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23 Feb 2020 15:00:29
VGK
Brandon Pirri
Nicholas Hague
1st rd pick
4th rd pick
TOR
Tyson Barrie
Jeremy Bracco
3rd rd pick 2021
Montreal
Jeff Petry 1 mill retained
Max Domi
6th rd 2020
Tor
Andreas Johnson
Adam Brooks
Dimitri Timashov
1st 2020 (vgk)
4th 2020 (wpg)
Chi
Alexander nylander
2nd 2020 (chi)
Tor
Alex Kerfoot
Cody Ceci
1.) 23 Feb 2020 18:42:25
I don't understand the trade. Who do we get?
2.) 24 Feb 2020 00:47:31
Hahaha I agree with L Life.
3.) 24 Feb 2020 15:01:03
It’s not rocket science, there are 3 trades. figure it out.
30 Jun 2019 16:45:22
I don't want your negativity or rudeness but what about you Thoughts as every single person views value at a different level?
Tor: zaitsev/sparks/7th 2020
Ott: Ceci
Tor: Brown/2021 2nd
Edm: Benning/puljujarvi
Tor: Kadri, Holl
NYI: Ho sang/Pulock
Sign Perry 2yr/2.75mill
Sign marner 2yr/ 9mill
Go to arb with Ceci, he will not be rewarded over 4 based on his play, so 3.5 for 2yrs
Johnsson Matthews Kapanen
Moore Tavares Marner
Mikelhev Nylander Perry
Marchment Gauthier bracco
Reilly Pulock
Muzzin Ceci
Rosen Benning
Andersen
Hutchinson
Total 80.8 including Hyman and Dermott on reg IR counting against cap and Kessel
1.) 30 Jun 2019 18:00:46
An in depth physical on Perry prior to signing.
Ceci's +/ - is horrendous - not all of that can be accounted to the team. But considering we are trading Zaitsev, it's a step forward.
Lou may really want Kadri and pay that price.
I think Benning will improve once out of Edmonton. A good deal for both sides. Puljujarvi is a gamble, but he does have size, and Edmonton may just bite on a 2nd.
If the money is there, someone suggested Dan Girardi. He would be a good tutor for the young D on the right side.
2.) 30 Jun 2019 20:00:00
I read, from multiple authors actually, that ace i is not even nhl caliber defenseman anymore. I’m not a scout or analyst by any measure, so I don’t honestly know if that is true or not. But it’s pretty obvious just by looking at his stats that he is struggling. He’s not worth $5M a year. No way. This trade doesn’t help us in any way. I think Leafs should pass.
3.) 30 Jun 2019 21:12:22
GM
One caveat to how this trade helps us.
Leafs need to resign Marner, and clear cap to protect against an offer sheet.
The Leafs will offer a low ball salary.
If I have it right; then Ceci would take the Leafs to arbitration (not the Leafs taking Ceci to arbitration) and the Leafs submit a ridiculously low value where the arbitrator has no choice but to award the players bid. Then the Leafs have the right to walk away, gaining Zaitsev's cap space (and maybe Browns salary in total) . Ceci gets free agency. The Leafs get nothing in return but cap space, which is desired.
The Leafs will then have enough to protect against any reasonable Marner offer sheet.
If it's straight up for Ceci then it's the same as dumping Zaitsev for no cost. A little cruel, but that's business.
Best of luck getting 5M+ Ceci.
4.) 01 Jul 2019 01:59:37
I like where you’re coming from, but seems like a lot of work. Why not just trade Zaitsev, Brown, etc for a 7th round pick?
5.) 01 Jul 2019 12:46:50
Maybe no one wants him. No one wants Ceci. At least, not at the prices both are at.
Lots of teams will want Brown at 2.1M. Actually will be a shame to move him in a deal like this.
14 Jun 2019 15:07:05
La
Nylander
Marleau
Tor
Toffolli
1st 2019 (La)
3rd 2020
Edm
Brown
Zaitsev
Tor
Ethan behr
Matt Benning
3rd 2019 (NYI)
Wpg
Trouba(rights)
Tor
Kapanen
Lindgren
2nd (2020)
Add as required or trade with Carolina for a 1RD
Toffoli Matthews bracco
Johnsson Tavares marner
Moore Kadri Engvall
Marchment Gauthier Petan
Reilly trouba/1RD
Muzzin Liljegren
Rosen Benning
Andersen
Sparks
LTIR
Horton
IR
Dermott
Hyman
1.) 14 Jun 2019 16:14:01
The Jets wouldn't make this trade.
2.) 14 Jun 2019 16:49:05
You must be Kevin cheveldayoff’s brother in law, my apologies. GTF out of here, because if it’s not Matthews or marner they aren’t worth anything right?
3.) 14 Jun 2019 19:35:11
that la trade is one of the worst I've seen on this site. dispite nylander possibly having a bounce back year the kings would never give up toffoli or possibly a 1st for him.
13 Jun 2019 01:31:13
Stanley cup night!
So here's some fun...
