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20 Feb 2019 21:47:30
If I was Dubas, I'd look at Nick Jensen specifically, and set in sight an extension for him if we were to acquire him [Ballpark of 2-3M over 3-4 Years if possible]

N. Jensen [UFA] to TOR for J. Holl [+1 Year, 675K] + K. Kaskisuo [RFA] + 2019&2020 3rd Round Picks.

Then, for next year:

Morgan Rielly [5M] - Jake Muzzin [4M]
Travis Dermott [2M] - Nick Jensen [2M]/ Nikita Zaitsev [4M]
Calle Rosen [780K] - Andreas Borgman [800K]/ Nick Jensen [2M]

If Zaitsev picks up the pace, he may stay, and we end up with Rosen-Jensen as a bottom pair which, imo, is solid.

That totals to appx. 18 Million w. Zaitsev, and 14 Million w/ o him. If the cap increases to appx. 83 Million, we have 59M to work with [excluding Freddy/ Sparks] if we keep Zaitsev, or 63 if not.

Tavares/ Marner/ Matthews/ Nylander/ Johnsson/ Kapanen/ Hyman/ Kadri will account to appx. 51 Million, dropping us to 8M with Zaitsev and 12M without. 8M is just enough to keep both Brown and Marleau, and account for our last two roster spots with Ennis [again, perhaps] and Trevor Moore, both at minimums. If we drop Zaitsev, then we have 4M to work with additionally.

The only downside - we likely have to pay a team to take Nathan Horton; so, maybe Horton&2nd to ARZ? Works for me tbh.

And if we're too tight - we drop Brown, and bring up Pierre Engvall who has played center for this season with AHL Toronto.

Then, the lineup is a mush of the following:

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Moore - Kadri - Kapanen [Or Marleau/ Kadri/ Kapanen]
Ennis - Marleau - Brown [Or Engvall/ Marleau/ Ennis OR Moore/ Engvall/ Ennis].

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20 Feb 2019 21:03:02
Leafs trade a 2nd 2020

Wings trade mike green retained at 50%

Get a rhd who's played well this year considering playing for a bottom feeder and comes with playoff experience. I personally don't see the downside

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20 Feb 2019 20:20:49
In leafs talk I posted about adding a couple Dman. I would like to see leafs dive in for Pesce and Jensen. I will only look at next year's salaries and from there, figure out who needs to go

With the d, I assumed Jensen unsigned for next year. Reilly-Pesce-muzzin-xxx-Dermott-Liljegren-sandin or other seventh. The cost is maximum $16m plus thstvextra guy

Lea.

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20 Feb 2019 20:39:13
To get Pesce how about this trade

Johnsson brown
Pesce

The money works and the canes get two fast forwards only problem is who do you replace them with now.

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20 Feb 2019 21:07:05
Stupid phone

With that defence group and adding goalies and Kessel, we are at around $23m

Matthews-Marleau-Marner-tavares call it $38.5m. Total of $61.5m. Have said all along we shouldn't spend to cap so thinking $18.5m left.

Nylander-$7m
Hyman-$2m
Johnnson- $2.5m?
Kadri-$4.5m
Kapanen-$3.5m?
Fourth line- $2.5m?
Right d with muzzin - $3m?

$6.5m over.

So this implies Gardiner gone. Zaitsev gone. And $6.5m more. Who goes? To me its Kadri and Hyman. But then more grit gone. Nylander? Just him gone then. Minimal other disruption

So interested to see the decisions made between now and next year. They won't win the cup this year with that d as is though.

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20 Feb 2019 16:45:17
Tor: Borgman
Edm: Petrovic

Tor: hainsey 4th maybe ahler like marchment
Nyr: McQuaid

Tor: Brown 2nd
Phi: simmonds

So idk if you guys listen to the Steve dangle podcast but the made a good point about how Babcock loves to go with what he's comfortable with instead of trying new things which leads to players like hainsey playing as your top rhd when he's not that player so how you break that habit you trade him these moves adress the physical needs of the leafs.

Johnsson Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares marner
Simmonds kadri Kapanan
Moore Gauthier Lindholm

Reilly dermott
Muzzin Mcquaid
Gardiner Petrovic
Zaitzev

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20 Feb 2019 17:39:16
We can't afford Petrovic this year or next year, so the first trade is a no.

I would take Hainsey over Mcquaid.

Philly would want more.

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20 Feb 2019 18:24:03
For the cap situation it’s easy you can move anyone of our fourth liners to make it work and we don’t have to worry about next year he’s a ufa as for Mcquaid for hainsey makes more sense to me to have a guy like McQuaid over hainsey yes hainsey logs you lots of minutes but he’s too soft and too slow he’s actually a bottom pairing guy time to move on as for the simmonds trade I posted the same trade and added Bracco and everyone said it was too much lol that would be the player I add or tymashov all these trade are doable I get you want talent but we don’t need no more talent we need meat and potatoe guys the leafs get slapped around by teams like Boston.

