Leafs Trade Rumors

13 Apr 2024 01:43:23
Starting to look like Vegas will not have the cap space to resign Chandler Stephenson after signing Hanifin.
He would be a great 3rd line center for the Leafs next season depending on price and term, of course.
Henrique, Monahan and Bujgstad would also be good options.
Neither Kampf nor Holmberg is suited for the 3rd line center position.

I would like to see Leafs sign Matt Roy to play RHD with Morgan Reilly next season.
I would also like to see Leafs offer Rogers plus a prospect to San Jose for Ferraro.

Reilly ($7.5) - Roy ($5.5)
Ferraro ($3.25) - McCabe ($2)
Benoit ($1.35) - Liljegren ($?)
Timmins ($1.1)

13 Apr 2024 02:09:16
I like Kampf at 3C. I don't think you can spend more than what Kampf makes unless you plan on walking away from Mitchy either.

I like those D pairings though. Roy should be high on the list for Tree. I have a sneaking suspicion Tanev and Zadorov will be Leafs on July 1 though.

13 Apr 2024 04:29:07
@LL I think you're right about Tanev, hopefully $4M tops ($3.5M would be ideal) . I hope you're not right about Zadorov, he's too expensive for what he brings.
Leafs can upgrade on 3C if they only re-sign Domi, no need to trade Marner. I do like Stephenson, but he might cost $5.5M+ IMO.

13 Apr 2024 13:30:39
I like Stephenson as a 200 ft player. But why would a guy who is used tom playing 18-19 mins a night come to the Leafs where he knows he is only going to get 15 mins a night as a 3C? Add to that, as others mentioned, he's 29 and will be looking for a good payday.

13 Apr 2024 16:21:47
I'm thinking they can use Stephenson as 2C and moving Tavares down to 3C. Lines would work well for next year, but no room to re-sign Bertuzzi in this scenario.

Knies-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Stephenson-Nylander
Cowan-Tavares-Marner
Holmberg-Dewar-Reaves
Tverberg

Something like this, even works with Lindholm.

Leafs trade Kampf, Jarnkrok & Robertson for cap purposes and hooefully pick up some picks for the draft.

13 Apr 2024 18:30:08
I like Stephenson as a target and I agree with tags either move Tavares down or move him to a wing.

13 Apr 2024 21:08:34
@Tags I like Zadorov well enough, but I agree, he's a bottom pairing guy that gets way too much hype.

Tanev would be a great pickup, but I also don't think term is a good idea. Maybe 2-3 years at most. More than that is just way too risky.

14 Apr 2024 05:49:10
LeafsLife.

I don’t understand the desire to make Kampf a 3rd line center when he isn’t even a great 4th line center.
He has next to zero offensive capability and has not shown well in the past when given time at 3C.
I would prefer to see Kampf traded, Dewar given the 4C position and Leafs use the money to get an impact third line center.

14 Apr 2024 13:25:37
The pervious two seasons Kampf was 8th and 9th respectively in even strength scoring amongst forwards. That is top 9 production on the Leafs even though his zone starts are massively defensive zone weighted and he typically plays with guys who don't have a lot of offence to offer. That is actually very good production under the role he plays. No different than if Nylander played 4th line with defensive players and mostly D-zone draws, I doubt he puts up 90+ points.

15 Apr 2024 16:48:59
Why would any coach put Nylander on 4th L? Such a statement offers zero value to the reader.

It’s a nonsensical statement and posted in an attempt to make support for Kampf’s production!

It might baffle some.

Kampf is a good 4C. I do like him in that role and I’m happy to have him on our team though he’s a bit overpaid.

Kampf was in those scoring positions NOT because of his scoring skill BUT because he played MANY more games than others below him!

In 22/ 23 Engvall had 6 fewer points than Kampf but played 24 fewer games.

Kampf was ahead of the likes of Simmonds, Ritchie, Clifford, Blackwell and a number of Marlie callups like Steeves, McMann, Abruzzese and Robertson.

