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22 Oct 2017 14:47:33
Since Marner has been relegated to the 4th for a brief time, I think it’s very noticeable now, how lazy of a defender JVR is.

JVR
To Tampa for
Sustr, Katchouk and 2018 3rd Rd pick

Sustr is expendable in Tampa with Girardi there and the emergence of Dotchin.

That may be a little much to ask in return but I don’t think is that far off.

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Bozak-Marner
Leivo-Kadri-Brown
Martin-Moore-Komarov

Rielly-Hainsey
Gards-Zaitsev
Carrick-Sustr

That’s a much nicer line up with the added stability on D, Leivo being in the lineup is a good thing and if he didn’t fit on the third line than as many of you love that, Komarov Kadri Brown shut down line can be reunited.

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22 Oct 2017 05:01:12
Trade

To Leafs: OEL
To Cayotes: Marner + Dermott

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22 Oct 2017 14:33:48
Stop. This is stupid, Marner is one of the best young players in the NHL. He’s going to start next game with Kadri and Marleau, so hopefully this nonsense stops.

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20 Oct 2017 15:36:31
I know I'll get a lot of hate for this but hear me out.

To Carolina: Mitch Marner and 5th round pick

To Toronto: Noah Hanifin and 3rd round pick

To me Mitch Marner is one of my favourite hockey player but I've seen little to no improvement in his game. And when his entry level deal is up he will cost between 7-8 million. But by trading him that leaves cap room to potentially re-sign JVR because I think he'll cost between 5-6 million. So the line up will look like this. Also call up Calvin Pickard and Kasperi Kapenan and send down calle rosen.

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Van Riemsdyk-Bozak-Brown
Marleau-Kadri-Komerov
Martin-Fehr/Moore-Kapenen/Levio

Gardiner-Zaitsev
Rielly-Hainsey
Hanifin-Carrick/Borgman

Anderson
Pickard

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20 Oct 2017 17:08:40
He is 7 games into his 2nd NHL season. He will be fine.

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20 Oct 2017 20:52:55
Stop. Marner is not going anywhere. Its been 7 games.

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20 Oct 2017 21:01:50
Yea, as bad as it is seeing Marner on the fourth I knew this site would produce at least one dumb trade due to it. Marner isn’t going anywhere.

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20 Oct 2017 21:12:19
Geezusssss!
Just dumb.

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20 Oct 2017 23:45:34
I agree. Way too early to hit the panic button and besides, he still has much to learn at the NHL level. Marner is an awesome dynamic player, with tons of upside talent and he's going to fill into all of that good stuff in time.

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21 Oct 2017 15:48:24
Seven games into his second season you and you feel qualified to claim there has been no improvement? Statistically, he is only two points behind where he was last year after seven games and you think he should be traded? Your proposal is completely and utterly idiotic.

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22 Oct 2017 03:44:12
Jake Gardiner, Tyler Bozak and James Van Riemsdyk to the Wild for Matt Dumba, Nino Niederreiter and Eric Staal. Mitch Marner is going nowhere, he is untouchable. Marner needs to play with better players and Bozak and JVR are not those players. A line of Marner, Brown and Niederreiter, if the Leafs could acquire Niederreiter would be a solid 2nd line behind Matthews, Nylander and Hyman. Third line would be Kadri, Marleau and Staal which would be a good third line.

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20 Oct 2017 10:46:20
TOR: Calvin de Haan

NYI: JVR

Both expiring UFA. If they could lock up de Haan long term at a reasonable cap hit, he would be a good fit for Reilly or Gardiner as they can show off a little more of their offence.

Helps torontos D a bit more if they make the playoffs. If it doesn't turn out well and they plan on keeping JVR, they can sign him in the off season.

Also gives NYI more scoring ability to throw in with Johnny T.

Toronto may need to add as Hamonic went for a lot more but he also had years on his contract left.

Straight up 1 for 1 who are both expiring UFAs

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20 Oct 2017 00:53:33
Nylander, JVR, and a 1st to Columbus for Seth Jones and Panarin.

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20 Oct 2017 05:29:15
Why drop nylander?

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20 Oct 2017 23:15:22
Panarin is an upgrade over Nylander. And if we can land Jones for JVR and 1st, would be a steal. Leafs might need to add.

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20 Oct 2017 23:48:53
Nylander is one of the top few players currently in the league at his position, and he's not going anywhere to anyone.

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21 Oct 2017 02:57:33
For starters, Panarin is not an upgrade over Nylander. Your talking about a guy who had a great season last year playing along side Kane and between the two had great chemistry that made the duel work so well. That is also what you have with Nylander playing with Matthews and you don't mess with that. As for JVR for Jones, Jones is a dime a dozen physical defensemen who is not worth a 6'3 soft hands goal scorer and a draft pick. Plus, a trade needs to make sense to both teams for a trade like that to happen and this trade makes sense for no one.

