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11 Jul 2018 23:42:33
Leafs: Gardiner 3rd

Stars: Lindell

Who adds
Fair?

Dangle123

1.) 12 Jul 2018 01:15:35
I thinking gardiner is the better player. But as a pending UFA, we probably can’t expect much for him in return on a trade. I would take Lindell. He’s a good kid and heading in the right direction. We could maybe squeeze a pick out of Dallas too, or another prospect. But I think Lindell is a nice safe choice who is probably going to be around for a while and won’t break the bank.


2.) 13 Jul 2018 00:58:41
Who is Lindell?
I will have to review his profile as I have never heard of this player Leafs are going to trade their 2nd best defenseman for.


3.) 13 Jul 2018 15:33:52
Lindell is a young up and coming defenseman playing for the Stars. A real big kid, he plays a real sound defensive game and can contribute offensively as well. He can be signed and controlled by Leafs for a number of years. He’s a good choice to play behind Reilly and Dermott until Sandin is ready, at which point we make a decision on who to keep and who to trade.

If Gardiner was signed, he’d have more value. Without an extension in place first, I think Lindell is a real good safe choice. He will be playing here for a number of years and won’t cost a whole lot, which is important for Leafs when they have so much invested in their forwards.


 

 

04 Nov 2017 19:48:12
Tor and ducks

Tor:
Jvr Martin komorav

Ana:
J. Larsson
M. jones

Two solid prospects for jvr who knows if he will resign and uncle Leo who the leafs won't need next year and Martin who is on a bad deal and is just taking spots. For max jones from London who should be good big and a perfect 2nd/ 3rd line grinder, and larsson who can hopefully help the d

Nylander Matthews Hyman
Jones Bozak. Marner
Brown kadri Marleau
Leivo moore kapenen

Reilly hainsey
Zaitsev Gairdner
Larsson Borgman.

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28 Jul 2017 01:43:03
Leafs
Jvr bozak 2nd

Oilers
RNH D.nurse

Dangle123

1.) 28 Jul 2017 16:15:47
I can't believe a couple of people already voted this deal believable. Seriously people, how does a 31 year old third line center land you a young defenceman with potential for the top four?

I would love if the Leafs could pull off a trade like this, but the only way this trade is happening is in a video game.


2.) 29 Jul 2017 18:17:11
Bozak's points are just above average for a 2nd line center.

Darnell Nurse (7th OA) is just another 1 round bust in a string of overated 1 round busts of the Oilers.

Note: Someone will overpay for him; just like the Oilers paid for Reinhart another massive bust of a pick.

The Leafs may need to trade Bozak, but they sure as hell don't need Mega bust Nurse.


3.) 29 Jul 2017 19:50:36
@lab16
That's a pretty harsh assessment of Nurse, at 22 he still has a lot of upside and he has the size. Even if he doesn't reach his max potential of being a top pairing type, in his maturity he will be a solid 4-5 D who plays a shut down roll, every team needs em.

I think the initial hype did make it seem as though he's a bust but he will have a good NHL career.
Comparables: Alzner, Hjalmarsson, Bowmeester, Beauchemin, Staal, Hamuis, Methot, many more probably a good 31 or so because every team has that guy. Nurse may not be that yet but as he matures he will learn that this is how he will reach his ceiling.


Is this not a fair assessment rather than saying he's a bust?


4.) 30 Jul 2017 17:00:32
It's not unfair when you consider others who have been picked in the top ten and had immediate success with their clubs; Reilly, Hannifan, Provorov, Werenski, Ekblad, Jones, Ristolainen, Dumba, Trouba, Ceci, Lindholm, Larsson, Hamilton.

All from the last 7 years and contributed immediately or close to it for their teams; not 4 years later.

Even worse, when you consider Nurse already had NHL size, and additionally belonged to a team that was craving for defence.

"He's another Reinhart", may be a little harsh, but I don't see much difference; neither has a head for defence. He may make it, his size and mobility almost dictate it (see Sean Day), but will be relegated to 3rd pairing for most of his career, maybe some 2nd if he improves. He will never be a #1 defensive stalwart rearguard.

And for a #7 overall - a clear and definite flop.

All of the players you listed made the NHL in a quick and decisive time frame and produced well and played well on their NHL teams without glaring issues in the early days. Not so for Nurse.

Like with a lot of their previous 1st rounders, the hype at draft never matched the reality. And McJesus has not delivered the Holy Grail yet; but it's only been 2 years.

Some teams like Anaheim have great D depth, and it can be expected that their prospects will take a while (exactly the situation the Leafs want to be in eventually) .

But that was not Edmonton's situation. How long should a team wait for a #7 over all. I think any top ten Dman should show reliability right away, or at least an indication of it. Nurse did not, and he has mobility, a will to punish, and size going for him. So what is really wrong with him? Ask the Oilers.

Maybe we should ask Vancouver about Olli J (another picked too high) that I know really well. He will not become a # 1 either. He's at the opposite end of the spectrum from Nurse. Easily knocked of the puck, bad in the corners.

Chychrun made it to Arizona right away and Arizona is in the same state as Edmonton 4 years ago. Ok, well, The Yotes always seem to be in that state.


5.) 31 Jul 2017 00:23:38
You recently referred to Hamilton as "damaged goods". but now saying he was an immediate impact.

At #7 its ok if Nurse becomes a 4-6 D which I said earlier I never did say #1 and if every #7 pick has the projection of being a corner stone franchise player. we will see a bust picked at #7 9 out of 10 years.


