14 Feb 2019 16:17:55
Nylander and brown for Pesce and ferland. Add as u wish.

Not going further. Add up cap numbers and see what u think.

1.) 14 Feb 2019
14 Feb 2019 16:58:04
As a armchair GM, i don't mind this trade for $ amount. However, I believe there is real value in trading Gardiner before the deadline. Although leaf fans have a love-hate with him, he has value on the market and could be used as tool to gain a need for leafs. They have too many left handed D and essentially muzzin can fill that hole now, maybe not as much offensively but much better defensively. My plan would be to trade gardiner for a solid right handed defenseman (McQuaid) (UFA next year) and a pick from Rangers (2nd rounder? ) . Now for Nylander. His contract dispute and holding out while under contract cannot sit well with leafs management. The bottom line is that he got way too much on his contract and the bad taste in management's mouth (dont care what GM said) is not going to go away and I think they will move him because of contract and lack of production. Nylander can still get you a boat load on a trade with his potential, but he can and has already been replaced by a faster, grittier, more defensively responsible right winger in Kapinen. Kappy is the keeper here and he will come much cheaper. I would trade Nylander for a good gritty, tough hitting forward who will protect the smaller forwards. The other option is to trade Nylander for a skilled top three/ four defenceman and a pick to come back. There are other options out there including western conference.

Gardiner to NYR for McQuaid and 2nd rd pick

Nylander to Carolina for Pesce (or Manson in ANA) and 2nd rd pick

OR

Gardiner to Carolina for Ferland and 2nd rounder
Nylander to Carolina for Pesche (or manson) and 2nd rounder.

2.) 14 Feb 2019
14 Feb 2019 18:34:02
Nylander for Pesce is a-okay imo. Brown for Ferland I’m not as keen on. I know the numbers work, because it’s you posting Jodes. I don’t think anyone knows the Leafs budget better than you do. I always enjoy your proposals Jodes. I’m envious that you are so talented at the financial aspect of this whole armchair gm’ing. It’s an area that many contributors, including myself, don’t take into full consideration when floating a proposal. I always love your stufff Jodes. You have a keen mind and shrewd business sense.

@mick

I see you’re new to the forum. In general, you should limit any reply to the OP’s original proposal and suggest new trades in a new thread so you don’t hijack the OP’s discussion. It also helps encourage discussion on other topics. Jodes didn’t even mention Gardiner and your entire response was virtually about Gardiner. That would have been perfect opportunity to initiate a new thread, as everyone loves to hate on Gardiner.

3.) 14 Feb 2019
14 Feb 2019 19:34:24
Hey guys

I put a post in leafs talk talking numbers. Part of the reason for this trade

I get that the big trades are fun but bottom line they will not cause that much disruption to the team.

To keep team largely intact and bring in defence, money has got to go out

Gardiner? Not going anywhere this year I think. If they do trade him great. But get a rd. God.