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23 Mar 2017 10:53:12
Leafs JVR Andreas Johnson

Ducks montour

Dbone

Defenceman have more value on market than top 6 forwards look at hall trade look at lucked schenn trade

Also I'm not moving Bozak we keep him on expiring contract

Kapanan is 20 years old he will make leafs next season heavy shot and great upside production potential

To make room Komarov and JVR have to go

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23 Mar 2017 13:57:54
Kuznetsov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KAPANEN.

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23 Mar 2017 14:33:31
D do have more value, but that doesn't mean an AHL defender who has 20 games experience is worth a top 6 LW that's in his prime years who's had four 20+ goal seasons and three 50+ point seasons and is well established for a D that may never make it, you're jus not seeing it. Guaranteed value is always better than potential value, especially when that guaranteed value has 5-6 prime years left.

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23 Mar 2017 14:50:09
David. you have lost your mind. just to let you know how ludicous your trade sounds. here's the otherside of the coin ridiculous. maybe for Shea Weber.

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23 Mar 2017 15:40:49
David

MONTOUR doesn't fix the leafs. He is a small "offensive " dman. We need a big two way or defensive big top 4 d man. Offence is our strongest, we already have three offensive d man Reilly Gardiner and carrick.

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23 Mar 2017 20:20:54
Goatson

100% correct, even if the value wasn't absurdly misjudged from Davids point, Montour is still not the solution in Toronto. Manson would be closer and probably who Leafs actually show interest in over Montour or even Theodore in all honesty.

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22 Mar 2017 15:06:49
Leafs offseason plans

Before expansion draft

To TOR: D - J. Trouba

To WNG: F - L. Komarov + D - T. Dermott + 2017 2nd round pick

Leafs Protect
JVR, Bozak, Kadri, Leivo, Brown, Rychel, Leipsic
Rielly, Gardiner, Trouba

Leafs lose Fehr or Carrick

Draft D - C. Foote in 1st round

Re-sign
C - B. Boyle
F - C. Brown
F - Z. Hyman
D - N. Zaitsev

UFA
Sign D - M. Stone 4/$18MM ($4.5MM)

New line up

JVR Bozak Marner
Rychel Matthews Nylander
Leivo Kadri Brown
Martin Boyle Hyman

Rielly Trouba
Gardiner Stone
Nielsen Zaitsev

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22 Mar 2017 16:40:31
Give it a rest with the Trouba proposals already.

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22 Mar 2017 16:59:36
Ok, if not Trouba. What other young RHD can the Leafs target? What about signing Stone has a UFA?

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22 Mar 2017 19:21:11
No stone will probably resign with Calgary.

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22 Mar 2017 21:17:28
What makes you think he'll re-sign in Calgary? They already have good depth.

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22 Mar 2017 22:35:47
Torontobuds

That's not enough for a young good top 4 RD TROUBA and leafs won't get them.

And judging by your lineups, I am confuse to where KAPANEN is? If they are not trading him then he should be in the lineups for next year when he is 21.

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23 Mar 2017 03:32:32
Calgary lacks a top 4 Right d man for Brodie and they seem to have found chemistry. It would be in their best interest to resign him.

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23 Mar 2017 05:24:25
Lose Fehr or Carrick? You mean say good bye to Carrick. Forget trading, pick a first round D and see where our young D is next year. Rielly and Carrick are 22, they will only get better with time. Rielly will break out. did I mention he's only 22? Carrick carried the marlies last year in the playoffs and he's proving he can transition smoothly. Zaitsev has only got better all season, he was the best D the KHL had. He will get much better. Gardiner has broken out offensively. If Carrick continues to develop like he has been they will be a very effective unit.

There is also no reason for Winnipeg to trade their young stud d when they hope to make the playoffs in the coming years. Trouba would be much more expensive than your offer.

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22 Mar 2017 09:43:39
Leafs JVR Johnson

Ducks montour or Mason or Theodore

I have come to my senses I think we keep Bozak

Leafs trade Komarov

Young top defence prospect

Leafs draft cal foote ranked 18 th Nicholas Hague ranked 55 th [ rankings by Craig Button]

Leafs prospects on defence would be

Neilsen
Greenway
Foote
Haugue

All giants you can set up defence for next 10 years this off season

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23 Mar 2017 15:02:34
Please. forget Montour. tooooo smaaalll! ! ! !

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22 Mar 2017 09:05:07
Button released his rankings he has

Foote at 18 Hague at 55 leafs could get both

Leafs trade JVR Johnson

Ducks Montour

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23 Mar 2017 03:39:04
You are so far off in value, it's not even close.
You're trading a top flight LW that plays in any teams top 6 and produces 20+ goals almost automatically and 50+ points.
And in addition I'm assuming it's Andreas Johnson you're talking about, a hopeful prospect who's been better in his second half with the marlies adjusting to the North American game.
You think that package is worth Montour who has 3 points in 19 NHL games, still not established or proven whatsoever, you need to give your head a shake Mackin.
You spew more spam on this site than anyone, the scary part is you think it's fair posts.
JvR for Montour
Kapanen = Kuznetsov
Gagner > Bozak

^^^^ that's not accurate.

