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22 Aug 2017 16:07:49
Minor move to free contract and cap space.

Leafs: Marincin, 2018 7th
Avs: 2018 3rd

Avs have only 3 d-men signed for this year and traing camp a month away. They don't have 3 d-men in their systen ready to step into the NHL and Zadorov still unsigned. If they continue to stumble a 3rd is almost a 2nd.

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22 Aug 2017 15:04:09
Detroit:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C

Edmonton:
Mike Green D
1st 2019 (top 10 protected if not 2020)


New Jersey:
Martin Marincin D
Frederik Gauthier C

Toronto:
3rd 2018
5th 2019

Carolina:
James van Riemsdyk LW
Josh Leivo LW
Tobias Lindberg RW

Toronto:
Nicolas Roy C
2nd 2019
1st 2018 (lottery protected if not 2019)

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22 Aug 2017 16:45:02
Really. Hopkins gets you a 1st and Green. JVR, Leivo, Lindgren gets a first and 2nd? . I wouldn't give up Leivo for Hopkins! . nice try Montreal boy.

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22 Aug 2017 01:10:06
TOR
-Josh Leivo
-Kerby Rychel
-Eric Fehr
-2018' 2ND
-2018' 7TH

CAR
-Brett Pesce
-Roland Mckeown

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22 Aug 2017 16:52:20
A bit too much from the Leafs for my liking. take out the '18 2nd and it looks good.

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21 Aug 2017 10:05:01
Leafs need to make minor deal clean out a few bodies

Leafs trade rychell valiev soshnikov

Vegas 2nd rounder 2018

Leafs opening lineup 2018

Marleau Matthews nylander
JVR Kadri marner
Komarov bozak brown
Martin Moore hymen

Atlantic division standings

Tampa bay
Toronto
Montreal
Ottawa
Buffalo
Boston
Florida
Detroit

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21 Aug 2017 10:39:31
Bozak and Kadri will probably be playing with the same linemates they played with last season.

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21 Aug 2017 16:50:03
Think you have Montreal too high and Florida too low.

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21 Aug 2017 16:58:49
What are these lineups? Have you even watched the leafs last year?

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21 Aug 2017 21:09:42
I would say probably not Goatson.

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21 Aug 2017 22:24:17
Goatson and dbone

Criticize but don't offer anything up numbskulls.

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22 Aug 2017 00:55:10
Because it's evident you don't even watch the Leafs, so whatever you say has no credibility.
The Kadri line played against the oppositions best line night in and night out, why would Babcock take that line out of that role for no good reason.
We are offering up some advice, watch the Leafs and then you will be apt to make reasonable posts.

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22 Aug 2017 02:07:47
Sorry Davidmackin, I can't see this trade happening, at least, these three prospects in particular for only a 2nd round pick. I get some people might think these three hold very little value, yet I'm still optimistic that Rychel in particular, will make the team. He played fairly well for the marlies last season and showed some promise. I think it's too early to give up on shoshnikov although I could see Valiev moving on beyond this season as other young defenders are moving past him on the depth chart (I. e. Dermott, Neilson, Carrick, liljegren) .
The Leafs are going to take their time and evaluate whose not in their long term plans. If the Leafs do another grabner deal, it won't happen until after management and coaching staff have had an opportunity to evaluate everyone at camp.

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22 Aug 2017 02:34:26
the lineup that you have makes no sense
and also you think Montreal will do better than the team that made it to the eastern conference final?

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22 Aug 2017 11:38:55
Captain Clutch,
Ottawa played above their heads all year, and had the easiest path that to conference finals. Do not see them behind Montreal necessarily, but likely lower in the standings then proposed.

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22 Aug 2017 17:01:31
David. when you say 2018 season is that 2017-18.or the 2018-19 season. if it's the '18/ 19 I don't see JVR being in the lineup. and maybe Bozak for that matter.

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22 Aug 2017 20:00:29
If price plays like best goalie in NHL then Montreal finishes high. Montreal is all about Carey Price. Dbone maeleau takes over Hyman spot next to Matthews the only switch in my lineup maybe bozak playing second line. Kadri sliding between komarov and brown. So revised

Marleau Matthews nylander
JVR bozak marner
Komarov kadri brown
Matin. Moore hymen.