3-way trade
Toronto recieves
Lawson Crouse (Rights)
Erik Cernak
Tampa receives
Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Brown
Arizona receives
Ryan Callahan (1 year remaining)
Dimitri Timashov
Tor 3rd round 2019
Sign Marner 11 million 8yr
Sign Johnsson 3.85 million 3yr
Sign Crouse 1 million 1yr
Tor
Patrick Marleau
Stl 4th 2019
LA
Clifford
Tor
Kasperi Kapanen
Carolina
Brett Pesce
Final lineup to start season...
Johnsson. Matthews. Nylander (22.5)
Moore. Tavares. Marner (22.9)
Clifford. Kadri. Bracco. (7.25)
Crouse. Gauthier. Petan (2.45)
Forwards=55.1
Reilly. Pesce (9.025)
Muzzin. Liljegren (4.864)
Rosen. Cernak(1.45)
Defense=15.339
Goalies
Andersen
Spark
Goalies=5.75
Scratched
Holl
Korshkov
(1.6)
IR
Hyman, Dermott (3.15)
LTIR
Horton
Retained
Kessel (1.2)
Total including Hyman and Dermott and scratches=82.14 million
Thoughts?
01 Jun 2019 08:53:30
Just throwing this out there as I'm interested to hear the thoughts on the value of this trade. Since zaitsev is now in the block, why not go talk to our old pal Lou who signed him to his deal.
Tor: Zaitsev, Johnsson
NYI: Mayfield, Ho-Sang
This is a starting point, would you have interest? Would Toronto or NYI have to add?
1.) 01 Jun 2019 13:55:00
It isn’t unreasonable but I can’t see it happening.
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18 Jun 2019 13:10:50
So realistically the jets just traded Jacob Trouba for the equivalent of a younger Nikita Zaitsev and a late first. But me offering Kapanen or Kadri was automatically a no start..... well I guess the jets can have fun with that one. Me personally I may have tried for next years first instead, as the draft is supposedly stronger next year.
17 Feb 2019 19:25:09
So I've stepped back and really taken a look at this cap situation.
Right now they sit at about 75 million with 4.5 in cap space.
This offseason, the following players need to be resigned or lost: marner, Kapanen, Johnsson, sparks, Gardiner, Hainsey, Lindholm, ennis, and ozhiganov.
This gives us about and extra 13.5 million in space next year, giving us a total of 18 million to sign those guys or replacements. Marner being a priority will probably command at least 10.5 of that leaving 7.5 for Kapanen, Johnsson at the very least leaving us with holes at 4C, bottom pairing D, and back up goalie. Say we are able to sign Johnsson and kappy for 4.75 between the 2 (if we're lucky) and ELCs at 4C,Backup goalie, &3RD, 3LD... that's at least another 4 million. That makes 8.75 million, and puts us 1.25 over the cap. Say the Cap increases to 83.5. Now we have about 2.75 million in space. HOWEVER, we would then have to add the performance bonuses achieved from this year as carry over. So in reality, based on what happens this season could actually put us over for next. Someone will have to go to clear space, and not a lot of adding can be done without a serious shakeup. IMO, it has to be one of Marleau(who controls his fate), Zaitsev (who could be tough to dump in a cap era), brown (who only gains 2.1 million) or Kadri (who granted is a great 3C, but probably easiest to move). I doubt marleau wants to go anywhere, no one wants Zaitsev. I'm truly interested in what Dubas will come up with in this situation, as they will definitely have to move out some salary to continue to stay competitive. At this point, moving anymore first round draft picks, would be a mistake long term for the team. The only thing that worries me is that, every team knows the leafs will have some cap issues coming, so making a trade may cost us more than it would've without these issues in my eyes.
1.) 18 Feb 2019 15:46:02
Matthews-Nylander-Marner- tavares - Marleau - Reilly - muzzin - Andersen equals roughly 60m
Fourth line - 5 to 7th defence - backup goalie and Kessel - 8m give or take.
If cap is $83m and they keep $3m in reserve (and they should), they have $12m to spend.
Johnson
Kapanen
Hyman
Brown
Kadri
Top rd
Second rd. What 21-22m?
We are way over cap. And I didn't include Gardiner and Zaitsev
Way way way way way over.
2.) 18 Feb 2019 16:26:48
I 100% agree, it will be very interesting what happens this offseason, as things have to change. This is what I keep looking at: gardiner is gone, Kappy (2.5 bridge or trouble), Johnsson (2.25 bridge or trouble), marner (10.5).
Matthews Hyman Kappanen 16.35
Johnsson Tavares marner 23.75
Marleau Kadri Nylander 17.5
Moore Gauthier brown 3.55
61 approx
Reilly Muzzin 9
Dermott zaitsev 5.363
Rosen Liljegren 1.6
Borgman .925
17
Andersen/ backup 6
84
Kessel 1.2
Horton 5
Performance bonus carry over 3
93.2
Granted Horton is LTIR but I believe we have to wait to IR him after first game as I discussed with memarcusjoe.
That’s about 10 mill over if the caps 83.5. So somethings got to give, whether it’s hortons contract, Kadri& zaitsev. Changes have to be made.