6.) 01 Aug 2017 15:14:53
@ Dbone

Did you not see the question mark "? "? .

It still leaves him as a bust when you compare him to the list starting with Reilly above. All of them showed what they can do early on, and that list only spans 4-5 years and doesn't include the players after 12 OA or there about. If it takes you 4 years to become a regular NHL'r (and that's still debatable for him), chances are you don't have enough talent to play above 3 pair or at all.

Pulock might be another one, but he's had setbacks and that will require more time for the Islanders to work out whether he can or not.


7.) 01 Aug 2017 15:28:20
Sorry read DBF's line, but the intent was cynicism. He has been offered in posted trades hundreds of times on this site. I thought you guys would catch that. Maybe I need to be more articulate. My bad.


 

 

26 Jul 2017 14:54:48
Right now the leafs lineup will have some extra players that they don't really need

Marleau- Matthews- nylander
Jvr- kadri- marner
Leo-Bozak-brown
Martin-Moore-hyman

Where's the young players that have proved they can play in shosh, kapenen, leivo they proved that they can play. Las Vegas needs more players. To fill their 50 contracts.

Lv
Rycel Timashov marincin

Leafs
C. miller

Vegas gets more contracts.

Yotes

Bozak Lupul leivo Johnson

Leafs
2nd
Then the Toronto lines look different

Marleau Matthews nylander
Jvr kadri marner.

Dangle123

1.) 26 Jul 2017 16:35:48
These are both interesting trade proposals. You did reference one player, Johnson, who I am curious to see what the Leafs do with him as he nears the end of his ELC. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Leafs use some of their lesser tier prospects in a trade to make room for new contracts or to gain a serviceable NHLer.

You would also wonder about the Leafs depth at forward; all of Kapanen, Leivo, Shoshnikov, and Rychel would still be ranked ahead of Johnson. I'm not sure about Altonen, but he may also be ahead of Johnson.


2.) 26 Jul 2017 17:05:35
Ares99r the leafs need to move players to let the young players play. They don't need guys Bozak in there lineup.


3.) 26 Jul 2017 17:27:15
Dangle123. if we lose bozak who steps up and plays third line center?


4.) 26 Jul 2017 19:47:46
I wouldn't trade Timashov or Johnson. if the leafs are trading guys it has to be JvR, Bozak or Komarov who are in their final year, and the other group is the AHLers who have served their time but still can't crack the Leafs, those players being. Rychel, Leivo and Soshnikov. The three of those players all got hurdled by Kapanen and they still don't project to be in the lineup. Keep the young guys like Johnson and Timashov who can still develop in the AHL. We know what Leivo, Sosh and Rychel are, we can afford to lose those guys. They are career bottom 6/ depth players. Don't trade talent away that still has a lot of upside. Not saying Leivo and Rychel don't but they have are expendable and Babs likes Sosh but again, he's a bottom line guy.


5.) 26 Jul 2017 19:48:17
@Bowser1226 why not nylander playing between jvr and marner.


6.) 26 Jul 2017 20:07:11
We have a bunch of people that can play centre. This is people i our line up known to play centre in order of likelihood.

Matthews kadri moore nylander komorov marleau marner. i'd like to see them start marner on centre though may be a bad year but his hockey iq is through the roof i'm sure he could get it pretty quick.


7.) 26 Jul 2017 20:09:50
Marleau.


8.) 26 Jul 2017 23:45:50
Imho a line of nylander jvr and marner would get bullied.


9.) 27 Jul 2017 14:13:18
Is that before or after they light the lamp multiple times a game? Marner and nylander would ruin teams on the score board this year.

I'll give it to you tho, they would start drawing attention if top dmen, and get pushed around but at that point switch it up

Marleau nylander marner.

Marleau would take on anyone to protect the kids.


10.) 27 Jul 2017 15:15:21
As much as I'd prefer an up grade on Bozak . He's almost too valuble (to the team) to deal him . I mean who's a better replacement that they could possibly get in a trade? And no moving Kadri on to that line would be stupid . Keep Kadri on more of the shut down line .


11.) 27 Jul 2017 20:23:03
1-2 marner played centre in the minors he's small but smart he could probably handle taking centre.


12.) 29 Jul 2017 03:57:00
Dangle, I'm all for the Leafs giving their younger guys more playing time. But you also want this team to return to the playoffs. I'm in agreement with Bowser on who plays 3C in the event you trade Bozak? Boa know isn't going to fetch you much on the market. His current contract after deters other teams from fitting him under their cap.
Randy, Mather isn't playing centre despite being one for his junior career. It's been noted on many occasions including hockey analysts that feel he's better suited as a winger (with a similar style to Kane) . Komarov is not an everyday centre. Marceau can play centre for a short time but again, he's not a long term solution. If the Leafs are moving bozak out, they need someone who can play full time in his place.


 

 

26 Jul 2017 02:11:33
Pullock- Bozak straight up

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04 Aug 2017 12:33:33
Leafs need a little more back like a second, but other than That it's a good trade d bone.

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26 Jul 2017 17:05:35
Ares99r the leafs need to move players to let the young players play. They don't need guys Bozak in there lineup.

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26 Jul 2017 14:10:26
Wheres Ron haisney that were paying 3 ml a year.

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26 Jul 2017 01:35:01
Never happening.

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26 Jul 2017 01:33:10
Need a d in return for jvr.

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