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20 Aug 2017 15:36:13
A few JVR trades:

To NSH: F - JVR

To TOR: D - D. Fabbro + 2018 1st round pick

or

To NYI: F - JVR + F - E. Fehr

To TOR: 2018 1st round pick (better of 2 1st round picks)+ F - N. Kulemin + 2018 2nd round pick

or

To ANA: F - JVR

To TOR: F - S. Steel + 2018 1st round pick

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20 Aug 2017 16:02:33
I'd be a fan of any of these trades going down. Preferably the Nashville and Anaheim deals. I think a prospect and 1st should be the going rate for JvR.
My fear is Toronto uses JvR as their own rental though, if the Leafs are in a position to make the playoffs I don't think they'll be trading any roster players. So if a trade is going to happen it will have to happen at American thanksgiving or before the season starts.
Kapanen should make it easier to trade JvR.

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20 Aug 2017 19:46:36
All three of these deals feel more inline with JVR’s actual value versus perceived value (i. e. trading him for Trouba, Dumba, or any other top pairing defenceman) .

My sentiments exactly with Dbone and have also mentioned how JVR may remain with the Leafs should they make the playoffs. Just look at what the Leafs did last trade deadline when they traded a 2nd round pick for Boyle (a rental) . The Leafs demonstrated some forfeiting of future assets for the present. They could do the opposite in trading JVR, but whatever comes back in return likely wouldn’t be something that immediately helps this team for 2018.

That being said, should Toronto receive an offer that includes Fabbro and a 1st or something in similar value, I’d make that deal despite the playoff picture. But that’s just my thinking of asset management and getting something in return for a pending UFA.

I wouldn’t rush into any trade and wait until the trade deadline. If Toronto is completely out of a playoff spot, then expect JVR to be 100% gone and traded for something proposed above.

Some of you may disagree and you are free to say so, but JVR will not net you one of the top blueliners for another team. Teams trading for JVR will be looking to at to their roster, not addition through subtraction.

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20 Aug 2017 22:55:50
My thoughts on the ANA deal most specifically is that Steel could turn into a great 2nd/ 3rd line C and then the Leafs could unload Bozak at the deadline too (possible) . As for the NSH deal, it brings in yet another prospect (although not at the NHL level yet) to the pool and does not count as a contract as he's not signed and in college.

At the deadline, the leafs can then peddle 1 of their 2 1st round picks for help if they feel they need it, otherwise they have 2 1st's going into the draft. Definitely, not a bad place to build from.

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21 Aug 2017 15:57:39
Like the NYI and Ana deals. Islanders would net a higher 1st pick and a 2nd for taking the Kulemin dump. Ducks get you a blue chip centre prospect plus a low 1st. Preds deal I would stay away from unless he is signed (or agrees to) beforehand. You could end up with a Vessey or Butcher.

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22 Aug 2017 01:56:06
All three have some merit.

The first is pretty good with the exception of losing him to free agency as spider said.

The second is good with the exception of Kulemin coming back. He would just end up on Robidas Island (or if we are lucky, get claimed on waivers) .

The third, I would do even if the Leafs would have to add, say a conditional 3rd SJS; that becomes a 2nd (latest) if JVR doesn't re-sign.

I could nicely envision a future lineup of Marner, Steel and Brooks. And a late first to spend on a Dman again. A 3.2 M +/ - drop in cap is just a nice sweetener as well.

Good deals 1 and 3.

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20 Aug 2017 13:11:32
Arizona:
J. van Riemsdyk LW
M. Marincin D
conditional 2nd 2020

Toronto:
2018 2nd x2 ( highest and lowest of there 3 2nd round picks)
conditional 1st 2020

**conditional pick if JVR resigns with Arizona and Toronto swap 2020 picks**

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20 Aug 2017 15:19:18
No deal on the conditional pick if he re-signs. They can still trade him away mid season and get a 1st back. Must be included, no conditions. Take away 1 of the 2nd's, just make it a 1st and 2nd round pick.