15 Apr 2024 19:49:05
I take it this was for me Rsears. sigh.

No one said to put Nylander on the 4th line. What are you talking about now. lol
The point was that even someone as talented as Nylander would have trouble scoring or putting up points if he played the role Kampf does. Not that hard to understand really. My guess is everyone else got the analogy. Analogies are commonly used in supporting an stance.

You do realize even if you project Engvall's production over 82 games it's only 3 pts more than Kampf and that included PP points. Remove the PP production and he had less than Kampf at even stength. Kerfoot who played lots in the top 6 only had 5 more pts and 3 of those came on the PP.

I notice you left out that Kampf had better point production than ZAR and Acciari as well. How come?

Again with the insults on a post I made that was not in response to you, but I'm the one who insults and can't stand being challenged. lol

Do you feel better? Did you get out all your anger and frustration toward me?

Maybe time for a timeout and you will feel better. lol.

15 Apr 2024 22:19:54
Not yet!

It was your hypothesis that placed Nylander on L4.

No one else would put forth such a statement.

And how many games did Acciari play with the Leafs?

What position in scoring does Kampf hold this year? Tied for 12th!

It’s your distortion of facts that is outrageous.

As for Kampf, I quite like him. He and Holmberg are competing for L3 but that doesn’t make him a3C.

And yes I will take a breath as I did last time.

That will continue until you feel offended yet again.

Over to you!

16 Apr 2024 12:50:30
So this time I distort facts to the outrageous and I get offended often. Just because you make offensive remarks doesn't mean I am offended. Attacking someone personally is just a really weak debate tactic in order to try and discredit their argument. It doesn't add any value to your argument and says more about you than me.

As for the Nylander analogy. So you're saying no one talks about how many more points/ goals a 3rd liner, like say Robertson might get if he played with Matthews and Marner. It only works one way and no one uses it in the opposite? Many of us have used the same type of analogy I did with Nylander. It is no different than saying if Nylander played on a San Jose for instance he wouldn't likely put up the same points. Your fishing to try and discredit again, That's all.

Project Acciari's points for a season and it's less than Kampf's. We project for seasons all the time. It's done often, even by hockey analysts. How come when I do it and it's a distortion of facts. Which you keep saying, but have yet to show how I've distorted anything. Just because you accuse it, doesn't make it true.

I have already stated before that this season Kampf's points are down. I also never said he would produce something like a 50-60 point season if he was 3C, so if that is what you are inferring I mean, then that would be on you. It's probably like 30-40 points and being very solid defensively. I'd be good with that as a 3C for $2.4M. You don't like him as 3C, that's fine.

11 Apr 2024 13:13:09
What do you guys think it would take to get Jake Middleton? $2.45M for another season. I know he is an LD, but if the Leafs could get him and sign Roy, the top 4 is Rielly-Roy and Middleton-McCabe with Benoit-Timmins as the currently signed 3rd pair. Looks pretty solid enough. You could go cheaper and put Rielly and McCabe together and sign a guy like Carrier to play with Middleton.

Problem is that from what I can tell, Minny is still looking to compete now.

Would this work?

Minny
Liljegen RFA
Robertson RFA

Tor
Middleton $2.45M

Not sure if it works for Minny, as they have most of their team re-signed for next season. But it would allow them to move Johansson down to the 3rd line and try Robertson with Ek and Boldy, Liljegren would slot into 3RD and they get a little younger on the overall.

11 Apr 2024 17:31:13
RLF if you think Middleton can play 2LD, then I'm in. I would, however, like to get a mid pick back if possible (we are giving Minny to young cost controlled RFA's) .
I like targeting Roy as well, he is high on my UFA list.

11 Apr 2024 21:39:21
Looks good to me. I like Middleton well enough as well.

McCabe looks good on his offside right now, but is that something we want to commit to going forward? Depends on what's available I guess.

12 Apr 2024 05:30:27
What really hurts is that Dubas could have had Middleton from San Jose for a 2nd plus a prospect but instead choice to trade for Giordano (2 - 2nds & 3rd) when he could have signed Giordano in the summer for nothing.
Another one of Dubas’ multitude of blunders.
Instead Minnesota sent San Jose a 2nd plus Kahkonen for Jake Middleton.

