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30 May 2017 11:56:55
Kari Lehtonen/ Antti Niemi + Radek Faksa to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for M. Marincin + K. Rychel + 2018 3rd Round Pick

Price for taking on a cap dump like Lehtonen/ Niemi will be decently high. Bolland+Crouse only got back a 2nd&3rd.
Dallas gets an okay prospect (Rychel) . a decent depth dman &a 3rd pick for Faksa.
Faksa scored 30 points last year, but it was really his only big year. With Seguin/ Spezza/ Eakin as centres for the future, Faksa could be moved.
The cap coming onto Toronto doesn't really matter, as there is no term on Lehtonen/ Niemi, however, Toronto isn't just going to take them on for nothing.

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30 May 2017 05:19:36
This is just a thought on getting a top line D man. Let me know if this is too much or too little for this guy. I'm assuming the market for a younger RHD is super high right now and I feel like this would be an overpayment by the leafs but would you guys do this trade. Leave your thoughts please!

Leafs: JVR, Kapanen, Bracco

OR: JVR, Bracco, Nielsen

Carolina: Justin Faulk.

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30 May 2017 05:42:15
What? no. no at all, massive overpaymet.

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30 May 2017 10:18:49
LOL. way too much for a decent defenseman. Might as well go for Hanifin and Bean if you pay that much.

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30 May 2017 13:04:45
Auston Matthews

I know this is an overpayment but how is faulk a "decent defence men "? Do you know hockey? He is a top 2 d man in the league, so does that mean JVR is a "decent " player? You'll say no because some leafs fan are so biased and haven't seen other players play.

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30 May 2017 13:16:50
I think Faulk would be an amazing player to have with the Leafs. He's an elite D and plays with some sand paper too. Done deal if I was Leafs. I'd try make it happen without adding Kappy though and maybe add a pick or something.

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29 May 2017 18:55:31
Braccos value is peaking right now, on the right side he is destined to be a third liner behind Marner and Nylander. He's an excellent prospect, but the Leafs aren't that far from being at the next level, they've proven that this year.

Bracco and Carrick
To Ducks for

Conditional pick 3rd in 2018 goes to Toronto if Carrick isn't picked, if he is Toronto sends 2018 3rd

Ducks get a real good prospect and a decoy for the expansion draft.

Leafs get their RHD they need.

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29 May 2017 19:28:34
There will be room for Bracco on the top 2 lines once Nylander makes the push to centre.

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30 May 2017 03:20:20
In fairness I haven't watched Bracco but I can't imagine he plays a physical brand, the Leafs have as of now.
Martin, Boyle, Kadri and Komarov who play a physical style. Whilst Matthews, Bozak and JvR have some size don't play physical, and then Kapanen who will bump and grind but still undersized. Then the completely non physical with Marner, Nylander and Brown.

Do you really think it's a good idea to add another undersized non physical player? Yes skill and speed kills but Leafs are FINE in that department.

This team isn't a rebuild anymore, this team is built now and it's time to fills needs to make it into a winner.

Rebuilder, Builder, tweeker, Contender and Dynasty

That's how I see the stages over a team and Toronto is between Builder and Tweeker in my eyes.

They're a few pieces short of being a contender but with some growth and filling the needs they can be very a soon a serious contender.

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29 May 2017 15:45:46
So not sure if this is even close for doughty but adding browns contract would be a huge cap relief for them.

Tor - 2017 first, komorov, bracco, Kapannen, Dermott

LA - Doughty, Brown

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29 May 2017 16:20:11
This is too unrealistic.

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29 May 2017 17:13:23
No way this happens way too much to give up.

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29 May 2017 20:57:00
So what gives, now you want to switch the team building goal over to how Old can we get real fast?

Sorry guy, but trading away so many prospects AND our First Round Draft Pick . Naaaa not a chance!

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29 May 2017 23:03:24
Maybe komarov, van riemsdyk, soshnikov and the leafs throw in lupul for the brown contract seems fair to me.

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29 May 2017 23:14:45
I could see maybe komerov, soshnikov, van remsdyk and the leafs throw in lupul for browns contract.

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30 May 2017 02:23:01
Leafs add 12.9 million on their cap hit over the next few years just in time for the Big Three contracts to come up? Brown's contract is quite frankly the worst in the League right now.

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27 May 2017 06:32:35
Tor- bracco, Lindberg, bozak
SJ- vlasic
Sj trades one of their better defenseman for scoring if Thornton and marleau leave.

Tor- Gardiner, Sj 2nd 2018, soshnikov
Win- trouba
Winnipeg needs left handed defenseman in exchange for a right handed one


Sign bonino, Thornton, or another center in free agency to replace bozak. Unless they think Brooks can step into lineup.

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27 May 2017 15:47:28
This is bad.

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27 May 2017 16:04:02
Sharks laugh.

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27 May 2017 16:15:10
Why is that.

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27 May 2017 16:16:25
Vlasic is 30. Interesting trade, but find someone younger.

I like the Trouba deal. Although I'd hate to give up Sosh.