17 Feb 2019 18:18:39
Well I do understand a lot of what the different CBA rules and what not. I'm just trying to figure out why all of the sudden Hortons contract is an inconvenience as he will never strap up the skates again. That being so, why is everyone so eager to get rid of him if he can be placed on IR for relief anyways. I don't really understand how shedding this contract does anything to relieve our cap situation. Can someone please inform me on the correct reasoning behind all the efforts to shed this contract, as even when we were up against the cap during the beginning of the rebuild. Those contracts weren't a problem.
1.) 17 Feb 2019 18:35:58
As I understand it Horton's contract is only a problem for opening night. The Leafs can't put him on LTIR until the season opens, so his salary must be on the books and count against the cap and the Leafs still need to be cap compliant for their opening game. After that he can go on LTIR and have his salary not count against the cap.
So, a contract extension may need to be delayed or a player sent to the minors for opening day to make room for his salary. Long term though, I don't think it should hurt, but I don't for the Leafs' salary structure too closely.
2.) 17 Feb 2019 19:36:49
@Memarcusjoe
Out of curiousity, if Marleau was waived at the end of training camp next season, that I believe would make them cap compliant if over the cap before day 1 where they could then place Horton on IR and bring Marleau back up. What are the possibilities that Marleau would be claimed on waivers and would this work?
3.) 17 Feb 2019 23:28:13
I don't think you can waive Marleau as he has a no movement clause. So, he would have to agree to be waived, which would be highly unlikely. Also, he is a plus 35 contract, so it may not help you even if he did, although I'm not positive on that.
Then, although again I'm not 100% positive on this, I believe since it is still the off season until the puck drops for game one, that your salary hit is based on your top 23 salaries, no matter where they play. After the first game then your cap is based on your 23 man NHL roster.
4.) 18 Feb 2019 18:39:58
His contract is also a nuisance when it comes to signing bonuses. Even thought we can put his full contract on LTIR for cap use we can’t use it to pay this years bonuses.
21 Feb 2023 19:37:53
Dude, Dubas was not the GM in 2015….
27 Jan 2023 12:54:08
Mark hunter was in charge of drafting when Fremont was drafted.
26 Feb 2020 20:24:46
Vegas was not able to take on Lehner a full salary with enough room to bring back Alex tuch if he is healthy before playoffs. Martin dzerkils (unsigned) will probably never see the nhl, judging by his play and stats over seas. So in turn dubas took full advantage of knowing this and since he was not about to use the money we have left in our cap for the year. he basically took a free pick to pay out some money that the MLSE has a ton oF and give a kid a different chance, since it wasn’t happening here. He used his situation as leverage. And Lehner is not the answer in Toronto, far from it.
24 Feb 2020 15:01:03
It’s not rocket science, there are 3 trades. figure it out.
16 Jun 2019 04:43:33
I just figured out from an article why jets fans are so sour on Kadri, jets are on His 10 team not trade list.
18 Jun 2019 11:59:10
I believe kivihalme is American with a finish descent, not Russian. And I thought he played in Liiga not the khl.
01 Mar 2019 14:48:56
LTIR can be used in the offseason.
Can LTIR be used in the off-season?
Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days.
At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief and ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed.
28 Feb 2019 22:50:51
One big reason they did not make another move is because anything they did, needed to move salary for salary. The leafs could not afford to make other moves because taking on salary is fine but come end of year, they can’t use the cap space utilized by placing Horton on IR to pay for bonuses. Which we could have about up to 5 mill in. Because they wouldn’t be able to do that, the bonuses would’ve carried over to next year, lowering our cap space when Matthews and mariners deals would set in, causing us to also definitely lose both Kapanen and Johnsson, or worse, not enough money to sign marner. Although I believe there were moves that could’ve been made to make this team better immediately, they weren’t the right moves for the times we are facing.
18 Feb 2019 16:26:48
I 100% agree, it will be very interesting what happens this offseason, as things have to change. This is what I keep looking at: gardiner is gone, Kappy (2.5 bridge or trouble), Johnsson (2.25 bridge or trouble), marner (10.5).
Matthews Hyman Kappanen 16.35
Johnsson Tavares marner 23.75
Marleau Kadri Nylander 17.5
Moore Gauthier brown 3.55
61 approx
Reilly Muzzin 9
Dermott zaitsev 5.363
Rosen Liljegren 1.6
Borgman .925
17
Andersen/ backup 6
84
Kessel 1.2
Horton 5
Performance bonus carry over 3
93.2
Granted Horton is LTIR but I believe we have to wait to IR him after first game as I discussed with memarcusjoe.
That’s about 10 mill over if the caps 83.5. So somethings got to give, whether it’s hortons contract, Kadri& zaitsev. Changes have to be made.
17 Feb 2019 19:36:49
@Memarcusjoe
Out of curiousity, if Marleau was waived at the end of training camp next season, that I believe would make them cap compliant if over the cap before day 1 where they could then place Horton on IR and bring Marleau back up. What are the possibilities that Marleau would be claimed on waivers and would this work?