13 Apr 2024 00:07:18
Not a good 3rd pair.

10 Apr 2024 16:31:16
Leafs trade Jarnknok Kampf

Arizona 2 Rd rounder 2024


Goat2.0

I don't know why everyone including you self thinks Robertson. Should be traded and has no value.

So far Leafs have not extended Domi and Bertuzzi. I'm not sure they are returning Bertuzzi has had a great last 30 games but what will teams pay him on a longer deal on the open market.

Domi seems fair value around $3 million.

It's clear next season these players are getting bigger role with leafs

Knies
Mcmann
Robertson
Holmberg
Quillan

Plus they will enter free agency and get more skill than Domi and Bertuzzi. Again not sure the future of Bertuzzi Domi Jarnknok and Kampf


Once Robertson is settled on a line he can score 30 to 40 goals if he has Marner as a line mate. His salary next season will be 2 Million on a multi year deal.

Why would Leaf's want to trade that kind of scorer who makes 2 million dollars.

Robertson isn't going anywhere

10 Apr 2024 18:38:52
I think Robertson to a rebuilding team might be attractive I honestly think it’s best for both parties if they split ways… to me he’s just too one dimensional if he didn’t have a shot he would be an ahl player and the fact is guys like holmberg knies mcmann can do other things other than score I mean Robertson you claim to be a 30-40 goal guy so if that’s the case so can mcmann and knies so why do we need 3 of them when we have weaknesses elsewhere.

10 Apr 2024 22:12:27
Nah, Robertson is bad, he needs a new team and leafs need a new coach.

11 Apr 2024 03:05:44
Surprised you mention Quillan without mentioning Minten who actually made the team out of training camp last summer?
I would imagine Quillan is headed for the Marlies.

If the Leafs are going to run Nylander on the 3rd line next season they need a suitable center for him if they are going to pay him $11.5 million.
Minten and Quillan do not cut it as 3rd line centers, at least not yet.
Henrique or Monahan would be suitable centers for Nylander and Knies!

If Leafs sign both Bertuzzi and Domi it is difficult to see where Robertson will fit on the roster.
Perhaps a trade of Robertson+ a prospect to San Jose for Ferraro to upgrade our defense would be a better idea.

11 Apr 2024 09:50:27
Robertson won't be on the playoff roster, why will he be given a bigger role then next season? Simply because of his lower salary. If he can be flipped for defensive help, I think it makes alot of sense. Especially with the way McMann has been playing.

09 Apr 2024 16:15:15
A proposal if Samsonov is resigned.

Detroit Trades
Seider
3rd Round Pick 2025

Toronto Trades
NRobertson
DeWar
Liljegren
Woll
1st Round Pick 2026


Leafs focus on getting a Top 2 younger Defenceman get's them that in a big way, yes it's a lot to give up but worth the price imo.

Red Wings in that still rebuilding mode and yes trading Seider would be something they wouldn't normally do, but getting that package replaces more than what they have currently.


Thoughts ?

09 Apr 2024 16:36:43
Absolutely no chance unless Stevey Y is looking for a package when he's fired.

09 Apr 2024 17:23:36
I don't see that remotely moving the needle for Yzerman. It also terrifies me to have Samsonov as your lone #1. Woll could arguably win the job.

09 Apr 2024 18:46:46
Take out woll add in Cowan and another 1st.

09 Apr 2024 19:26:39
Wings laugh their asses off.

09 Apr 2024 20:46:16
@Randy I still don't see it. It's so difficult coming by a player like Seider.

10 Apr 2024 01:47:46
Seriously?

10 Apr 2024 18:39:33
Leafs life, I agree but he at least answers the phone to that proposal I think.

11 Apr 2024 13:11:28
Answers the phone to mock Treliving.

06 Apr 2024 20:30:08
Sign:
Monahan: 2M
Bertuzzi: 6M
Domi: 4M
Edmundson: 2.75M
Lyubushkin: 2.5M
Samsonov: 4M

Playoff Lineup Next Year

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Marner
McMann-Tavares-Domi
Knies-Monahan-Nylander
Holmberg-Dewar-Reaves

Rielly-Borgen
Benoit-McCabe
Edmunson-Lyubushkin

Samsonov - Woll

Leaves about 30,333$ in Cap Space

Thoughts?
Suggestions?

