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19 Oct 2018 06:56:46
Leafs trade Nylander
Vegas trades Glass, Hague, Holden

Very similar to the Brayden Schenn deal. This trade is very much about the future and dumping salary for long term cap and asset management.

Substituting all futures in their respective places

2019/ 2020 lineups

(Marleau) / Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Glass/ (Leivo)

Reilly/ Holden
Dermott/ Zaitsev
Hague/ Liljegren
(Sandin/ Rasanen)

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18 Oct 2018 23:59:32
Let's try something different

Leafs sign nylander 4.5x3

Then

Tor: brown Johnson brocco 1st

Car: pesce gauthier

New lines

Kapanen Mathews nylander
Hyman Tavares marner
Marleau kadri lindholm
J. Gauthier F.gauthier leivo

Reilly pecse
Hainsey zaitzev
Dermott gardiner
Oz

Idk if the trade value matches up but would be nice lineup

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18 Oct 2018 18:24:50
To Carolina:
Nylander, Durzi, Marincin, 2019 4th
To Leafs:
Pesce, Foegele

To NYI:
Zaitsev, 2019 1st, Timashov, Korshkov
To Leafs:
Pulock, maybe a late pick or prospect

To Columbus:
Gardiner (must sign extension), Brown, conditional 2020 1st (Panarin re-signs, if not it's a 2020 2nd and 2021 3rd), Gauthier
To Leafs:
Panarin (no extension needed)

Again the only reason Panarin would re-sign is if he is ok with a sign and trade for picks/prospects.
The leafs give him the money he wants and he gets to play with the team he wants to, or he could test FA, up to him.

Lines
Marleau/Matthews/Panarin
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Foegele/Kadri/Kapanen
Johnsson/Lindholm/Leivo
*Ennis
Rielly/Pulock
Dermott/Pesce
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Lines next year:
Foegele/Matthews/Kapanen
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Johnsson/Kadri/FA
Grundström/Lindholm/Leivo or Bracco (if he is ready, then we sign and trade Leivo or play him with Kadri if he improves a lot)
*Moore
Rielly/Pulock
Dermott/Pesce
Borgman, Sandin, Rosen, FA/Liljgren
*Holl
We could also trade Pulock and bump up Liljgren and Holl next year beacuse Pulock is on a two year contract

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18 Oct 2018 18:38:32
I forgot about Marleau in next year Lines so 1st, 2nd and 4th line stay the same, but:
Marleau/ Kadri/ Johnsson
That’s the third line, no FA needed.

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18 Oct 2018 19:38:05
Ok. What are you seeing in Foegele that i'm not? To be honest, I’ve never seen him play, so relying entirely on stats and online scouting/ analyst reports. He’s a big kid, plays a decent game, off to a good start (Carolina looks good so far), but he’s doesn’t have a lot of experience, and would probably be a depth player on Leafs unless he really breaks out.

Am I missing something?

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18 Oct 2018 21:05:10
I mean he has 5 points in 7 games so far and the leafs need some more big kids, but your right I think I may be giving up a bit too much for him, I just think that if the leafs were to trade Nylnader to Carolina, he would probably be the guy who leafs get back other then Pesce

Let’s say this instead:
To Carolina:
Nylander, Marincin, 4th
To Leafs:
Pesce, Foegele
That seems a bit more fair right?
Well at least from a leafs fan perspective it does.

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18 Oct 2018 23:15:13
I’m not saying it was a bad trade. I was just wondering what you saw in him to a) trade for him to begin with, and b) to put him on the top line.

You never know. He’s got 5 goals and 8 points in 9 NHL games played. He could be a real sleeper that turns out well. Wouldn’t be the first time a 3rd rounder turned out to be a real stud. I like his size. You’re right about that.

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18 Oct 2018 18:06:48
Leafs trade Kadri, Nylander
Florida trades Barkov, Pysyk, 1st

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Lindholm/ Barkov/ Brown
Johnsson/ Gauthier/ Leivo

Rielly/ Pysyk
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rasanen)

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18 Oct 2018 19:39:05
As a leaf fan this would be dreamland, but absolutely no way they trade Barkov. he's their best player, and have seen some rating him as a top10 centre in tr NHL. Teo wat skills are similar to Bergeron, and has been put in a valur class similar to Matthews. Floridaeasily declines, probably even if it was just Kadri/ Nylander for Barkov.