Ok with a condition of 2018 or 2019 1st round pick. Top 5 protected.

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20 Aug 2017 18:14:14
Leafs opening top 12

Marleau matthews nylander
JVR kadri marner
Komarov bozak brown
Martin Moore hymen

Where do leafs finish in east

Tampa bay
Leafs
Montreal
Ottawa
Boston
Bullalo
Florida
Detroit.

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19 Aug 2017 13:28:50
PENS or Rangers: 2nd 2018, 2nd 2019
LEAFS: Bozak


Vegas: 2nd 2018, 2nd 2019
LEAFS: JVR.

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19 Aug 2017 14:42:23
Why would you even want 2 second round picks over top 6 depth?

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19 Aug 2017 16:20:50
Vegas would not trade picks for a rental.

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19 Aug 2017 16:28:04
Deadline deal. Should have mentioned that.
Idea would he to stock the pound for the future. We are going to need cheap talent in the future with our future cap issues.
JVR, and Bozak are not signing with us next season.
If we can draft guys like bracco, dermott with those 2nd round picks we will be golden.
But that is just MY opinion.

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20 Aug 2017 00:23:28
If it's a deadline deal JvR garners a much better return and I doubt Toronto drops both players unless they're in sell mode, which they won't be.

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20 Aug 2017 19:52:11
if the Leafs do trade JVR at the trade deadline, they're going to get a blue chip prospect and/ or 1st round pick in return. Teams will overpay to add him.

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19 Aug 2017 09:42:51
Just something new and different that I'd love to see. Not sure what the evaluation would be though.

TOR: Nielsen, Brown, 2nd round pick

ARI: Domi

I love domi because he brings something that the team lacks, strength and grit. He can play on Matthews wing or play centre to Marner when Bozak leaves. Great versatility player who would flourish with our talent. I also think he would take a discount in Toronto.

Too much from leafs? Not enough? Comment your thoughts!

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19 Aug 2017 15:48:22
MarquesMen - I think Domi might be under too much pressure playing in Toronto. Expectations from the Fans would be sky high.

I'm sure he has more potential playing elsewhere.

A very good player - just not under the microscope here in TO.

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22 Aug 2017 19:01:05
I would like to see Domi here as well, but there is absolutely no way I would give up Brown alone for Domi never mind the addition of Nielsen and a 2nd! ! . wow
Blu4Evr; I think that as a professional Domi would do fine here in
Toronto. all players face added pressure here.

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18 Aug 2017 04:30:07
Leafs - Bozak, Bracco and 2nd

Philly - Couturier

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18 Aug 2017 18:22:36
I read a lot of rumors on here and all I'm seeing is jvr and bozak. 1 Jvr and a first rounder couldn't even get us hamonic who is a second pairing d man . If he was going it would of been at the draft. Possibility at the deadline this year we will see. 2 Bozak . people seem to forget how much of an impact bozak was for us . Our best face off man and scoring goals . Babs relied on him heavily . The leafs have a plan we have a tremendous amount of kids up coming for d man . Resign polak who Babcock loved, or even franson . Basically my point is trading these guys right now makes 0 sense.

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19 Aug 2017 00:22:43
This is a leafs trade and rumours website.

JVR and Bozak are two talented players on expiring contracts. Just because I propose a trade doesn't insinuate that do not like or value what he has to offer.

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19 Aug 2017 00:48:12
As valuable as you feel that Bozak is to the Leafs, Couturier is even more valuable to the Flyers. They would never trade him for the proposed package. Couturier brings so many intangibles to the Flyers. Plus they already traded Schenn so trading him wouldn't be in their best interests.

Personally I would love this trade to happen, but in reality the Flyers would never go for it. They would be giving up a pivotal center that they could keep around for another decade in place of a winger and a 2nd. No guarantees that Bozak resigns or if the Flyers would be interested in signing.

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19 Aug 2017 04:50:35
I agree Ares. This is more or less as much as I'd be willing to give up for him.