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28 May 2017 15:26:25
The Leafs need defence so you propose they trade Gardiner?

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28 May 2017 16:56:52
Vlasic is arguably the best defensemen in the league at defence. He doesn't have the brightest scoring resume but he does the little things so well. He has excellent hockey sense and plays smart, something the leafs D is lacking.
Although he's 30 he may be a steal. Too bad he's a LHD tho.

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26 May 2017 10:37:22
JVR for Manson? The leafs biggest need is defense. From what I saw this playoffs, I like his physical play and defensive awareness. I'd rather not give up one of their top rookies to acquire Vaatanen or Lindholm.
Sign C.Franson. He wants to be back in TO, was great on the PP and hits the net with almost every shot.

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26 May 2017 17:27:25
What a creative trade proposal. This is genius!
You should become a GM.

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27 May 2017 14:27:24
The ignorance of people on here is absurd. Instead of mocking him, how about explain why you think this doesn't work. (I think its a good trade)

if you can't back up your opinion, then you must be too foolish to know what you're talking about and shouldn't be posting ANYTHING. Go away haters. You're annoying.

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27 May 2017 15:51:37
I think the mockery is because this proposal has been made 100000 times on this site.

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27 May 2017 21:06:53
Hey pal, this is a hockey discussion. A sport of some of the finest chirping around. Untuck your raisins from between your legs and learn to take a little chirp.

All I'm saying is we've heard that proposal a few 100 times so it's interesting to hear some new ideas people have.
Solid debate material tho.
& the caps added some fire to your argument I like it. Use those more Hurdemz.

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28 May 2017 03:34:16
JVR over the past 5 years is a top 30 goal scorer and a top 27 in goals per 60 minutes. Is that worth a young RH defender with some upside? I don't think so. Franson coming back to the Leafs is not going to happen.

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28 May 2017 19:50:23
I don't understand are you saying JvR is worth more or not enough for a RHD with upside? Top 30 in those categories indicates you might be saying he's worth more?

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26 May 2017 00:51:35
To LEAFS: R.PULOCK + M.DAL COLLE + 15th overall pick

To ISLANDERS: JVR + 17th overall pick + 2nd conditional( if JVR doesn't Re-sign)

Expose carrick he hasn't been good this year , small and for an offensive d man he can't get over 10 points . And I think PULOCK can be better


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26 May 2017 05:22:05
I don't think this evaluation is right. dal colle hasn't really done anything but he was drafted 5th overall. his value is still too high to make a move for him. Pulock is definitely a guy I'd target though. And you can't say Carrick was bad this year, he played decent for the minutes he was given. He's also short but thick, height doesn't really mean anything. He's still a tough guy. As far as offensive defencemen. he was paired with gardiner most of the season who is super offensive. That forced carrick to stay back and cover their own end.

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26 May 2017 23:42:42
I do like it but I believe they still need another guy that can slot into their top 4. Pulock could be that guy but I feel he's better suited on the bottom pairing with either Nielson, Dermott, Rosen, Borgman, etc.

Rielly - UFA/ Trade
Gards - Zaitsev
Niel/ Derm/ Ros/ Borg - Pulock.

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27 May 2017 05:51:34
I think we should stick with what we need. We don't need LW players Dal Colle is out. the trade of 15th and 17th are a moot move. that is out.
Jvr for Pulock and a 2nd is more to the tune of a logical trade.

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27 May 2017 16:06:21

And who do we have on LW? Our LW and RD are our weakest that we need to fix.

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27 May 2017 18:02:33
Wingers are easier to get, so the logical thing to do would be to trade jvr, as for his replacement oshie is a FA and is good in the shootout so he addresses multiple needs, trade him for a non established nhler and picks, some team would bite. The leafs are strong on the left side and gardiner and Garrick are a good fit for one another, they need a strong mobile dman to fill that last spot on the right side. when Polak went down it exposed that lack of dman depth, they addressed that with Rosen who is a left shot but plays the right side, if holl can be the guy he wouldn't be a bad option either and depending on their offseasons dermott and Neilson may surprise at camp.

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27 May 2017 18:27:17
We have a number of LW er's in our system that we have spent time grooming that should be given opportunities rather than shluffing them off to pick up someone else
Carl Grndstrom, Andreas Johnson, Brendan Leipsic, Kirby Rychel, Dymitro Timashov, Trevor Moore, Adam Brooks.

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27 May 2017 18:41:24
And. Nikita Soshnikov.

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28 May 2017 04:12:16
Goat. check out who are on the Marlies and you will see who we have as far as LW prospects. oh and add Soshnikov.

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28 May 2017 06:29:19
Your JVR for Pullock and a second is a hard no. Not logical for the buds.

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26 May 2017 00:48:20
To LEAFS: T.HAMONIC + 15th overall pick

To ISLANDERS: JVR + 17th overall pick

Islanders: they get a good winger for Tavares which Ladd couldn't do.

