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13 Sep 2019 10:31:34
Based on the rumours out there Marner has turned down $11m a year from his hometown team. Now I am no expert but if his hometown team with his friends on it cannot convince him to take that much - which is an overpay - how much would another team have to pay for his services. Why would any team in the league want to deal with that and why would the Leafs want to trade him when they would have to take salary back. I believe this will either end in the next couple of weeks or he will sit this year out - remember Nylander and his escallating salary every day he did not sign (I think it was over $10m when he signed). The leafs could never afford that to happen so its going to end in before Oct 2 or he sits.

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1.) 13 Sep 2019 14:59:44
Four years is the worst possible time period Leafs could sign. It takes Marner right up to UFA, but not beyond. With no option for a fifth year, Leafs either lose him for nothing, or are faced with overpaying to keep him.

If Marner wants to play the same game as Panarin, he needs to remember that Panarin was playing KHL for many years before coming to NHL. Panarin was, has been, and still is, in control of his own fate since come to North America as an overage undrafted signing for Chicago. Marner was drafted and is still very much a secured asset for MLSE.

As mentioned above, Marner’s salary in terms of cap hit this season increases every day after season starts. The longer he sits out, the more his salary counts against the cap this year. Once we hit cap max (I believe we are at, or very near, that point now actually), the only way we can afford Marner, if he continues to hold out is to drop players. For every $700,000 his salary this year increases against the cap over the limit, we lose a depth roster player. This is the complete opposite of being a team player. This is greed and selfish. Plain and simple.

Marner is going to push out teammates, guys that are good players, who could really help the team as the season progresses while injuries and other problems arise. We need these guys for the playoffs. They might not be stars, but they are good nhl quality players. And some of them did, in fact, take a small pay cut themselves just to come play here. It might have only been $100,000 or so, just to the point they were basically league minimum, or slightly above, so in absolute terms, it is insignificant. But relatively compared to the players salary, this is a pretty large percentage this guy is taking. You don’t hear about this in the press because they aren’t stars, and a $50,000 saving is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall money this HUGE business is operating on.

These guys are the real unsung heroes. Not greedy self-entitled superstars who feel they deserve more than the entire bottom six half of the team combined. We’re talking half the team here. Does he want to win or not? Winning should be about everything to these guys. Does a million extra bucks really make a difference in Marner’s lifestyle? Probably not. But that would go a long way to securing a guy like Rasanen, and help make sure he will kick the crap out of anyone who dares touch him. But if Rasanen misses his shot to make the team because Leafs can’t afford him, then he either might not be present to step up for Marner, or he is going to remember how Marner delayed and almost ruined his shot to make the team. He may not be so eager to chance getting his nose broken just so Marner can make another million.

Any time a player holds out, especially when it is a superstar like Marner, it sickens me. Nobody wins, and the biggest loser, as always, is the fans. As we saw with Nylander’s holdout last year, in most cases when a player holds out, there is no benefit to the player. None. I’m talking money here. There may be other benefits or clauses that a player may be seeking that could cause him to holdout (NMC for example) . But financially, in the majority of cases, holding out does not greatly benefit the player above what signing the original offer would.

Obviously, I’m taking the author (s) words on these things. I’ve never actually gathered the data and crunched the numbers on this stuff. I’m just regurgitating what I’ve read somewhere along the way. I assume these articles are all peer reviewed, and any mistakes would be immediately picked up by readership, other competing authors or websites, or some crank with nothing better to do on his lunch break.

It’s a fact. I ran the numbers last year and posted them on the site here for everyone to see, and after Nylander’s holdout last year he made an extra $300,000. That’s it. He gained a measly $300,00 and lost all those points and games played, wrecked his entire season, almost derailed the team’s chemistry with his return, and nearly lost his spot beside Matthews to Kapanen. If Kapanen learned to pass he might have been Matthews winger all year last season, and given the opportunity to start beside him this season again, with Nylander beside Tavares. Kapanen also lost a fair amount of salary by shooting so much more rather than using his speed to create laneways to get a pass to Matthews to make the shot.


2.) 13 Sep 2019 15:29:41
excellent read and well put.


3.) 13 Sep 2019 15:33:39
Then we should trade Marner to Colorado:

In return Kadri.1st and a 4th round pick

Haha, I just want him to sit the whole year. he is probably stating he wants to be captain, I don't think its the money anymore. WOW can't believe the crap anymore.


4.) 13 Sep 2019 17:55:51
Highest paid player in endorsement deals is coming to an end lol.


5.) 13 Sep 2019 23:53:51
Leafs gm you lost me at “four years is the worst. ”.