06 Apr 2024 21:21:36
Sorry Forgot to add.
Sign:
Dewar to 1.2M
As well, Trade Jankrok, Kampf and Timmins for Borgen.

06 Apr 2024 22:05:29
Your valuation is garbage. Monahan at 55% Facebook wins and 63 points. Leafs didn't want to sign boosh at 2.75m why would they do 2.5.

Monahan does look like a good target, but the cost will be about 6+.

07 Apr 2024 00:52:00
#Hrenklin
He's only aming 1.985M this year.

07 Apr 2024 04:44:24
I would venture to say that there is not even one (out of 32) GMs in the league who would pay Monahan $6+M
His age and injury history make it far to big a risk.

$6M for Bertuzzi is much to rich for Leafs cap flexibility.
$5M should be the maximum and if another team wants to pay him more with term then thanks for the run and all the best!

Similarly Domi at $4M is overly generous for a player who has managed to score all of 9 goals this season.
$3 x 3 years is all I would want to see the Leafs commit to Domi.

Resigning both Lyubushkin and Edmundson is a luxury.
With Benoit stepping up his game Edmundson is probably gone.
Leafs need to spend money on their defense but they should be looking at a proper partner for Morgan Reilly, something Lyubushkin (a 3rd pairing defender) isn’t
Matt Roy, Sean Walker or Will Borgen fit the mold I would like to see for Leafs top pairing.

Samsonov’s return and salary will be determined by how he plays in the playoffs.
As of right now I view Samsonov as a $3.5 - $3.75 x 3 year goaltender.
A good showing in the playoffs pushes that up to $4M while an inconsistent showing moves the needle down.

07 Apr 2024 13:59:47
WB, your assessment mirrors mine.

07 Apr 2024 23:34:35
If you don't want to give a raise to Bertuzzi or Domi who has been promoted more than one time then they'll be leaving. Guaranteed no matter what you say, they will not accept their current contracts again.

08 Apr 2024 12:43:50
L_F

You may be correct that they will not accept less than they are currently making.

And they may still be looking for a team at the start of next season.

I personally would not pay a 40-45 point player who has played L1 or L2 most of the season $5m, let alone $6m.

And Domi is only worth more IMO than his current $3m if his goal total was perhaps 50% higher.

But you feel it’s more and that’s fine; it’s your assessment.

08 Apr 2024 13:40:11
I would say off of first look, I think you are under on Monahan and over on the rest as well. Although, without term length on the contracts its hard to tell who would except what.

08 Apr 2024 14:44:09
Neither Bertuzzi or Domi has done enough to deserve more money, especially Domi. The Lybushkin love fest should be over by now as he’s been bad. Edmundson hasn’t played enough yet to know.! I don’t trust Samsonov enough. Trade for Sarros or Markstrom. Re-sign Brodie for 4million over 2 years .

08 Apr 2024 22:44:38
Ckps1976

I was nodding my until I got to the last two sentences.

First the goalies you mention are certainly solid but who are you giving up?

And I don’t see any reason, at any salary, to resign Brodie. He’s been on a steady decline for the last two years, IMO.

09 Apr 2024 02:39:43
@Rsears you wouldn't keep Brodie for league min? I would.

09 Apr 2024 12:06:54
LL
Brodie had a good game last night.
At league minimum I suppose, as a 7thD.
But honestly I’d rather give someone a look-see at the minimum.
Maybe Tre can duplicate a Benoit-like move.

09 Apr 2024 23:48:02
Agree, If Tre can find a Benoit like player at league minimum, than I would WAY rather that than Brodie.