here that were so desperate that they would overpay for fanned up mediocrity (Lupul, Kessel, etc). Thankfully, they are all gone now.
Just some of their fans left on this site, who think they cannot live without a RH Dman in just the second year of the rebuild. They want to rebuild from scratch in a year.
Trouba will be not be coming to the Leafs, they don't need another Schenn.
04 Aug 2017 12:33:33
Leafs need a little more back like a second, but other than That it's a good trade d bone.
26 Jul 2017 17:05:35
Ares99r the leafs need to move players to let the young players play. They don't need guys Bozak in there lineup.
26 Jul 2017 14:10:26
Wheres Ron haisney that were paying 3 ml a year.
26 Jul 2017 01:35:01
Never happening.
26 Jul 2017 01:33:10
Need a d in return for jvr.
04 Aug 2017 12:39:37
Lol ^.
26 Jul 2017 14:29:31
Jvr isn't playing on the 3rd line.
26 Jul 2017 14:22:32
Leo isn't going to get u a good rhd plus prospects plus we don't have room for more contracts.