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18 Oct 2018 20:11:33
Interesting

Well u know me. Nylander signs long term for $7m. Together $11.5 for he and Kadri. $8.6 coming back. So $3m savings. Barkov good for 4 years and big body who can score. Pysyk good for 2 years and defensive so like that. Love the 1st rounder. If they went for I'd be all over it.

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18 Oct 2018 21:19:19
@topshelfslappers

I don’t see Florida trading their Captain any time soon either Would love to have Barkov, and he’s got a good contract. But feel he would be underutilized on our third line.

@jodes

I actually had you in mind when I posted this. Lol. It was as much about dumping salary as bringing in a couple good players. Pysyk would be plug until Liljegren is ready. Barkov would be a good cheap replacement for Kadri.

Too bad Florida wouldn’t make this trade.

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18 Oct 2018 21:53:12
Yeah I kind of figured lol.

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18 Oct 2018 15:56:19
Columbus Trades
Panarin
Sedlak
3rd Round Pick 2020*

Toronto Trades
Hyman
FGauthier
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020**
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional only if Panarin doesn't resign with the Leafs.

**Conditional only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

Thoughts?

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18 Oct 2018 17:30:39
Columbus wants ready now players for Panarin, not futures.

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18 Oct 2018 18:05:23
Love to have Panarin.

On the other side I think right now Hyman is a cheap, very useful piece. I have been looking at the future and I also think they keep draft choices based on what's coming salary cap wise

If they can get Panarin in for some pieces they likely will get rid of anyway (ie Gardiner) I would be all for it for run at the cup.

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18 Oct 2018 03:34:56
Just spit ballin here

Tor: nylander brocco sandin

Car: pesce gauthier mckowen

Leafs get their rhd and two more prospects I think gauthier could be an effective human like player with size and mckowen is another rhd and is a good player idk if he's better then sandin or not

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18 Oct 2018 04:55:31
I don't see the point in trading Sandin. In the preseason games I thought he looked unbelievable. He looks very proready, I give it two years until he's ready to make the team. Plays a very similar style to Dermott.

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18 Oct 2018 06:00:50
I like all these guys you’ve suggested, but I think MarsBars is correct: keep Sandin and take out McKeown. Pesce and Gauthier for Nylander and Bracco, maybe slightly tweaked, works good for me. We increase size, and get a highly rated prospect player, and get our 1RHD, while lowering cap hit too.

I think you came up with a good one here Leafs1994. It’s a good trade showing astute cap and asset management by trading from an area of strength to address an area of weakness.

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18 Oct 2018 21:20:24
Yea I thought about that too could just take those two out maybe Carolina adds a pick.

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19 Oct 2018 07:10:12
I think rathervthan car adding a pick lower the quality of our peospect i say timashoc instead of beacco.

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18 Oct 2018 03:07:48
Flames - Maple Leafs Trade Proposal

Maple Leafs trade William Nylander and Rasmus Sandin to the Flames in exchange for Matthew Tkachuk and Jussi Valipaki

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18 Oct 2018 06:06:00
@nylandermagic

It’s close, but I’m going to say Flames pass.

Tkatchuk is a heavy hitter and natural goal scorer. He brings a more physical game than Nylander and can put the puck in the net.

The defensive prospects are harder to judge. Valimaki is larger and more NHL ready, which may be reason alone Calgary doesn’t make the defensive swap. They don’t want to wait for Sandin to develop.

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18 Oct 2018 01:48:50
Right now the leafs have roughly 13 million in cap space. If they can get rid of Gardiner and Hortons contract we will be good. We don't need to make any trades this year but these trades should definitely happen this summer coming up.

Leafs
Gardiner
Horton
2019 2nd
2020 3rd

Arizona
5th

Leafs
Nylander
Durzi
Sandin
Timashov
2019 1st
2021 4th

Oilers
Klefbom
Nurse
2019 2nd
Leafs
Zaitsev

Any team
3rd

Lines
Marleau Matthews Kap
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson/ Lindholm Kadri Brown
Johnson/ Lindholm Gauthier Ennis

Riley Klefbom
Nurse Hainsey
Dermott Lillegreen

Andersen
Sparks

Leafs free up 13 million in space
Leafs get roughly 7.3 million in cap

13 - 7= 6
They will free up roughly 6 million dollars witch will put them around 19 million in cap space while improving there defence. If the cap continues to go up and Marner and Matthews take about a million less, then they will have about 1-2 million to sign there other players. If it isn't enough then you can trade Marleau for a pick then go out and sign a better and more cheap player to play with Matthews.