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21 Oct 2017 16:21:16
So you want to split up the amazing chemistry of Matthews and Nylander?

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19 Oct 2017 22:29:19
Is anyone else sickened by seeing Marner on the fourth line skating 8-10 minutes with two non offensive players. One move solves it all!

Komarov
To Canes for
McKeown and 3rd

Line up isn’t really hurting right now so pick up a D prospect and a pick.

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
JVR-Bozak-Brown
Martin-Moore-Leivo

MUCH BETTER.

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20 Oct 2017 01:40:18
kadri is on a line that is supposed to play against the oppositions best players so when you take off komarov and put on marner its not a defensive line anymore.

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20 Oct 2017 10:12:18
@Dbone

I think we can get better dealing Leo out of conference. He would suit a challenging team like the Ducks, Sharks, even Nashville much better; as he has a lower cap value than others that have to go.

Marner would work fine on that line. Marner has continued to set others up who couldn't convert the tough pass. He would draw defenders away from Marleau and Kadri, And Mitch would set up Marleau nicely, about 10 times per night.

Kadri has been through all this and can help Marner through this stage of his play. Marleau is a vet and can help as well. You can't expect JVR and Bozak to help in that regard, when they don't understand the concept.

Marner will finally be playing on a line with speed, and more importantly line mates that will be there next year. We don't need to have Marner wasting a year playing with two that probably won't be here next year.

The Leafs still have 3 solid offensive lines + a 4th line that can chip in (even if you don't trade Leo; he would fit on the 4th line quite well and can move up the lines in case of injury since he can play all 3 forward positions) .


@cap clutch
Putting Marner on that line, doesn't stop Kadri from pestering the oppositions best. And it stopped being a defensive line when they put Marleau on it.

And Marner provides a much better offensive threat as well and he will also have two line mates that play well defensively for the first time and he won't be making mistakes trying to make up for their lack of effort.

That's Browns job now.

Note: you could move Komarov to Bozak's line in place of Brown and call it the Soon to Exit line. At the deadline you can then have 3 of Leivo, Sosh, Kappy, Aaltonen, Johnson and Brown fill the line. Just amazing, the depth we now have. With the exception of Leivo; all are fast, talented, and quick on the puck.

For the rest of the year you could let Moore and Fehr play out their contracts on the 4th line.

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20 Oct 2017 21:07:36
I like what you’re saying Lab16, and Marner on that line really wouldn’t hurt anything. He is tenacious and he does work hard on the defensive side of the puck, Komarov plays heavy and forechecks, that’s great. But not essential considering Kadri gets in there, Marleau is excellent at retrieving pucks, and Marner, well is Marner one of the most creative minds in the game in its infancy.

Also, Marner is being pushed down the line up not to any fault of his but a rather a whole line just underperforming.
They can’t send JVR down there, he’s a vet and being his UFA season, he’s on the block, obviously.

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17 Oct 2017 04:50:43
Leafs get

Doughty

Kings get

Jvr + kapenen + 1rd pick

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18 Oct 2017 13:53:31
Why on earth would kings do this? JVR has 1 year left, Kapanen hasn't played a full year to prove what he's worth, and the 1st will be a low pick. Not to mention trading their franchise player in his prime is bad for them.

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21 Oct 2017 03:06:20
Getting Doughty out of LA isn't a crazy idea considering he has already stated he would consider moving on once his contract ends in 2019 if the team isn't where he would like it to be. LA is showing their age up front and Toronto has enough pieces to make a deal happen but the question is at what cost. The leafs would have to move a lot of forward depth for a single defensemen that they would have a great chance at taking in free agency for nothing. I would sooner see the Leafs target another stud D-man that would cost less in a trade and sign Doughty in 2019.

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16 Oct 2017 07:10:52
It's no secret that we need to improve defensively and that we need to upgrade in that respect. But what about our forwards? I think we all know the Bozak line will never be good in in their own end. Thus far they have been out scored 6-3. Bozak and JVR are Defensive liabilities, which is no wonder bozak is being used predominantly in the offence circle.

Trade JVR and Bozak for D help and picks. We still need a strong, physical shut down guy (one that can actually skate)

Forward lines Would look like this:

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Kappinen-Marleau-Marner
Komarov-Kadri-Brown
Martin-Fehur-Leivo







Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Kapanen-Marleu

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16 Oct 2017 17:46:39
One thing I agree with is bringing kapanen up. He is a great defensive player and can skate. Think he would be good on the Martin line tho. Could give us 4 lines that have the ability to be a threat.