6.) 14 Sep 2019 09:02:42
It doesn’t take much does it mph? Lol.


 

 

05 Sep 2019 19:48:45
Tor. trades : Kappy

Edm. trades: Larsson

Gives us that top RD we need for Reilly and opens up a spot in Edm. for Bouchard. Edm. gets someone with speed for McDavid. Money is close enough to work even with Marner signed. Gives the Leafs a good mentor for the 2 young sweeds we have in the system.

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1.) 05 Sep 2019 20:35:08
Yeah sorry 40 or kappy isn't worth Larson. Try to at least make these even. Lol it gets worse the closer the season gets. Looking forward to the sheet show of a cap situation going on. You guys are currently 3 mil over cap and you don't even have marner signed. I would be freaking out about that.


2.) 05 Sep 2019 20:52:33
I love this deal and love your explanation on it. well done 16

Awesome proposal.


3.) 05 Sep 2019 21:17:14
Great trade.


4.) 05 Sep 2019 23:10:23
Hey redwing1 if thomas and kyrou are as good as you believe they are guess what? The blues will be in cap hell in 2 years so. if they suck, like most think they will, then i guess the blues are stuck with 2 middle of lineup guys but the cap for the blues will be fine.

Take your pick only one scenerio or the other can happen.

Your word is worth as much as you think kapanen is worth. love how you only insult on this site. insults start to just get ignored.


5.) 05 Sep 2019 23:20:28
@Redwing1 how is Kapanen not worth Larsson? Lol that's a deal EDM would be interested in for sure. a lot of teams are high on Kapanen right now and EDM would love to have a guy that fast. Good prop.


6.) 06 Sep 2019 03:05:59
Kappy got 20 goals and 20 assists you think they are giving up rgier best Dman for that lol. Geez stop being homers.


7.) 06 Sep 2019 06:26:08
Larsson only has two years left until he’s UFA, so not a whole lot of time value left there. I think Edmonton would like to forget about the Larsson trade. That was Chiarelli’s biggest flop. It’s well known they have been looking for a RW to play with McDavid, and rumours have linked them to Kapanen. I can’t see Edmonton re-signing Larsson. Next year at the deadline he’s only worth a pick. Last year Leafs traded for Muzzin at the deadline. It cost them two prospects and a 1st. So I could see Larsson bringing a similar value this year. Kapanen would be a too six roster player for Edmonton. That seems like an overpayment relative to what we’ve seen other too 4 RHD go for recently. I think Edmonton would jump on this trade if it was offered to them.


8.) 06 Sep 2019 11:37:42
If you think edm jumps at this trade post it on the main boards see how well it goes over.


9.) 06 Sep 2019 16:51:40
Why don’t you go ahead and do it RedWing? I’ve seen you do that stunt many, many times now already, and virtually every time, without fail, the main board either completely sided against you, or you might get a split, with the Winnipeg guys siding with you mainly, but not much anyone else. It’s a childish stunt, taking a trade to another forum where you think you have “friends” who will side with you regardless of the trade. Why would I give a flying f**k what the guys on the main board say?


 

 

30 Aug 2019 10:32:10
Cant wait for Marner to sign so we can stop trading him. And all I see are Matthews trades on here as well. Wow, I bet in edmonton all they see are McDavid and Draisitl trade rumours as well, only in TO.

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1.) 30 Aug 2019 11:49:09
They probably see the same McDavid for Matthews trades we see here.


2.) 30 Aug 2019 16:48:47
free what happened last year with Nylander, you’re going to tell me you’re surprised about people floating Marner proposals? Why? Cause the ones you post involving Johnsson, Kapanen, Sandin, or Liljegren are so much more realistic? Give it a rest. You don’t like, don’t read. It’s a fantasy forum. Nothing is stopping you posting a trade involving Petan. Is that more realistic? Or is it not exciting enough? Everybody should just focus on the same bottom six players please. That’s way more realistic if not more boring. Geez. You can’t lease everyone. Start posting minor deals for you and the next guy complains it’s not exciting enough. Need more blockbusters.


3.) 30 Aug 2019 18:37:19
Posting Marner trades is far more realistic. I can guarantee you at this point even 10% of Dubas is thinking about it himself. Mathews is yes, complete fantasy. He even has a full NTC I believe so he won't be moved lol.


Marner is probably being shipped the same way Nylander was. Listen to offers coming in and see if anything makes more sense than keeping Marner. I can personally see him being moved if their is no chance he signs this year as Dubas will not let a 1st line winger sit in a contention year.


