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06 Apr 2018 21:26:59
Haven't posted in awhile so here goes nothing!
Listen everyone, Lou and Shanny are smart people. They're 3 steps ahead of all of us. They already know if they're going to sign JVR and Bozak and uncle Leo.
My personal opinion is that Bozak will go to whoever offers the most money
JVR is 60/40 for staying with the leafs.
Leo is a wild card. He won't make as much money and they may sign him on a one year contract.
As everyone states on here, the leafs need a 4th line center for next year that has experience. We all know that if they are in the hunt come deadline time they will get an experienced player if need be, but I hope they'll cash in come July 1st.
Personally I'd love the leafs to sign Filppula on a 1 year deal. They'd be able to sign him for 1.5-2.5 mil since he's coming off that 5mil contract. Hasn't been proving himself to be that type of player worth 5mil. He's still a good player who can be moved up and down the lineup.
Now for defence, I think Gardiner's time has come to an end in Toronto but I could very well be wrong. I'd like the leafs to get picks and a prospect for him but he is a very valuable player for the buds. Other than mike green there's one other player I'd love to see come to Toronto.
Andre Sustr
The big 6'7" defensemen is having a hard time cracking the lineup on a tough Tampa blueline. He has a cap hit of just over 2mil and hasn't proven himself to get a raise so he'll be looking for that type of money come July 1st. Looks like his time has come to an end in Tampa.
With these 2 adds the leafs lineup still looks just as good as before but with more depth and more options. You don't know if our 3 top guys will be healthy all year or if our defense will stay healthy so you need options.
I'm going to include JVR and Leo in my lineup for next season on the basis that they are back (hopefully). If not, they'll be replaced by someone in the system or a 1-3.5mil singing. Same with Gardiner, hope he is gone but odds are slim so I'll include him. If he is traded, Dermott may have a chance to step up.
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
JVR/someone-Filppula-Kappy
Leo/someone-Aaltonen-brown
Subs:
Gundstrom
Goat
Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner/someone-Sustr
Dermott-Zaitsev
Subs:
Borgman
Rosen
Lots of options for Toronto, let me know what you think!
1.) 06 Apr 2018 21:55:51
Holl is flying underneath everyone radar
So leafs go get Kapanen Dermott and Johnsson and marlies are still best team in AHL
Holl on first pairing in camp let's see how that goes.
2.) 06 Apr 2018 22:00:46
Your dropping zaitsev to 3 Rd pairing. Which proves my point anyway you slice this up Jake Gardiner has to go somewhere else .
JVR gone
Bozak gone
Komarov probably gone
Once JVR loses his touch around net within 3 seasons what do you have.
3.) 07 Apr 2018 00:07:37
Sustr is a monster. He has been a fixture in Tampa’s press box this year, and will guaranteed be available this summer, and can probably be had for less than what he is currently making. That doesn’t mean Leafs should pursue him however. Mackin is right. We already have Holl. Sustr gives us nothing we don’t already have.
Filppula is an interesting choice. He’ll be cheaper than Statsny for sure, and probably even cheaper than Bozak. Lots of experience and cup pedigree. He would be a good choice for fourth line if we can get him as cheap as you suggest.
4.) 07 Apr 2018 00:54:09
Leafs gm
Lets keep a eye this dude 21 Pierre Engall. This guy lighting up marlies .
5.) 07 Apr 2018 23:14:33
Leafsgm
You’re right that doesn’t mean the leafs should pursue Sustr but it’s an option for sure. You know by now the leafs will pick up 1-2 players at forward and defense so they have replacements if injuries happen.
Davidmackin
Holl may make the team out of camp but he won’t play all year with the leafs. I’d be shocked if he was still here to start the 2019-2020 season. The way the leafs are heading, you can’t have a 6th defensmen in the lineup. If you want to be a championship caliber team you need to have defensmen that can play on your top paring. Now, not always do championship teams have these caliber of defense (pens last year), but it sets you up for success. What I mean is I believe Sustr has more potential than Holl even tho he only played less than a handful of nhl games.
6.) 08 Apr 2018 04:53:34
Babsock every team need 6 defencemen what r u talking about. Carrick is 5 10. 175 lbs Holl is 6 3 205 lbs. Holl is more defensive he can move people.
You go on but you don't say who your 6 defencemen are?
7.) 08 Apr 2018 05:15:24
Babsock
Your only in love with Sustr because he is 6 7. This guy is a minus 5 on a team that is plus 60. Holl is plus 24 on marlies and I think he is only plus defencemen or there maybe 1 or 2 more but no one is near him.
It's like this you break camp with Holl and you avaluate him as season goes along. He is earning 75k with marlies so I'm sure he happy to sign a one way deal 2 years at 1 million per.
Holl will never clear waivers so worst case he splits time with Carrick as 6th defencemen. I see a huge upside in this guy I think he is a Dermott on the right side. SUSTRE IS A STIFF.