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16 Oct 2017 17:46:39
One thing I agree with is bringing kapanen up. He is a great defensive player and can skate. Think he would be good on the Martin line tho. Could give us 4 lines that have the ability to be a threat.

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16 Oct 2017 23:12:54
Jm1983,
I can conquer with your post about Bozak as I was echoing similar arguments in a previous post regarding Saturdays game. Anyone watching closely would have noticed how Babcock was sheltering the Bozak line from any defensive zone face offs. Personally I would prefer a second line that can play both ends which is why I think long term, Bozak and JVR will not be Leafs.

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20 Oct 2017 01:43:34
jvr and bozak are basically on the third line.

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15 Oct 2017 19:47:25
The biggest problem i see with the leafs is the D not being able to get the opposition fowards out of Freddys way causing him to not see the pucks and causing a goal. Freddy wants to see all the shots and him being screened all makes it more difficult to track the pucks.

To LEAFS: A.SUSTR(RD)

To LIGHTNING: L.KOMAROV(RW)

New leafs lineups:

HYMAN MATTHEWS NYLANDER
JVR BOZAK MARNER
MARLEAU KADRI BROWN
MARTIN MOORE KAPANEN/LEIVO

REILLY HAINSEY
GARDINER ZAITSEV
BORGMAN SUSTR

ANDERSON
CURTIS

BENFITS :

LEAFS: they can move Brown to the 3rd line as he had chemistry with Kadri and he can score better than komarov and also still provides excellent defence, gives a chance for Kapanen or Leivo to play. SUSTR is a 6'7 220 pound monster who can free up the space by bodying the opposition fowards for Freddy Anderson to track all the shots

LIGHTNING: they could use more depth wingers and Komarov is a really good choice for a good depth winger who can play defence while providing offence as well

Thoughts?

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16 Oct 2017 03:09:59
HEY Goatson, nailed it. That’d be an excellent deal for the Leafs. So far all I see is Komarov taking a spot from Brown essentially wasting Browns talent and hindering Kadri and Marleau with his lack of offensive ability. This not only makes the D better, much better. But, it also improves the forward group.

Brown is being wasted and i don’t know how Leafs management can sit and watch such a talented player play with Martin and Moore/ Fehr.

Komarov provides zero offence, sure he’s a hard forechecker and pest. Forechecking is working, and Brown works his tail off night in night out.

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16 Oct 2017 03:19:55
Makes more sense to wait until polak is healthy and sign him, Komarov is the one I think stays out of JVR&Bozak and if not you can get another asset while still filling the perceived gap.

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16 Oct 2017 04:42:48
I like the move of Komarov for Sustr. The Leafs have too many offensive minded d-men and need an equal balance of offensive and defensive d-men. I am disappointed in Marner's play and I think that Bozak and JVR are hindering Marner's performances night in and night out. I would like Marner to centre his own line with Marleau and Brown on his wings for the second line. Move Bozak down to the third line to play with Hyman and Kadri as a shutdown third line put JVR on the left wing on Matthews line with Nylander. JVR is a big body forward who should be setting up shop in front of the opposition netminder to create screens playing to his strengths while drawing defenders to him thus opening up space for Matthews and Nylander to do their thing.

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16 Oct 2017 09:38:20
Why take hyman off matthews line he goes and gets the puck then finds the open man if you want to mess with the lines sure just leave that beast of a top line intact jvr is to slow and doesn't pass all that well. he's a big body to block matthews perfect shots. I say dump jvr for whatever you can get. let leivo take his place have brown up a line komorov down a line. Leivo can snipe and can play the dirty areas jvr is a gentle giant who doesn't play to his size and bangs home the garbage, useful but not everything he's cracked up to be. 2 of his 4 goals have been luck off the draw and the lther 2 he didn't mean to score.

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16 Oct 2017 23:07:50
It's hard to say what the Leafs are thinking in regards to their pending UFAs. There was some speculation in the news indicating that JVR would accept a hometown discount to remain a Leaf. Other speculation includes Bozak and/ or Komarov possibly signing for reasonable dollars. StarLord may be right in that the Leafs may consider Komarov as the most likely player they should resign. Even if they didn't re-sign any of the above, I don't think most Leaf fans will be upset.
NylanderMagic, I'm in agreement with you on Marner deserving of better line mates; something I noticed last season as well.

Randy, your right about Hyman. I think too many people and the media are making a whole lotta nothing over this guy who continues to huddle and work hard on Matthews' line. He's also a very good cost effective forward for the Leafs moving forward as every cap dollar will count. Don't worry about Brown Dbone. All in due time.

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16 Oct 2017 23:35:48
Komarov is a wasted spot in the line up, at this point a trade for anything sending him the other way would be a positive.
If the Leafs decide out of him, JVR and Bozak that Komarov stays then they will be making a mistake, a big one.
Marner is starting the next game on the 4th line, Babs is trying to light a fire under him. There’s no way Marner should be the one being relegated here, but that’s what's happening. Without Komarov the line up with the mention trade.