4.) 30 Aug 2019 23:20:37
He can’t have a NTC until he is 27. It’s pretty standard for elite star players to have it kick in automatically when they turn 27 if their contracts extends past that age.


 

 

27 Aug 2019 10:51:16
Tor. trades Lilly, Bracco, pick

Ana. trades Manson

Ana. are retooling this year as the new kids will get a chance. Perry is gone and if the team falters Getzlaf could be next.
We can work out the cap between now and the season start.

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1.) 27 Aug 2019 11:48:11
That’s got to be close to a reasonable offer given for what Montour went for. The only issue I have is Manson becomes UFA at the same time as Rielly, which isn’t a big deal if Liljegren was ready. But you just traded Liljegren. Lol. So, unless we somehow manage to re-sign Barrie, or unless Ceci actually learns how to play hockey, then we would be relying on Hollowell or Duszak. Not really as good prospects. But three years is a long time in the world of sports and anything can happen between now and then. Heck, we might even be able to re-sign Manson. I mean, he’s good, but not great. I don’t think he’s even in top 50 anymore. Which is why I think this trade is reasonable. Manson isn’t worth as much as Montour, who went for 1st + A-prospect. We can’t give them a 1st. So maybe Liljegren + 2nd or 3rd gets you Manson? We keep Bracco for ourself.


2.) 27 Aug 2019 12:07:30
I agree with LeafsGM here. Manson just had a piss poor year so Liljegren and a later round pick might be good enough

Love to see manson and Reilly so excelent target.


3.) 27 Aug 2019 18:33:40
I don’t know. Is Liljegren as good as Guhle? That’s another question to consider here? Grille is doing really well in Anaheim. A perfect fit. While I have high hopes for Liljegren, there are still question marks concerning his development. Manson is still easily a top 4 defenseman and could even sneak back in to top 50 list again next year. He would be the ting to Rielly’s yang. If he’s available at a price like this, Leafs should jump on it. Manson is far better for us over the course of the next three years than Liljegren. Why burn years of contention when the window of opportunity is so narrow. We can still protect him and his contract. Rielly, Manson, Dermott, exposing Harpur.


4.) 28 Aug 2019 01:11:55
All valid points leafsgm. I am really iffy on Lili. At times he looks like an amazing prospect but he is developing slowly. I think trading him right now for a guy like Manson while his value is high is a good move. If he plays NHL time and doesn't do well his value drops considerably.


 

 

13 Aug 2019 18:12:07
Tor trades: Johnsson

Edm. Trades: Khaira, Benning

Gives Edm. a speedy winger that can score. Gives Toronto a replacement LW with size and a RD for the 3rd pairing. Money works out.

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1.) 13 Aug 2019 18:19:07
I think this is one of the better trades I've seen. don't see johnsson in many deals on here so its nice to see a change of pace

works for both teams.


2.) 13 Aug 2019 20:51:47
Leafs were offered this same deal at deadline for Brown and turned it down. I don’t think they would accept it now for Johnsson. I could be wrong, but I think they value Johnsson highly compared to Brown. I think the reason he doesn’t pop up in trades so much is because of the lack of depth at that position. Not nearly as strong LW as we are RW.


3.) 13 Aug 2019 22:57:13
Absolutely not, the Leafs should be the team doing a 2 for 1.


4.) 14 Aug 2019 05:38:19
Don't see this one happening. If they wanted that return it would have come at the deadline for Connor Brown. Johnson is more valubale.


 

 

 

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17 Sep 2019 14:23:03
Redwing: not done yet is it.

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17 Sep 2019 11:34:38
Hard No here. He isn't even on the Dubas radar.

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17 Sep 2019 11:33:49
The team is built and yes we have no money, just the way it should be. Toronto will always be at the Cap limit and that is the plan, why does one of the richest organizations in sports want to have cap room. All these trades mentioned here will weaken the team, just forget about money and let this team play, I can't wait to see hockey and forget about all this bull.

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17 Sep 2019 11:28:36
Good choice but It won't be easy to pry him from the Ducks, they are weak on RD. Leafs will have money next year as the fwd. group is set and will be similar to this year. With all the UFA's gone and assuming the cap goes up $3m the leafs will have arpund $17m for 5 D, Reilly is good for another couple of years. Give Dermott $3m based on how he makes out this year and have 2 players graduate from the Marlies and we have around $12m left - should be pleanty to add 2 quality D like Manson and Pietrangelo.

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12 Sep 2019 15:23:39
Love Andersen and value is fair, just don't like commenting on a deal for Marner. Based on what is going around I don't see any team in this league paying the asking price Marner wants.

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