30 Sep 2019 00:57:25
Leafs trade Kerfoot
Philly trades Frost, Ratcliffe

We could expose Kerfoot instead of Hyman. 3C or 1bLW? Not sure which I prefer at this point. Probably Hyman. Or we could trade Kerfoot for a couple guys that are protected from the draft. Ratcliffe and Frost are both nhl ready. Almost. Lol. So maybe the timing is off, but the concept remains the same.

Johnsson/ Matthews/ Nylander
Mikheyev/ Tavares/ Marner
Ratcliffe/ Frost/ Kapanen
Moore/ Spezza / Bracco
*Gauthier, Aberg, Petan, Hyman
(Timashov/ Brooks/ Marchment)
(Engvall/ SDR/ Robertson)

Reilly/ Ceci
Muzzin/ Barrie
Dermott/ Schmaltz
*Holl, Marincin, Gravel, Harpur
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Kokkanen/ Hollowell)
(/ Duszak)
(/ Rasanen)

Andersen
Hutchinson
(Woll)
(Scott)

1.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 03:25:18
Sorry frost is projected to be a 1c. Petro or is low end 2c. No deal there.

2.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 07:16:49
LeafGM does Korshkov make your team I like him. Size in lineup is nice both Russian kids stay 4 me.

3.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 11:19:13
Sorry keefoot not petro. Sheesh effed that up.

4.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 11:45:53
Philly getting Hayes in the offseason makes it so they don't need another center and they don't need to rush Frost. Frost on philly for the next 5-7 years will be no differant than Kerfoot on Toronto. let's see what frost does in the AHL before you start annointing him 1st line Center. I don't see him being that high end but he may be good. Unless he gets dealt to a team where he can be utilized as one of the top 2 line centers he will never get to that projection. It may be in the best interest for Philly to deal him now before teams see what he is truely going to be. better to have a top end prospect to trade then wait too long and that prospect not ammounting to what he should become.

people really throw out that future 1C or future 1RHD out there alot. i mean there can only ever be 31-32 1C and 31-32 1RHD.

Ratcliffe looks like a good big player. would love to see him in a leafs jersey. he looked awesome in Guelph last year

good original deal.

5.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 13:02:28
wether you see It or not doesn't mean anything. He is projected by the nhl scouts and nhl analyst. he also put up ridicoulous numbers in the OHL. so we have professional opinion, ohl numbers and my eye test of approval. So that's 3-1 LOL.

6.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 13:38:34
have you actually seen him play. I saw him 4 times last season while he was on the sau. when the season started he averages 3 points a game for first 20 games then as league dragged on he averages a bit over a point a game. his inflated stats were from start of year. reason why sau didn't advance past guelph was because he was shut down by suzuki. #1 C I've never heard any scout or analyst say that's his projection. they say he is a top 6 guy. he reminds me of kyle wellwood. put up huge points against mediocre OHL compitition but was small and couldn't skate the fastest. when compitition got harder the deeper the playoffs went Wellwood went silent. that's Frost for yeah. try actually watching him against men and youll see why I say this.

Future #1C projections belong to top 5 draft picks who scouts and analyst say this about. If he was projected to be a #1C then why was he drafted in the middle of the first round?

7.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 13:49:43
correction, ryan mcleod and cole perfetti shut frost down in ohl playoffs. frost had 15 points in round 1 then in round 2 vs saginaw only got 3.future 1C don't get stopped in OHL playoffs ever. they usually get their teams to the memorial cup. Morgan Frost did not.
round 1 and 2 are the rounds studs stack their points. Frost couldn't in round 2.he isn't a future 1C.

8.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 17:37:38
Craiger so mitch marner is an elite talent and Morgan Frost is not a 1c type projected center.

You should really compare Mitch Marners last two years in the OHL with Morgans. One is a winger one is a center. They are oh so close to each other. I love how you can't be objective. If Frost was a leaf he would be the greatest thing since maple syrup, and yes I went there LOL

I find it once again dubious that you want him and are trading a 25 yearold junk player for him. LOL good luck with that.

9.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 17:57:22
RedWing, you really do talk a lot of nonsense. J can’t even count the number of 100+ point OHL players that become successful in the NHL. It’s so much more competition playing against bigger, older veterans than it is playing against 15/ 16 year old kids. Simple as that. Patrick was projected to be 1C, which is why Philly picked him 2nd overall that year. Frost has never projected to be more than a top six player, and would be a winger on either Toronto or Philly. Unless he gets traded to a team that is desperate for centres, then his trade value is t that of a top end center prospect, but is that of a top end winger prospect. Kerfoot is a solid nhl player that can play all positions. He would likely be winger in Philly too, unless he supplants Patrick at 3C, who hasn’t exactly got off to a flying start for a guy picked 2nd overall.

