09 Oct 2019 13:12:50
Do the Leafs want to make a statement:

Tor. trades: Ceci, Sandin

Wpg. trades rights to Big Buff and holds back $2.6m/yr.

Big Buff just wants out of Wpg and when he saw what happened to his D partners this summer he decided to quit. Put him on the right side with Reilly and you have something.
Also gives Wpg. someone to play D this year and a future asset that can play now.


1.) 09 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 14:34:54
i don't see buff wanting to play in the hockey mecca capital.

also, if he doesn't decide to play leafs lose a good young asset for nothing.

the deal it self i'd be into if buff guarentees he would come to toronto and play. especially with the retaining of salary.


2.) 09 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 14:42:41
No to Sandin being included. He’s a premium long term prospect, while Big Buff is literally on his way out. Since Ceci is probably only going to be in the team as long as Buff would be, that’s a more appropriate player to center the trade around, including lower grade picks/ prospects due to the fact that Byfuglien is getting old and looks like he is on his way out from the nhl.

Winnipeg is in a bad situation regarding Buff. They had to trade Trouba for less than what you are offering here. Same as Trouba, Buff loses value simply because he is forcing Winnipeg’s hand. They don’t have much choice but to trade him, or lose him for nothing.

I would look at the Trouba, or Karlsson, or even the Subban deal and go from there. I don’t believe any of those three guys brought in a premium asset like Sandin is, and I don’t think Buff should either.


3.) 09 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 15:30:45
Yeah, sandin can't be going back to winnipeg in this deal regardless.

Maybe a Filip Kral or Emiril Rasanen. but Sandin is a non starter due to the reason LeafGM stated above. good answer LeafGM you always show me the true picture if I haven't already seen it. lol.


4.) 09 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 16:30:19
Thanks Craigger. Coming from someone as astute as yourself, it’s a big compliment. Especially when a lot of people just want to denigrate any proposal no matter how good or bad. We’re all homers right? Lol. That’s got to be the dumbest “insult” I’ve ever heard anyone call someone else.

I try to be objective, even though I’m a Leaf fan. Not always successful of course. At least I put thought into my props and responses, as do most people on this site actually. I’m on a couple other forums and most of the time I find there is nothing by way of explanation to go along with either the proposal or the answer. It’s all “let’s trade these guys for these guys”, with responses like “no”, “dumb trade”, “you’re a homer”. Lol. No meat and potatoes if you know what I mean.

I always feel like if you’re going to take the time and make the effort to sign up and post something, it should have at least some insight and enable discussion. Like you said the other day about showing the work to get to the answer. In math, as in everything, a logical response is the only one that matters.


5.) 09 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 17:12:18
agreed 100%. that's why i love this site so much. most give good logical responses. not all deals i propose are fair but in my head they are and once someone points out the differance and explains it in a good manner i understand and usually agree.

keep up the good work everyone who i'm writing about.


6.) 09 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 20:42:18
Absolutely not to Sandin and Ceci has looked fine so far. I believe he has 3 pts in 4 games, give him some more time and maybe he is a gem that the Leafs found on an under-performing team like Ottawa.


7.) 09 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 22:37:50
16 it's pretty bad when your own fan base hates your idea lol.


8.) 10 Oct 2019
09 Oct 2019 23:24:42
As everyone has said. Big Buff is an amazing player but I don't want to lose Sandin for him.


9.) 10 Oct 2019
10 Oct 2019 01:50:23
@RedWing

What does that even mean anyway? You think every deal on here is a “winner”? And I’m a Leaf fan, not a 16 fan. Maybe 16 has his own fan base too, but I’m pretty sure the majority of us on here are fans of the Leafs. I don’t find myself cheering for 16’s proposals so much as I do Leafs goals. No offense 16. Lol.


10.) 10 Oct 2019
10 Oct 2019 01:51:11
The bro-mance between Craigger and LeadsGm is heating up more every day. Lol.


11.) 10 Oct 2019
10 Oct 2019 12:30:07
Apparently I have a bro-nance with a few people on here. Lol. I guess it’s ok to call each other names and insult, but can’t be nice and compliment? I mean, let’s face it, we’re a bunch of dudes online talking about a bunch of other dudes looking to score and who smack each other’s asses while getting naked together in the shower after work.

Besides, who said any of us were all guys?


12.) 10 Oct 2019
10 Oct 2019 12:33:17
Bottom line is answer this question. Does this deal help the leafs right now and possibly push them over the hump?
Big Buff is a giant that can skate, takes care of the toughness issue and RD at the same time. So maybe Sandin is not included but you have to give to receive, or at least get and eyebrow raise, so that's why he is included.
redwing1, I post trade rumours aka the site name, I don't expect everyone to agree but I try to be realistic. If they hate it, so be it, I will keep trying.