Problem solved

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18 Oct 2018 06:16:41
The first trade is unnecessary because Leafs don’t need to dump Horton’s salary and Arizona won’t be taking on any more bad contracts just to meet cap floor. You would be giving up too much for a cap dump here anyway.

The second trade looks more reasonable, but Oilers definitely say no to losing an entire line of defense for Nylander + picks/ prospects. Klefbom kinda sucks imo anyway.

The third trade would never happen. I personally think Zaitsev is worth more than a third. For comparison, Oleksiak, who is nowhere as good as Zaitsev, got traded for a third.

I like the players you’ve suggested here, and your lineups are good. I think it’s a big step in the right direction.

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18 Oct 2018 01:09:25
On a lighter note .....

Cap Dump Trade

Maple Leafs acquire Andrew Shaw from the Canadiens in exchange for Frederik "The Gaut" Gauthier.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

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17 Oct 2018 23:04:08
OK looking out 5 years. Would love input

This year:

Nylander bridged at $5m 4 years
Pesce brought in
Gardiner traded

2019-20

Marner signed for $8m at whatever years this gets
Matthews $12m 8 years
Johnnson proves self: signs for $2.5m
Kapanen drops back down: signs for $3m
Leivo makes it and resigns for $1.5m
Kadri traded
Kadri replacement for $2.5m
Lindholm stays: gets short term $1.5m
Grundstrom arrives
Marleau gone
Liljegren arrives
Ozzy proves self. Gets $2.5m

2020-21

Leivo secures longer term at $2.5m
Gautier good on 4th line. $1m contract
Dermott raise to $3.5
Sandin arrives
Rasanen arrives

2021-22

Hyman traded due to cap
New Hyman earns $2.5
Grundstrom raise to $3m
Liljegren to $3.5m
Andersen raise to $7m
Durzi arrives

2022-23

Nylander traded
New Nylander at $5m
Sandin raise to $3m
Rasanen raise to $3m
Ozzy traded.

2023-24

Kapanen raise to $4.5
Suzi raise to $3m



2023-24 leafs

Tavares - Marner - new Hyman
Johnnson - Matthews - new Nylander
Leivo - new Kadri - Kapanen
Grundstrom - lindholm - Gautier

Dermott - Pesce
Sandin - Liljegren
Durzi - rasanen
Unknown seventh

Andersen
Backup

Cap at roughly $97m. Keep cushion of $5m. This team would have an extra $3m beyond the $5m to play with. Based on numbers I gave. This is not going to be easy.

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18 Oct 2018 00:18:07
Unlikely that Leivo, Lindholm, Gauthier, Kapanen will still even be on this team. Doubt Hyman goes tbh, Leafs will do all in power to keep him, one of those dmen [Liljegren, Sandin, Durzi, Rasanen] is bound to fail, maybe even two. Doubt Freddy stays as starter for another five years. There will be a ton more players brought in, the only guys for sure who'll be on the 2023/ 24 Leafs, imo, are Tavares, Matthews and Marner. That's it. We can't judge five years into the future, we can't simply be estimating then cause that's plain preposterous. We think for the 'now', and for one-two years down the road, cause that's all we can predict. None of the guys suggested, aside from maybe Liljegren will actually stay. We just have to let it play out.

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18 Oct 2018 00:25:52
I love how the replacements are called “new Hyman”, “new Nylander”, etc. I think it looks reasonable for the most part.

2019/ 2020

Johnsson has a lot to prove before the end of the year after such a slow start. How do you plan on dumping Marleau? I’ve racked my brain and can’t figure out a way to get out of that contract.

What happened to Rielly and Zaitsev? Lol.

I think you’re right to be trading Kadri. We get a good return. Probably at least a 1st and an adequate replacement. We should do it now while he’s at maximum value. Same rational applies to Rielly.

It’s hard to predict what Liljegren, Sandin, Durzi will get until we see them play, but those numbers seem a bit light. Under $4M for those guys in 2-3 years time just seems low to me for some reason.

I love it. We keep the core together and trade out aging and expensive UFA’s for cheaper, younger replacements and futures. It’s exactly what should be happening. Dubas isn’t married to any of these guys.

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18 Oct 2018 00:41:51
Forgot to say Reilly traded the year before his current contract ends.

Shocking how hard this will be to manage. But they end up losing Nylander and Kadri up front and virtually the entire current defence. I'm sure I missed a name here or there but the final team is pretty much what I indicated there if the numbers held true.

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18 Oct 2018 00:42:43
Missed trading Zaitsev as well.

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18 Oct 2018 00:59:43
And wheres rielly?