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22 Mar 2017 01:35:19
At the draft:

To LEAFS: T.MYERS (RD)

To JETS: JVR (LW)

LEAFS: The JETS will have to expose either MYERS or TROUBA and they will keep TROUBA as he is having a good year. They won't want to lose MYERS for nothing. So we get a RD that fits our need a 6"7/8 big RD that is a legit top 4 with experience who is a year younger than JVR.

JETS: they get a top 6 winger that fits their team with size and skill. They don't lose MYERS for nothing. Also this opens up a spot for one of our rookies to fill in JVR spot (KAPANEN,RYCHEL,LEIPSIC,etc).

Thoughts?

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22 Mar 2017 09:27:52
I like it. Leafs will use JVR to get big piece even they add a little and free agency gets 1 or 2 pieces as well. Craig button has Cal foote at 18 and Nicholas Hague 55 at draft. Leafs can get both Hague is 6.5 2018 Foote 6.4 215 add those two to Neilsen and Greenway we have giants on back ent for the future.

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22 Mar 2017 13:55:57
While I like the value of the trade, and it's nice to see a Jets trade that doesn't involve Trouba for a change, I don't see how this helps WIN. They trade Myers so they can protect Trouba, but that means they just switched their dilemma from "do we protect Myers/ Trouba? " to "do we protect Trouba/ JVR? ". These so called protection trades only work if the team in question can swap out an exposure piece for an exempt asset, or for an exposure piece they don't care about protecting plus future assets.

Again, I like the direction and reasoning behind the trade, but there's bigger picture implications to consider.

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22 Mar 2017 14:27:23
Yes but when your choices are protecting any 8 guys VS protecting 7 forwards and 3 D, protecting 10 players makes more sense. If WIN has too many D to protect then they trade a D for a forward to fix the numbers crunch and protect the max amount of players especially if they have a free forward spot to fill.

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22 Mar 2017 14:47:32
With Myers recent injury issues, I would think they would need to add a draft pick to this, maybe a 3rd.

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22 Mar 2017 16:12:10
Sousman, who is the 5th and 6th forward that the Jets just have to protect? Is it Joel Armia? Adam Lowry? Shawn Matthias (giggling a little. )? WIN is better positioned moving forward going 8/ 1 in protection. Trading a top 4 D to protect some middle/ bottom six forwards isn't hugely beneficial, even if they added JVR.

If WIN is concerned about losing that 5th forward exposed from going 8/ 1 in protection, they can deal with Vegas directly by offering a pick/ prospect package in return for protection guarantees.

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19 Mar 2017 15:30:42
Hurdemz

Boyle is forth line centre I say we trade Bozak get younger Gagner who is better on face offs and more production

Leafs trade Bozak Komarov

To Dallas first round 2017

Kapanan will make leafs at camp replace Komarov with a similar hard hitting player with more finish maybe Rychel can be that player I say maybe

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19 Mar 2017 17:42:00
Dallas won't do that. Their pick is top 10 and they don't have a strong system. No way they trade their pick. Leafs are fine, they can draft Foote with the pick.

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19 Mar 2017 21:50:14
Are you kidding? Bozak has more points then him and better at face offs.

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19 Mar 2017 22:58:08
Hahaha Gagner > Bozak, give me a break Bozak is one of the best in the game at faceoffs. Gagner is not coming to Toronto, I don't know where this comes from. They're going to have Matthews, Kadri, Boyle and Gauthier playing centre next year. Whatever they add in FA will be minor outside of a possible upgrade at D where the likes of Alzner looks interesting.

There are a lot of good D in this years draft also, so unless the Leafs brass see their window as only being the next 2 years, which they don't, then they likely stay pat and continue with their non consequential moves, with low risk high reward. Perfect examples: Zaitsev and Soshnikov, and more recently Aaltonen. Even the trade they made they didn't give up anything but a 2nd which they had 3 of.

They won't be able to sign both JvR and Bozak back, but I think they can afford one, still keeping in mind the future salaries of Matthews, Marner and Nylander. I think they go that route and keep one of the two. They wanted to upgrade C at the deadline, they aren't going to trade Bozak not knowing if Gauthier is ready or not for sure, so Bozak will start next season with the Leafs in my POV.

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20 Mar 2017 01:04:21
Leafs keep Bozak and trade JVR and David we are NOT trading all our experienced players.

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20 Mar 2017 15:20:00
Although I think Bozak will eventually get traded at next years trade deadline, that is only if they feel Matthews is ready and able to handle faceoff's better and if they fill the void for a 2nd/ 3rd line Centre.

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23 Mar 2017 15:12:07
Sadly though David. not many people here on this site seem to value what you think.