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-Brown
Martin-Moore/ Fehr-Leivo

Rielly-Hainsey
Gards-Zaitsev
Borgman-Sustr
Carrick

Andersen
Mac

Does that really look like a worse roster, NO!

It would be a great deal for Toronto.

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17 Oct 2017 05:48:12
Dbone,
I think you're missing the intangibles that players like Komarov brings. He does a lot of little things right and in key moments of the game, Babcock relies on him often. I think we're so spoiled with the riches up front that we forget that some guys contribute in different ways other than offensive production. Martin is another player some have been quick to criticize because of his skill level in relation to many of the other forwards. Again, Babcock has shared how the players are no longer slapped around like they were before Martin arrived.

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17 Oct 2017 19:28:13
DBone.
Somewhere in the confusion we see as fans, is a plan that Babcock/ management is administering for the future trades of JVR and Bozak. If he moves either of those two to the 4th line it will be perceived by potential trade partners that JVR and Bozaks value is/ has been diminished and therefore less value would be offered in exchange. He has to move Marner.
This lackluster defense by this line is not new, it occurred when Kessel was there. Kessel was a defensive liability too, but they wanted to rid themselves of the acidic dressing room, the money Kessel made and hoped JVR/ Bozak would improve with Kessel gone. As it turned out, it did improve because of Marner's tenacity. This year it has reared it's ugly head again and Marner is paying the price in order to keep JVR and Bozak values high. Managerial maneuvering along with Babcock influence.

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17 Oct 2017 20:11:52
Well said fermanaghlad. Some good points.

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18 Oct 2017 18:19:29
i see what Komarov brings to the team, I jus don’t think it’s neary valuable enough to keep on this roster when there are better players who can possibly bring those intangibles and more to the team.
Babs is probably doing this maneuver with Marner being pushed down, and I absolutely agree the line isn’t defensively responsible. It’s fair, but what I can’t figure out is why not try Komarov on the fourth and Marner with Kadri and Brown on the second.
When all’s said and done, Grundstrom can replace Komarov next season and in all likelihood will, so IMO it will be Komarov going and EITHER Bozak or JVR I don’t think all three go and I don’t think it’s JVR and Bozak as a duo.
There’s better ways to tinker though, I would prefer to see

Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Bozak-Marner
JVR-Kadri-Brown
Martin-Moore-Komarov

This way JVR and Bozak are split up, which they should be. Sure they have chemistry but I think we can all agree when we say the problem on that line isn’t Marner.
The Marleau-Kadri thing hasn’t been exactly overwhelming so why no try spark another line while tinkering. Marner on the 4th is a waste of talent. Same as Brown being there.

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15 Oct 2017 02:43:01
Maple Leafs - Islanders

Maple Leafs trade Conor Carrick to the Islanders for Ryan Pulock

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15 Oct 2017 14:12:45
Leafs Jvr

Buffalo 2018 first

I'm concerned the minus states of Jvr Bozak and marner.

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15 Oct 2017 14:12:45
Leafs Jvr

Buffalo 2018 first

I'm concerned the minus states of Jvr Bozak and marner.

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15 Oct 2017 16:40:58
If they trade JVR they will do so for more than a first round pick.

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16 Oct 2017 22:53:32
The Buffalo pick may end up being another lottery pick. Can't see Buffalo making this trade just for that reason alone.

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17 Oct 2017 05:55:53
Honestly makes more sense to Buffalo than Toronto for me. JVR was drafted 2nd overall, knowing he was going to be an elite power forward with hopes that he could produce like he showed with USNTDP. To me he has done just that. JVR isn't flashy but he is a strong player and able to get those 'cheap' goals consistently. Buffalo doesn't really have a player like that (Okposo is more of a stay back and shoot player than drive + O'Rielly has gone downhill ever since coming to Buffalo) and I can believe that Buffalo's GM, Botterill, can see him excelling with the likes of Eichel.
To me JVR has proven that the use of a 2nd overall pick for him was definitely worth it (and as a side note unbelievable Philly traded him for Luke Schenn) .

^^What I'm saying is that a player like JVR is someone you can find within the top 3 picks in the draft. Even if Buffalo is low in the draft, a 1st for JVR makes sense because a player like JVR is WHAT YOU GET for a top 3 pick.
I'm just not sure the Leafs are willing to wait for the player they draft (in this scenario) to develop and become a performer on the team that is looking to excel in the next few years.

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17 Oct 2017 18:24:42
There are few really good defencemen projecting in the top ten of the draft. You never know, maybe Dalhin gets mono and drops in the rankings.

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