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18 Oct 2018 01:38:24
Top shelf slappers

I hardly think it's preposterous to go 5 years out. If the GM and his people have any brains at all they will go out long term and try to project where things will be. I wonder how some other teams got in trouble with the salary cap. And I am sure that some / many of these players will not play out.

The point I was trying to make is that with the team I show at the end they are under the cap but not by much if they have a cushion. If every single young defence man played out they will still be close to cap. Planning has to start now.

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18 Oct 2018 01:45:06
Leafs GM

As far as Marleau goes, sure they can keep him. But for each decision like that, someone else is lost. I have seen others here say "they know what they ate doing better than someone like me". But I can add so he has to go. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep a 40 Year old at the expense of younger players

I'm guessing robidas or San Jose. So zero return. If he doesn't agree than so be it

In my summary I was looking at a list and simply missed Reilly and Zaitsev. Reilly goes the year before his contract is up. I believe Zaitsev 2 years after the current season

I am sure some salaries were off too. I purposely went low knowing others would say they have to be higher. But as said, numbers don't work then. So others will have to go

I guess I was trying to show that of the current team, don't expect it to stay together for very long. Going to be very interesting to watch how its done.

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18 Oct 2018 04:48:27
I think they can keep most of the current team together. Look at Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh. They’ve all managed to keep their core for well over a decade. A few of the fringe players will have to go (Brown, Leivo, etc), and a few tough decisions will have to be made: Marleau, Kadri, Rielly, but for the most part, we will keep the core together.

You’re suggesting exactly the same line of thought that I believe Leafs will pursue. Trading out UFA’s for futures, while keeping the back end fluid and low cost so we can support our high prices forward group. A similar strategy that Pittsburgh, Chicago, Boston, have all pursued and still remained competitive.

You’ve been in this site a long time and post a lot of roster suggestions based around finances. We both know that not everyone will agree with what you have to say, but you make a lot of sense. Sure, no one has a crystal ball, and predicting what will happen five years in advance is difficult, but that’s why we are on here to begin with. Five years isn’t a very long time, and you can be sure that the lineups and changes you’ve suggested are reasonably accurate. Only looking out 1-3 years is very short sighted in my opinion. The only GM’s doing that are the ones at risk of losing their jobs and are in “win now” mode. You can be damn sure Dubas is looking at least five years out, of not more. He’s probably got a mock roster with salaries for each position for the next 7-8 years.

I always like your posts Jodes because of how logical they are. Hockey is a business, a very big business. And a team has to be run as one.

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18 Oct 2018 05:40:42
Leafs GM

Thanks for the input. I am well aware that not all will agree lol but I love to post and see the reactions. I quite enjoy the thoughts that come out.

Unfortunately I do not know all the players u seem to and name in trades. I'm pretty much a one for one guy and others can add the picks / prospects, etc

The defence part in particular I had fun with on this post. With all the changes and increases in cap, they would have to have a very young / cheap defence to make it work still. When I started to build a 5 Year look I had no idea where it would end up. I had to keep adding and removing players based on salary as they just won't work. And yes I did indeed go a little low on some of the young defence men numbers. To prove a point more than anything.

Always gun to read your thoughts. Keep it up. And for those of u throwing out complaints about others I urge you: don't read it stay silent.

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18 Oct 2018 06:22:22
I agree with you Jodes: it’s always fun to play around with the roster and numbers and post things just to get a reaction from others. Good or bad, I post anything that even is somewhat based in reality, even when I know I’m going to get heat. Somebody usually says something that you can keep in mind for later.

You got to keep trying and have a thick skin and have fun. That’s why we all joined. Keep up the good work. We need more guys like you on this site to encourage others. We only have a small community of regular contributors right now. A few more wouldn’t hurt. It’s guys like you who keep this site going.

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18 Oct 2018 18:15:40
Actually one more thought RE salaries

In looking only at defence, I recommend anyone go look at top 10 teams. See what they pay top 2, second 2 and third pair. Adjust a bit for nhl cap inflation and u get a pretty good idea how the good teams manage the cap. For example, right now, a lot of third pairings are in the $1m per player range. So down the road, I fully expect at least 2 of the young ones I mentioned to not make it or be traded if they do as too expensive.

If u did indeed have Pesce and Dermott on top pair down recross and let's say sandin makes it to play will Liljegren, we need third pairing guys at lower cap hit to manage

Funny how no-one mentioned I traded all those guys but only Pesce came back. I figured there would be questions.

Answer is that they all go for futures. If u want something more for a given Year, go free agent route.

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