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19 Mar 2017 09:08:27
Leafs trade Bozak and Komarov

First round pick 2017

Leafs sign Sam Gagner free agency don't overpay 5 yrs 3.5 million

That should be enough it's a bit risky for leafs but high reward if it works

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19 Mar 2017 09:36:23
Your switch Bozak out Gagner in so your basically getting a first rounder for komorav use it to draft second defenceman in first round or make move at draft table so you can draft centre Glass and dman foote.

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19 Mar 2017 15:09:30
You trade 2 guys away for a first, which both of these guys can get a high first. Buy your logic is signing Sam gagner so that makes up for it? I don't understand you. U wanna keep a team full of rookies with no veterans to guide them. Go play NHL 17. I'm sick of looking at your avatar now.

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19 Mar 2017 15:16:11
Hurdemz

Gagner is 27 a younger better Bozak

Question you have Kapanan Leipsic rychel Aaltonen

Why hold onto Bozak JVR and Komarov

Go to free agency and get better pieces that help the young core

We have too many bodies we need to ship out older players that have value.

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20 Mar 2017 14:46:08
I'm having a really tough time trying to understand why you think Sam gagner is better than Tyler bozak. You really don't understand what is best for this team.

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21 Mar 2017 04:02:56
David this is ridiculous. Even if you think Gagner is better than Bozak, why give Bozak away for free? Makes zero sense.

Bozak is more important to this team than people lead on. We aren't selling any more, that was made clear when both Hunwick and Polak got past the deadline. Bozak is essential to this teams success right now and likely next year. If he gets traded I bet it's next years trade deadline. I wouldn't doubt they resign him to a team friendly deal.

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21 Mar 2017 17:15:44
Gagner is younger, but not better than Bozak. Bozak is great on faceoff's and has performed consistently better over the years.

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19 Mar 2017 07:54:12
Let's crystal ball leafs next sept

Leafs trade JVR Bozak komorav

Defence help and prospects

The defence they will fix but god knows the direction they will go

Let's look forwards next year

Kapanan could be major surprise as good as Washington Evgeny Kuznetsov. Who was drafted 26 th overall in 2010

Hyman Matthews brown
Kapanan kadri leivo
Nylander need center marner
Martin gauthier soshnikov Aaltonen Leipsic

Thoughts

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19 Mar 2017 08:18:46
Actually your battle for 4 th line would include Rychel leafs dip into free agency for third line centre a skilled heavy bastard maybe Sam. Gagner.

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19 Mar 2017 14:21:29
Thoughts are, you are going to be disappointed if you think Kapanen is going to be that good. They're also totally different players and play different postitions, so I'm not seeing the comparison here. They also jus moved Boyle and his family there, they are going to sign him and keep him in Toronto.

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19 Mar 2017 15:20:00
Dbone

You get a big I told you so soon on Kapanan

Leafs will have big 4 Matthews marner nylander and Kapanan.

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20 Mar 2017 21:45:57
David

If KAPANEN was as good as you said he was . He would be in the NHL already.

Stop comparing him to superstars.

And comparing players by how they were drafted is completely false. T. Biggs was drafted near the same spot as Kap and look at him now a bust. Datsyuk was drafted in the 6th round and he has become 100 times the player KAPANEN will ever be.

Last year he had 9 games played in the NHL and got 0 points. Not even close to Marner or Matthews level.

He isn't untouchable and not even close to Kuznetsov.

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21 Mar 2017 03:45:03
David Mackin

I can see how the guy who thinks Gagner is better than Bozak could also think Kasperi Kapanen has the potential to be at the level of Kuznetsov.
IMO the only way Kapanen even has a chance at cracking the top 6 on this team is if he plays LW.
I think most everybody is pretty with Marner, Nylander and Brown down the right side for the foreseeable future.
Our big 4th should hopefully be a D.

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18 Mar 2017 19:51:01
To LEAFS: J.MANSON (RD) + M.JONES (LW) + K.BIEKSA (RD) + 2017 1st round pick

To DUCKS: JVR (LW)

Thoughts?

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18 Mar 2017 22:06:21
Way to much for JVR. I know they are doing Anaheim a favour by taking Bieksa but might as well buy out Bieksa if that's the asking price. I've heard you guys the favour is worth max jones but that is just ridiculous.

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18 Mar 2017 22:29:29
Fair enough, I originally had 2nd instead of Jones but others (you know who you are) were asking Jones for taking BIEKSA.

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18 Mar 2017 19:47:34
To LEAFS: J.BRODIN (LD)

To WILD: K.KAPANEN (RW) + R.VALIEV (LD) + 2018 2nd round pick

Leafs already have so many talent on RW and need another young top 4 d man who is LD but he can play on the opposite hand or until leafs trade GARDINER and he can fill that spot.

Wild will lose Brodin to expansion draft and it's better to trade him and atleast get something back.

New lineup:

REILLY ZAITSEV
GARDINER BRODIN
NEILSON CARRICK

Thoughts?

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20 Mar 2017 13:33:35
If the Wild are going to lose him. just give them Valiev.

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