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20 Feb 2019 16:39:15
Leafs trade 1st (2020), Timashov, 2nd
Av’s trade Barrie

Obviously it’s based on the Muzzin trade. while I don’t like the thought of losing next years 1st already, Barrie does have the extra year on his contract. I think his style of play really suits Leafs rather well. We can still get a cheap heavy hitter for depth. Those guys are a dime a dozen. Barrie is RHD version of Gardiner and would give us four top 50 defensemen. It would be one of the best in the league behind maybe only SJ, Calgary, and Nashville.

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20 Feb 2019 16:47:57
I think gardiner for Barrie is fair both play same style just opposite sides same the first add a 2nd next year.

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20 Feb 2019 17:37:57
I feel like Dubas is going to keep the 2020 1st until he knows for sure that the leafs won't need it. Due to the cap crunch, he may have to trade some players that would make the leafs worse, so the 1st may be something he holds onto in case things don't go according to plan.

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20 Feb 2019 18:58:12
@mostleaf

I agree with you. I don’t think Leafs should be dipping in to next year’s picks yet either. We should be holding that until next year when we know what our needs then will be.
Maybe instead of the 1st we could give a combination of players/ prospects? What do you think MostLeaf?

@leafs1994

I didn’t want to trade Gardiner for Barrie because I was wanting to keep him for this year’s playoff run. Trading Gardiner for Barrie doesn’t really improve us significantly enough to make the trade worthwhile. A package of picks let's us keep our top 50 defenseman, who is very valuable and good to have as insurance against injury to Rielly.

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20 Feb 2019 20:28:37
Fair enough but how do you afford this trade honestly I can’t see the leafs getting that top 4 d because we have to ship out a contract worth atleast 3 mil which not many guys have that low of a cap hit.

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20 Feb 2019 16:38:19
Leafs: Borgman, 6th
Rangers: McQuaid

Leafs: Brown, Zaitsev, Gardiner, 3rd
Canes: Pesce

Rielly-Pesce
Muzzin-Dermott
Hainsey-McQuaid
Rosen

Slavin-Hamilton
Gardiner-Faulk
DeHaan-Zaitsev
TVR

Deal works for both teams, we pay more so we don't have to trade Johnsson or Kapanen and also free up salary. Our defense looks solid.

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20 Feb 2019 16:49:56
The canes have lost of cap space but they have aho to resign and I’m sure they would love to resign ferland so I find it hard to believe they would take gardiner and Zaitzev contracts.

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20 Feb 2019 17:20:05
If we are trading for a top 6D I would rather take Jensen from Detroit. Mcquaid is good and all but I feel he would just be depth. Unless we are getting rid of Zaitsev, I feel Jensen is the better choice.
Jensen for some reason always plays really well against the leafs, so maybe he would play even better in a leafs uniform. He puts up more points anyway.

The second trade seems fair but remember Carolina wants more offence so I don't think they give us Pesce for two D and a penalty killer.

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20 Feb 2019 19:10:43
Carolina is stuffed with defensemen. They would have to sit somebody if they bring in two and only trade one. Who would they be sitting in press box? MostLeaf is right. They want forwards. And I imagine they would be interested in someone with a bit more substance than Brown.

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20 Feb 2019 16:37:37
Here's a thought or two:

Tor: Gardiner, Sparks, Holl
Det: Jenson, Nyquist, Howard


Tor: Zaitzev, Brown, 2nd
NYR: McQuaid, Zuccarello

The money is about even and skill level. Any thoughts?

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20 Feb 2019 16:52:53
I like the first trade maybe add a 2nd to it and drop Jensen and Holl then in the second trade just pick up McQuaid for cheap.

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20 Feb 2019 16:58:06
This is interesting, but I don't leafs do the first think the leafs do the first trade for a couple of reasons. First, I heard Detroit wanted to re-sign Nyquist and Howard, so even if this trade does happen they may just go back to Detroit next year. Second, The leafs will need a true top 4D back if they want to trade Gardiner. We don't have the depth right now to replace him, and Jensen is a good top 6D but I don't think he would be good in our top 4.

I don't think the Rangers will give you Zuccarello for that package. They will want at least a 1st and a prospect for him. Zaitsev for Mcquaid is definitely something that Dubas should look at though.

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20 Feb 2019 19:06:44
I wouldn’t expect Leafs to re-sign any of those guys anyway. That’s why try are called rentals. I don’t know how much Detroit would want Gardiner. We are probably better off keeping him ourselves than trading him for any of those guys. got to agree with MostLeaf regarding Zuccarelo. Besides, if you’re bringing in Nyquist, how much need do we have for yet another forward?