Leafs: move up 2 spots in the draft but it gives us a better percentage in picking Cal foote. Also get a top 4 defensive d man that fits our need


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26 May 2017 11:25:21
I like this. Really like Hamonic, Islanders probably bite because that need for Tavares to have a line mate is so pressing.
Fair trade, and Isles have no trouble protecting JvR.
If leaves do make a move for a D, I jus hope they can unload Carrick for anything really, if he's exposed he's a goner, for free.

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26 May 2017 18:48:13
This is my favourite trade proposal yet. Would love to see this happen. Fair trade that fits both teams needs.
Excellent shut down defenseman with good physical presence.
Islanders will definitely be looking to move one of their unprotected Dmen and this would be a good return.
Talks of Drouin for Hamonic have also been rumoured but JVR has already had much more success.

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26 May 2017 21:58:47
Guys, Hamonic struggled this past season - he was on the ice for almost a goal per game 5 on 5.

Would prefer that we go after someone like Josh Manson from Anaheim if we could possibly swing a deal.

Also, everyone seems to want to send JVR to fetch a "D" man. Why not consider a "package" such as Kasperi Kapernen OR Connor Brown plus a 3'rd this year.

Manson would be a great add to the Leafs and in return, we need to send Anaheim a decent young forward plus a draft pick.

Don't just go saying that we should send like Six pieces that we don't need or that would never make it to the NHL for the Leafs - in other words, be realistic. The above may not seem like enough from Toronto but I think it's Value for Value under the circumstances that Anaheim is in re upcoming internal draft.

Just trying to come up with decent Leaf players that would NOT have to be protected by Anaheim.

Anyway, your comments / thoughts?

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26 May 2017 23:35:33

Wouldn't mind getting Manson.

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27 May 2017 04:41:36
I like the idea of trading JvR because eventually Toronto will need the cap space, and need to spend it on a D. The forward budget is already being accounted for, JvR will not be extended so he is the best option to trade.
It's hard to judge Hamonic in such a way, the Isles were weaker this year and he gets all too line duties. He's a great D to have, great leader, physical player, he is EXACTLY what the Leafs need.


That looks like a pretty large improvement already.

Rosen is a great skater, he will have no trouble adjusting to the North American game.

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27 May 2017 18:37:15
If you go to Hockeydb. com T. Hamonic. in 10 yrs. of pro hockey has been a minus player 7 times. not something I would wish to trade for.

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27 May 2017 20:12:22
I like Hamonic, you can't judge a player solely on that statistic.

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27 May 2017 20:18:42
He's the perfect age to be with this group, he is the type of guy who will be a rock on the back end. He's still entering his prime here, he's jus 26 and he plays the style that Toronto needs.
He's only played 9 pro seasons and you cannot judge a D playing in AHL by plus/ minus whatsoever.
In 444 NHL games his career plus/ minus is -7 only because of this year. Also, the Isles haven't always been real strong, so you're judging a player on stats, not how he plays.

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27 May 2017 20:21:26
And he comes in under 4 mil. Which is invaluable considering the contracts coming in Leaf Nation.

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25 May 2017 22:35:04
Lindholm, and Vatanen are both out long term with shoulder injuries so you can rule out a trade with those 2.

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26 May 2017 01:42:26
That won't stop them from getting delt if they were ever going to be.

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26 May 2017 03:03:06
Is this real life?

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26 May 2017 12:43:08
. or is this just fantasy?

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26 May 2017 13:15:23
Caught in a landslide. No escape from reality!

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27 May 2017 18:39:31
Very good guys. lol.

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25 May 2017 21:17:02
I have seen a couple Mock Drafts where Timothy Liljegren is take TB at 14. I would love to see Toronto jump up to 13 and grab him. Winnipeg is in a tough will likely lose Tyler Myers in the expansion draft. Would you trade

Toronto JVR & 1st (17 OA)

Winnipeg Tyler Myers & 1st (13 OA which is used on Timothy Liljegren)

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25 May 2017 23:19:25
I'm out of the 5'10" - 6'0" d-men. BODY MOVING d-men are what we need. And don't tell me small guys can do what Chara can. big d-men are better by far in your own end. except for Phanuef.

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26 May 2017 02:39:45
I actually really like this trade. Works great for both teams but only if Liljegren is still available at 13th which I think is doubtful. I think Winnipeg fans would be happy with this as well.

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26 May 2017 03:06:53
The NHL is changing. It ain't easy to find yourself a big body mobile defencemen. Aslong as they're good skaters, height doesn't matter. What's the difference between a D man who's 6 foot 2, 200 pounds and Travis dermott who's 5-11 215?

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26 May 2017 03:25:32
He's been facing some serious injuries though, our LITR is already full and we don't need another frequent visitor.

Although he's young and can still make a good impact. I think there are better options out there if the leafs are going to move JVR to get that defenceman they need.
Not to mention his cap hit is 5.5M, and he isn't even a top pairing D.
I do agree he's the kind of D the Leafs need though. Just wish he was cheaper and healthier.

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26 May 2017 11:24:32
You do know that Myers is like 6'6".

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