05 Mar 2018 02:34:22
Summer trades:

Leafs aquire : Kaprizov, 2019 1st
Minnesota aquires : Gardiner, 2019 4th

Leafs aquire : Vanek
Vancouver aquires : Carrick, 2019 1st (Van)

Leafs aquire : Theodore
Knights aquire : Rosen, Bracco, 2019 3rd

With Gardiner showing consistency with his point totals he would be coveted by many teams. 1st and an A prospect is a good return.

I don't think the second trade requires any explanation.

Theodore isn't likely to be traded but the thought of rejoining Holm and Rosen as well as stocking the cupboards might do it.

1.) 05 Mar 2018
05 Mar 2018 03:53:10
Vegas isn't trading Theodore, he's apart of their bright future. Rosen is just terrible, can't defend, can't make fast decisions and too many turnovers.

2.) 05 Mar 2018
05 Mar 2018 04:39:02
I also smoked one too many as the Vancouver trade was supposed to read Tanev.

3.) 05 Mar 2018
05 Mar 2018 05:34:09
Sorry not nearly enough for gardiner: i’d Think the leafs would want slightly lesser value than the McDonagh deal (subtract Namestnikov) a 1st,4th and two a level prospects

It would cost more than that to get a Theodore deal done much more.

4.) 05 Mar 2018
05 Mar 2018 16:44:25
I don’t agree with the comparison to Mcdonagh. Mcdonagh is a true two way defender who puts up points similar to Gardiner while also being near elite defensively. Gardiner is too one dimension to get that sort of return. Even if we traded him at the deadline with a year left on his cap friendly contract, like Mcdonagh.

5.) 05 Mar 2018
05 Mar 2018 18:23:38
I’m not so convinced the Leafs will trade Gardiner. He’s having another good season. The biggest knock against him is that he coughs up the puck too much, but in this category he is comparable to Doughty, Carlson, Subban, and Burns, just to name a few. He’s on the ice for more goals for than against. And he is a fast, pick moving defenseman. This deadline shows that Leafs are not adverse to holding onto their free agents instead of trading them. If Gardiner has another good year next year, and Leafs haven’t brought anyone else in, he might just finish his contract as a Leaf.

6.) 05 Mar 2018
05 Mar 2018 20:42:32
I’m not sure what will happen either. We will have another JVR scenario on our hands as he is due a good raise next summer. We have youth coming up and I think Dermott will be a good replacement for Gardiner with time.

Doughty, Burns and Subban are on another level than Gardiner. Carlson and Burns are the closest comparison as far as being one dimensional but both have as many points in 60-65 GP as Gardiner will have at seasons end. Gardiner is great.

He’s not elite like you are proposing.

7.) 05 Mar 2018
05 Mar 2018 22:03:59
I’m not saying he’s elite. Where did I say that? You’re putting words into my mouth. All I said was that he’s doing really well, and it’s quite possible the Leafs don’t trade him.

8.) 06 Mar 2018
06 Mar 2018 01:28:04
You compared him to three elite dmen. Like probably 3 of the top 5 dmen in the world. That strongly insinuates that you believe him to be elite.

9.) 06 Mar 2018
06 Mar 2018 13:09:44
You are twisting my words. I made a comparison in one single category. That’s a far cry from calling him elite. The knocks against Gardiner are still many. He doesn’t hit, he can’t take a hit, he can’t fight, he coughs up the puck to much, he thinks he’s a forward, he’s significantly lower in TOI than others. I never once suggested he was elite. He has, however, very quietly turned into a very good player. He is easily the most improved player under Babcock. And even doing a broad statistical comparison, Gardiner’s numbers put him in the top 15 defensemen. In many cases, his numbers are comparable to and even better than guys like Burns, Doughty, Karlsson. So yeah, even though it’s unlikely Gardiner will be nominated for a Norris trophy any time soon, he still has less give aways than Burns, and his +/ - is still far better than Karlsson’s, and his point totals are just as good as Doughty.

10.) 06 Mar 2018
06 Mar 2018 14:48:56
Leafs GM

Gardiner is not top 15 D in the league

I would say maybe top 60 .

And that’s simply because of his offensive ability (everyone has strengths and weaknesses)

I would say if you are ranking D men based on skating ability and defensive prowess, I wouldn’t put him in the top 100

Thank you, come again.

11.) 06 Mar 2018
06 Mar 2018 19:13:21
What numbers are you referring to when you say he’s top 15?

His point total puts him there. What else.?

Gardiner plays a tonne on the power play and is still only +6. Doughty is +18 while having secondary duties on the PK. That’s probably because Doughty is on another level than Gardiner and keeps the puck out of his net when he’s on the ice at 5v5.

You need to stop comparing him to these guys and find people more comparable. Yandle, Myers, and Miller are guys who are closer to Gardiners ilk. Not Doughty, Karlsson or Burns. SMH.

12.) 06 Mar 2018
06 Mar 2018 22:44:22
Trade Gardiner!

13.) 07 Mar 2018
06 Mar 2018 23:35:32
SmileyRielly

Here are some comparable players to Gardiner (not in style of play, but overall value. there are a million different ways to value these guys) :

D. Schlemko
J. Dotchman
M. Kempny
C. Ruhwedel

There are a couple of guys in my sons team who are comparable . there is this one kid, Leoni, he’s 17 and plays guys into the boards, plays the pass on a 2-on-1 . basic stuff that you learn in your first year as a D man

Maybe Gards will figure it out before he retires . not sure how he made the NHL as a D man . not sure why some of you talk about him like a top 6 D . maybe a number 7 on a really bad defensive team

I heard his dad still comes in the dressing room and toes his skates .

14.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 00:34:13
You know, I really don’t think you give Gard’s enough credit. Maybe I’m pushing the envelope and trying to give the guy more credit than he deserves, it’s true, but really, he’s not that bad. The last two seasons he’s really turned it around and has developed into a top 4 defenseman (on any team), and may just be the best defenseman on the Leafs. Ask yourself, what would you expect in a trade for him? If you expect at least a 1st round pick and a prospect, then you value him a lot higher than your response would indicate.

15.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 01:04:13
There’s no denying Gardiner is easily a top 4 on any team. I proposed we trade him for a first and a nearly guaranteed stud in Kaprizov. This kids going to light up the NHL.

16.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 01:08:51
Trade Gardiner now while he has value, TML will never win a cup with him, he has mo defence and he should play forward.

17.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 09:13:48
He really is bad . just watch him on ANY defensive play . Literally 8/ 10 times he looks bad . Don’t look at the stretch pass or a play when he joins he rush! We get it, he has some offensive upside . I get it!

If he was there to play that role and had a strong stay at home d partner, maybe there could be a case made for him.

18.) 07 Mar 2018
07 Mar 2018 12:44:47
It's inevitable that they will trade Gardiner, if you look at when he needs a new deal it coincides with Matthews. He'll want a significant pay raise and the Leafs are developing Dermott for that 2 pairing LHD spot.