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20 Feb 2019 12:53:44
It seems about the time of year to re-acquire Polak lol

To TOR: D - R. Polak + F - B. Comeau + D - M. Methot (cap dump)

To DAL: F - C. Brown + D - N. Zaitsev

Comeau will be a reliable 2nd line LW after this season and the Leafs pay a little to move Zaitsev out to clear cap. Polak is someone Babcock has liked to have.

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20 Feb 2019 14:58:43
So in this deal the leafs are taking on 2 million dollars in cap space.
However, Methot can go to LTIR and both his and Polak's contract expire at the end of this year. That means the leafs are technically dumping 2.9 million dollars in cap this year, and have an extra 4.2 million dollars in cap space next year.

If the leafs could flip Comeau at the deadline then I would be all for this, he is too old on is on pace for a career low in points. He is a 4th line LW, not a 2md line LW. We can't have a 4th liner making 2.4 million dollars next year, we just can't afford to do it.

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20 Feb 2019 16:10:21
Brown is 4th line and making over $2M. But then again, I’ve also been saying we can’t afford him either. We could have just signed Conway in the summer if we wanted him. I don’t think Leafs have any interest in him. I’d rather just keep Brown.

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20 Feb 2019 16:28:37
Just a thought you think Dallas would trade methots LTIR for hortons I mean it has an extra year but I mean it kinda makes sense for them cap wise no?

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20 Feb 2019 17:14:08
I've posted before swapping LTIR of Horton for Methot.

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20 Feb 2019 12:14:16
Tor: brown Bracco 3rd or 4th
Phi: simmonds

Tor: gardiner 4th 2020
Nyr: Mcquaid

So the leafs add depth and grit and don't give up a lot gardiner is gone anyways the rangers would likely flip him and simmonds comes and try's to come win a cup before going back to philly these deals free up a bit of cap space this offseason

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20 Feb 2019 12:41:57
Although I don't see the Leafs moving Gardiner unless he's packaged in something big. You have sorely misjudged his value. The Rangers would be sending McQuaide ++ to get Gardiner.

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20 Feb 2019 13:15:39
The trade is not to get value back it more about dumping his salary.

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20 Feb 2019 14:05:29
Dumping who's salary? Gardiner is a UFA. That is not who needs to get dumped.

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20 Feb 2019 14:14:38
Yes I know that but it’s will be next to impossible to move Zaitzev and I mean There both terrible.

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20 Feb 2019 14:30:35
What I'm saying is if you want to move Gardiner, the return will be far greater than what was proposed.

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20 Feb 2019 15:01:25
What do you think gardiner is worth? Me personally I think he’s work a second and a medium level prospect but you won’t get that return from the ranger I think Mcquaid and a ahl player would be fine unless you can get more elsewhere.

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20 Feb 2019 16:14:24
I think Gardiner is worth at least a 1st+ myself. He’s a top 50 defenseman.

I like the Simmonds deal because you are giving Brown a chance on another team that I really feel he deserves. I don’t know how I feel about sending Bracco along with him though. I kinda figured Bracco would be Brown’s replacement next year. Maybe Philly would take an alternative prospect like Timashov or Marchment?

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20 Feb 2019 04:17:38
Leafs need a big change!

Trade
To Tor. Landeskog and Barrie
To Col. Kapanen, Johnsson, Gardiner and Rosen

To Tor. Gudas
To Phi. Zaitzev and 2nd 2019

Landeskog, Matthews, Nylander
Hyman, Tavares, Marner
Marleau, Kadri, Brown
Ennis, Lindholm, Moore

Rielly, Barrie
Muzzin, Dermott
Haisey, Gudas

Andersen
Spark

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20 Feb 2019 12:09:04
Not the change you need leafs will move Johnsson if it makes sense but not kapanen and definitely not both.

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20 Feb 2019 12:42:37
You have made the Leafs worse in the first trade.

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20 Feb 2019 15:07:24
That first trade isn;t very good. Wjhat I have heard is that the leafs are now discussing contracts with Johnsson and Kapanen. I don't think either of these guys are getting traded. Torontobuds is right anyway, the leafs get worse.

The second trade I like, but the pick should be a 2020 2nd since the leafs already trade their 201 1st, so we need the 2nd rounder.

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20 Feb 2019 16:16:48
Landeskog ain’t going anywhere. Colorado will be looking to add secondary scoring without breaking up that outstanding top trio they have. Barrie is an excellent choice. If we could get him for a package similar to what we paid for Muzzin, Leafs should pursue it. I know he’s a RHD version of Gardiner, but is that so bad? We would have four top 50 defensemen on the team. And three for next year remaining.

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