14 Aug 2017 20:51:02
I have been thinking recently about what JVR could fetch the leafs in a trade. So what better way to look at his value than players dealt in the past. Here's some trades:
NYR acquire:
Rick Nash
3rd rounder
Low prospect
CBJ acquire:
Brandon Dubinsky
Artem Anisimov
Tim Erixon
2013 1st rounder
Yes this trade was over 5 years ago and also Nash still had 6 years left on his deal at 7.8 million.
The reason I showed this is because the leafs will not get this much for JVR. Nash averaged 33 goals a season since 05-06 compared to JVR's career high of 30. Also he had years left on his deal, so don't expect a big block buster trade like this one.
What I think is more reasonable:
Hawks acquire:
Andrew Ladd
Jay Harrison
Matt Fraser
Jets acquire:
Marko Dano
2016 1st
2018 conditional 3rd
Andrew Ladd is a true leader, so that's why he gets a little edge and got a little more for Winnipeg. However, their production is similar. Ladd only once surpassed 60 points in a season, just like JVR. Highest goal total was 29 in a season, JVR had 30.
Yes Ladd one 2 Stanley Cups before he was traded, but JVR should fetch a return similar or a little less than what Andrew Ladd did. This was also at the trade deadline, so a trade in the offseason before the season starts may help your return better.
Thoughts?
1.) 15 Aug 2017 00:09:22
A first round pick, a mid level prospect and a conditional pick. that sounds about right to me for JvR.
2.) 15 Aug 2017 01:52:28
That return is very reasonable. A top prospect and a 1st round pick. Depending on the team and prospect, maybe a bit more.
3.) 15 Aug 2017 04:26:50
Intriguing analysis and comparison of the two past trades to JVR. I agree with your latter example as a model example for what could be. Whether this comes to fruition will really depend on a number of factors. Maybe we'll see JVR traded before the start of the season. Perhaps a more likely scenario could be the trade deadline. Although I wouldn't rule out the possibility the Leafs keep JVR for a playoff run. They could view him like trading for a rental.
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16 Aug 2017 23:45:37
I see a lot of people that think hainsey can't play top line minutes. Yes you're right, he's not a top 2 D, but he can play big minutes.
Here's an article that explains the pens playoff success without their number 1 defensemen.
goo.gl/CzlzP
You can read that hainsey did in fact play valuable minutes for the pens. He was not paired with a talented play like Reilly, so he may thrive in the role with him on the leafs blue line.
All I can say to you people out there that don't like Babcock's statement about hainsey playing top 4 is be patient. It is not a long term plan, just short term.
15 Apr 2018 20:08:36
Davemackin,
2 years ago at this time would you have been shocked that the leafs did this well this season and made the playoffs? Yes of course. Would you have been shocked if I told you 2 years ago that in 1 year the leafs will make the playoffs? Yes you would.
Leafs are not trading Nylander. They are still rebuilding now matter how much you think they’re all in for the cup. They’ve had a plan for 2 years and they’re going to stick to it because when teams don’t stick to their plan look what happens (Edmonton)
07 Apr 2018 23:14:33
Leafsgm
You’re right that doesn’t mean the leafs should pursue Sustr but it’s an option for sure. You know by now the leafs will pick up 1-2 players at forward and defense so they have replacements if injuries happen.
Davidmackin
Holl may make the team out of camp but he won’t play all year with the leafs. I’d be shocked if he was still here to start the 2019-2020 season. The way the leafs are heading, you can’t have a 6th defensmen in the lineup. If you want to be a championship caliber team you need to have defensmen that can play on your top paring. Now, not always do championship teams have these caliber of defense (pens last year), but it sets you up for success. What I mean is I believe Sustr has more potential than Holl even tho he only played less than a handful of nhl games.
06 Apr 2018 19:00:47
Dave,
I agree mike green would be a great fit. With how Toronto plays their defencenen, he can put up 40-45 points no problem. I hated Gardiner for years but the past 2 years he’s been playing great; so how’s the time to shop him.
Whether or not they do is a different story, but I’d be all for mike green. One player I would love to see the leafs go for would be Nikita Zadorov. He’s really emerging as a top 4 defensemen in the league. They’d have to trade for him, but they leafs have assets. If they flip Gardiner for pick plus prospect, we could then acquire Zadorov.
Thoughts?
14 Aug 2017 20:21:47
Marchenko trade is out since the leafs waived him today.
The panthers trade is horrible, not going to happen.
However, I like the trade with the golden knights. Vegas has 11D but only 8-9 will start the season with them so they could have one or two off the books. I think the leafs would have to add a little more, but this could be a great trade for both sides.
04 Jan 2018 02:22:54
This isn’t even funny.
29 Aug 2017 19:29:02
@Davidmackin I agree with your post besides for saying Ottawa has no direction. This team is going to be very good for years to come. Last season post season run was not a fluke. However, I do agree leafs are in a better situation than them besides for a number 1 D man.