The only reason I ever think he could get traded is because of Patrick coming up. Bozak would be a solid gap filler, Bracco an eventual middle six forward and one shot at the crap shoot that is the draft.

As great as a two way centre Couturier is, he still has a lot to prove offensively. Although that's hard when you're shutting down the other teams top lines. I just picture Babcock laughing with both him and Kadri. How do you match lines?

Although I think the value going both ways is fair, Couturier is likely more valuable to philly than anyone is willing to pay for him.

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19 Aug 2017 08:35:03
Dear Mathews 34

I agree no need to rush trades number one we want to see liljegren dermott and Nielsen in camp. let's see how far they are away from making NHL. This isn't the year leafs win cup next year is when leafs could finally win it all. Leafs will bring in roman polak for a look. The point is the leafs can figure many things out at camp. Can hardly wait to see them ice their team Oct 4.

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19 Aug 2017 14:54:05
Agree M34. Need to stop looking at JVR as trade bait and look at him as a rental; a 30 goal scorer who you get for a playoff run. They are rare to find and not cheap to get.

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19 Aug 2017 15:09:15
All good points Rmck and you've identified probably one of the more effective young third line centres in the game. I think what you see with Couturier is what you get; a good young two-way centre that shuts down opposing teams top lines. It would be great if the Leafs could add a player such as Couturier, however Kadri also fits that need and is paid similarly. If Toronto were to trade for Couturier, it may be counter productive to their roster and force the departure of a player like how Schenn was dealt by the Flyers. Drafting Nolan eased the pain of doing this as the Flyers added a player of similar potential, who is seven years younger, and who can play in their top six for far less money. As the Lesfs continue to trend upwards, they will be faced with some hard roster decisions. This is why young cheaper contract players like Dermott, Bracco, and Kapanen need to remain in the Leaf system.

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19 Aug 2017 23:10:04
I think Ol Spider there is on the mark .
JVR seems to be sticking around at this point . You'd think that number 4 defensemen deal would have happened already as well as possibly interest in going to free agency. He should be embraced as a rental player and just more team depth for his final season .
Teams trade their 1st rds and maybe more for a player like him at the deadline. See we could choose to keep him and still have our 1st .

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17 Aug 2017 23:01:14
No trades are going to happen but,

JvR, Carrick and 2018 1st
To Jets for
Trouba

A buddy told me about this one, read somewhere. Dunno the source, but it's not Ecklund.

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18 Aug 2017 07:24:10
Like the scalpers say. "who's buying, who's selling. ".
Maybe this is a deadline deal but removing the 1st.

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18 Aug 2017 09:04:51
No way leafs move first look what they got at 17th pick this year Liljegren next year draft stronger.

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18 Aug 2017 13:38:23
Personally I don't think the Leafs need to uograde their D right now. I would much rather see the return for JvR at deadline and acquire picks. Then use those picks and the overstocked cupboards of prospects to upgrade if they feel the need.
But, with Dermott, Nielsen, Liljegren, Rasanen, Rosen, Borgman, even Greenway one could say with time in addition to Rielly, Gardiner and Zaitsev the Leafs already have their D.
Although with Liljgren he will need a stay at home partner, Rielly nor Gardiner can play with him. He will need a Hainsey type partner. He rushes a lot and although he does have the foot speed to get back, he will need a reliable smart experienced partner.

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18 Aug 2017 16:02:44
Strongly agree with you Dbone JVR for picks might be the best option. If Toronto is to trade Bozak as well I like to see a pick coming back as well. The Leafs have seemed to address their defence through the draft for the future, moving forward imo the Leafs should continue to build through the draft maybe concentrating at center.

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18 Aug 2017 18:26:10
I agree dbone as well the defence is perfect now in what is coming 2018-19 and let's keep adding draft picks keep the cubords full bozak jvr and komarov. Don't finish this season with leafs trade them all 4 picks.

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18 Aug 2017 18:28:17
The liljegren accusation was huge that solved many headaches and he shoots right.

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20 Aug 2017 15:23:38
I have proposed a few times int he past JVR for picks for that very reason, I will some picks/ prospect ideas again.

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