10.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 18:04:02
@Craigger

I forgot Philly signed Hayes. That pretty much kills this deal, unless they want Kerfoot playing wing or 4C. Both would be a bit of a waste for a guy that is clearly 3C material with upside.

Kerfoot has three years nhl experience, averaging 40+ points a year, and is a confirmed 3C in the league. He is actually probably worth more than what is on offer here, but hard to say.

I highly doubt Dubas would even co sided this trade as it makes us weaker in a contention year. I posted it to see what perceived value on these players is, and to initiate discussion is all.

11.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 18:06:24
RedWing you obviously don’t have a clue. Reading that comment calling a 25 year old nhl 3C that gets 40+ points a year tells me just how stupid you really are.

12.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 18:25:53
Last spring Sau St. Marie started playing Barrett Hayton against Ryan McLeod to try and get Morgan Frost away from him. If Frost is a projected 1C then he would of been playing in the NHL as an 18 or 19 year old as a winger first or on a bottom feeding team as a top 6 player. All future #1C play in NHL as 18 or at worst 19 year olds.

Getzlaf, Bergeron, Eichel, Teows, McKinnon, Dubois (possibility), McDavid and at the time RNH, Barkov, Johanson (debatable) Hishier and Hughes (possibilities), Giroux, Crosby and Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares and Matthews, Petterson, Backstrom.

after they were drafted they were in the NHL before they turned 20. Barely any AHL time. mostly right out of jr except when the lockout happened. if you can't play in NHL after getting drafted and before you turn 20 and your not a dman chances are no analyst is calling you a future 1C.

give me some proof redwing1

Mitch Marner never was a 1C. if Frost was a winger i'd call him a high end prospect talent winger much like Marner was as an 18 year old. This conversation was about Frost being a 1C.
also, Dvorek put up simular numbers as Frost did in his final year. Noone calls him 1C.

Patrick was drafted to be a future 1C. He made NHL at 18 but mostly played wing. He might develop into a 1C but he has title of future 1C

Dubois, Hishier and probably even Hughes all started as wingers until they were ready for a bigger roll right after they got drafted. They all made their team after their 1st camp. Frost did not therefor cannot be a future 1C projection. he isn't even good enough for the team yet. AHL is for him until he is ready.

13.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 18:52:00
lets compare frost to marner just for fun

draft year marner 126 points
draft year frost 61 points

after drafted marner 116 points
after drafted frost 112 points

2nd year after drafted marner in NHL
2nd year after drafted Frost 109 points in OHL

both born in May 2 years apart
why didn't frost play in NHL last year. because he isn't a future 1C.

bye.

14.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 19:09:23
Those numbers are similar. One is a center the other is a winger. To sit here and say a 3c 40 pt player is worth more than 1 1st round pick center who was tops in the ohl is asinine. Has nothing to do with Leaf player or not. He will be a stud. He may not be marner elite but he will be a 1c/ 2c in the league. Why am I spitting nonsense. Because I called you out on bad deal.

15.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 19:10:11
If I am so wrong them post this on the main boardS you know what I will save you the trouble. I will do and take the heat for it.

16.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 19:37:17
@Makin

Long time no see my friend. I don’t think Korshkov makes the team. He’s a good player, but not good enough. Mikheyev looks like he stays. And bottom line will be filled with Moore, Spezza, and probably Petan/ Aberg. Bit of a toss up there.

Where you been hiding? Glad to see you back.

17.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 19:55:58
@redwing

Aside from the fact that it is childish to take trades to the main board where your Winnipeg buddies can agree with you and make you feel better about yourself, the fact is that this is a country, and especially Toronto, that is extremely knowledgeable about hockey. You repeat things you heard on the main board somewhere because it supports your view. When asked for proof, you fall back to the old “let’s post it on the main board”, like that’s some sort of proof. The half dozen or so guys there that are regular contributors know as much about hockey as the contributors on this site.

I’ve seen you re-post trades regularly on the main boards, and at best I’ve ever seen is you get a split decision. Not once have I seen an overwhelming “vote” in your favor. Else I’m sure you would be running back here bragging about how right you were.

You ever heard the saying “a bird in and is worth two in the bush”? Well that saying holds especially true in this case. A 25 year old proven nhl 3C getting 40+ points is far more valuable to a team than a couple b-prospects that might make the nhl some day. A rebuilding team might value Frost/ Ratcliffe more, but a contending team looking to make playoffs, will want the guaranteed production from a proven player more.

You sound like my ex. Absolutely refuse to give an inch. When you think you are right, you stubbornly refuse to even look and think about alternatives. You judge by fiat or by what one of your genius buddies on the main page says. Believe it or not, those guys aren’t analysts. One day they all posted their jobs. Just for something to do. They ran out of trade ideas I guess. Anyway, guess how many of them work in the hockey industry? None. They were oil field workers, custodians, framers, etc. Blue collar workers same as the guys on this site. They all have their own opinions and bias too.

18.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 19:58:29
redwing1

Did you even see the differance. Marner at the same age as frost in his draft year had 65 more points and that year was a center for the knights.

The year after they got drafted they were simular in points and marner split time with dvorek as the center.

Then marner made the leafs in his age 19 season but frost couldn't make a philly squad in his same age 19 season.

Marner then played his age 20 year season as his 2nd full year. Frost now in his age 20 season is in the AHL

I never said frost was bad i just stated he isn't a projected 1C by anyone anywhere unless you a philly fan or your you. great player just a projected top 6.

19.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 20:06:51
Why don't you also paste and copy my original response to this on the main board.
I simply said frost isn't a future 1C and until either hayes or patrick don't pan out frost will be utilized as a 3C which is no differant than kerfoot. Not once did i say kerfoot was better. Unless he transitions into a winger he can't and won't ever be one of the top 2 lines in philly center. At least for a while anyways.

Once again i never agreed or disagreed with the original proposal. I was just pointing out frost isn't a projected 1C and once again when you have no real retort to the subject you resort to challenging me to post this trade on the board.

My responses were never about the actual trade.

20.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 20:11:56
Looks like the first poster agrees with me. I think you guys full well know how good frost is going to be. That's why you are trying to poach him for crap.

21.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 20:38:56
Ask saginaw how hard frost works?

Once you take away his skill his defencive game lacks. Towards the end of the series vs saginaw hayton replaced him as the greyhounds 1C.

Again noone called him crap. He should be a solid player. He just isn't there yet and until anyone sees him in the NHL we truely can't judge him. Due to the fact he isn't here yet should tell you he is not projected to be a 1C

Would you trade Thomas for Frost. same draft, same age yet thomas is 1 year in NHL. why isn't Frost? Thomas is much closer to being a future 1C than Frost is by a good country mile and even Thomas isn't a clear future1C but he is definetly closer than Frost is.

22.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 21:05:38
The difference is minimal but like I said one plays wing the other plays. Center. Frost is a bluchip assets. Keefoot doesn't get him lol. No just like Johnson or kappy won't get you a #1. Just keeping digging yourself 8n deeper.

23.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 22:43:58
Im digging at nothing. i didn't even agree or disagree to the deal. Its like you're arguing the deal when noone has even agreed or disagreed to it but you. noone.

I simply took your (redwing1) first response to the proposal of you calling frost a future1C and said he wasnt. that's the discussion now. actually besides the korchkov question this is all this discussion has been about frost being or not being a future 1C.

You (redwing1)even tried comparing him to marner who as a teenager already had 60 points in the nhl. frost at 20 didn't even make philly and is in ahl. sure looks like a future 1C to me (sarcasm) you're (redwing1) not even good at comparing players or knowing what's actually being discussed.

Why don't you (redwing1)invite everyone on main board to come look at this conversation so they can get the whole picture drawn out for them.

24.) 30 Sep 2019
30 Sep 2019 23:19:41
Funny how on the sporting news top 50 nhl prospects that Morgan Frost comes in at #27. He is the 8th highest center on the list and is the 2nd oldest player on the list.

He is the #2 prospect for philly on that list.

Does that make you feel like he is future #1C to you?

He is good but will struggle to get on phillys top 6 for a while. He will develop in the AHL. most players dubbed future 1C make their club by 19.

Just so everyone knows kerfoot for frost straight up would probably not happen. Frost should become a better player than kerfoot. At this moment though he isn't and since toronto needs a 3C right now and frost has no defensive skill (kessel worthy) kerfoot is a much better option. Both teams pass as once frost learns better D he should become a solid top 6 player until philly players get older. Then he might become the 2C behind patrick. But since that won't happen for 3-4 years ( the hayes affect) frost is projected a top 6 guy when he is ready. If philly gets lucky and drafts a better C before that then Frost may never be a 2C. you just never know.